do autopsies count as

[wlee43]

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clinical experience, shadowing, or neither?

 

[rhesuspieces]

they count as AWESOME. I've always wanted to see an autopsy. Jealous!

you could probably call it shadowing if a doc is doing the autopsy. Clinical experience if you're helping.

 

[LizzyM]

as they say, "the pathologist knows everything.... but too late."

If you are observing autopsies, I'd say shadowing. If you are doing the cutting, weighing, etc under the direction of a pathologist, I'd suspect it is employment and I would give points* for good exposure to gross anatomy but no points for interaction with patients.

*I'm speaking of points metaphorically, not actually adding up points.

 

[MichaelC]

You have to have a superb bedside manner, though.

 

[rhesuspieces]

If you go by the rule in LizzyM's sig, an autopsy is DEFINITELY a clinical experience 😀

 

[Siggy]

You have to have a superb bedside manner, though.

 

[Siggy]

but no points for interaction with patients.

...and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[slowbutsteady]

totally clinical if you cut.

totally awesome shadowing if you watch.

but LizzyM is right (lolwut) that they still want to know that you have interacted in some way with live patients, to show that you can stand being around them.

 

[Suenya]

It will count as shadowing and experience. Not patient experience though.

 

[Sid Farkus]

...and may God have mercy on your soul.

YES!!!!!!!!!! 👍

 

[TropicalKitty]

For my experiences, I've put the autopsies I've viewed down as shadowing - since that's what you are doing.

But, I never know what to put the Body Farm down as...

Anyway, UAB's secondary even says that autopsy viewing is shadowing.

 

[Overmjnd]

I need to know how you got this job, and how I can too.

 

[BWSTW]

For my experiences, I've put the autopsies I've viewed down as shadowing - since that's what you are doing.

But, I never know what to put the Body Farm down as...

Anyway, UAB's secondary even says that autopsy viewing is shadowing.

so jealous!

 

[TropicalKitty]

If you go by the rule in LizzyM's sig, an autopsy is DEFINITELY a clinical experience 😀

This: I don't get. Really, it's not bad at all! The fresh ones are fine - the dissections I did in undergrad and high school smelled worse!

Now the kickers are the not so fresh... the only one that ever has gotten to me was one that was in a car trunk for a looong time.

And I also debated the clinical experience point in her signature...

BWSTW, yeah, the fun of being non-trad. 🙂

 

[BWSTW]

Are you an assistant or something? I wanted to do that, but they wouldn't work with my school schedule. boo

 

[TropicalKitty]

Since I'm applying this cycle I don't want to give away too much info about myself...if I haven't already. 😉

Anyway, my education and career put me in the places I needed to be to get the experiences.

 

[sustentacular]

For my experiences, I've put the autopsies I've viewed down as shadowing - since that's what you are doing.

But, I never know what to put the Body Farm down as...

Anyway, UAB's secondary even says that autopsy viewing is shadowing.

Haha, well I hope you put it down as forensic anthropology center.

 

[eablackwell]

The medical prep school I work at set up a cadaver dissection through medtronic last year. My students and I went there and opened up 3 human heads to look at the brain. We also were taught how to use various surgical instruments. My interviewers loved it. 👍

 

[searun]

This: I don't get. Really, it's not bad at all! The fresh ones are fine - the dissections I did in undergrad and high school smelled worse!

Now the kickers are the not so fresh... the only one that ever has gotten to me was one that was in a car trunk for a looong time.

And I also debated the clinical experience point in her signature...

BWSTW, yeah, the fun of being non-trad. 🙂

I am assuming that you were not dissecting human beings in high school. At least not at my high school. Frogs, sure, humans, unlikely.

 

[eablackwell]

I am assuming that you were not dissecting human beings in high school. At least not at my high school. Frogs, sure, humans, unlikely.

I know that this is in response to a different post, but my post directly above yours explains that my students (10th graders) actually were working with human heads last year. Granted, it is very rare (and a bit unusual), but it does happen.

 

[Badger MD]

I am assuming that you were not dissecting human beings in high school. At least not at my high school. Frogs, sure, humans, unlikely.

I know that this is in response to a different post, but my post directly above yours explains that my students (10th graders) actually were working with human heads last year. Granted, it is very rare (and a bit unusual), but it does happen.

I don't think you clarified in your original post they were high schoolers, so I don't think it explained much of anything 🙂

And in our high school we had human dissection, but that was because we were near a technical college and would go to their campus. I only know of two other schools in our state that have that though... We also received college credit (similar to AP credit) at some universities for the dissections.

 

[eablackwell]

I don't think you clarified in your original post they were high schoolers, so I don't think it explained much of anything 🙂

Sorry. Medical prep high school, not medical prep college. Clarified.

 

[JeffBridges]

So if I were to observe the autopsy and then the residents and attending let me cut the organs to prepare samples, it would count for both clinical and shadowing?

 

[OneTwoThreeFour]

So if I were to observe the autopsy and then the residents and attending let me cut the organs to prepare samples, it would count for both clinical and shadowing?

I don't believe it would count as clinical. The designation is typically reserved for experiences that involve patient interaction. The joke referenced in this thread is that LizzyM's signature has the phrase "If you are close enough to smell patients then it is a clinical experience," and you definitely smell the patient in an autopsy. This would count as shadowing and an interesting story to bring up in interviews.

 

[JeffBridges]

I don't believe it would count as clinical. The designation is typically reserved for experiences that involve patient interaction. The joke referenced in this thread is that LizzyM's signature has the phrase "If you are close enough to smell patients then it is a clinical experience," and you definitely smell the patient in an autopsy. This would count as shadowing and an interesting story to bring up in interviews.

Thanks, that's what I thought. I don't think it's really patient interaction if they're dead -.-