DO gpa's

[caduceus27]

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what do osteopathic schools want in terms of gpa's. i heard that they are lower than alleopathic schools.

 

[Sundarban1]

what do osteopathic schools want in terms of gpa's. i heard that they are lower than alleopathic schools.

Most accepted students around 3.4 range and 24+ MCAT. Minimum GPA for some schools is 2.7-3.0.

 

[OSUdoc08]

what do osteopathic schools want in terms of gpa's. i heard that they are lower than alleopathic schools.

It depends on the school. Some have an average of 3.2 and some have an average of 3.8.

Bottom line is that most have a minimum GPA cutoff of 2.75 and some of 3.0.

On the average, osteopathic schools are more forgiving on GPA than allopathic schools. Keep in mind, however, that several DO schools are more competitive than a number of MD schools.

 

[iamnotconfused]

It depends on the school. Some have an average of 3.2 and some have an average of 3.8.

Bottom line is that most have a minimum GPA cutoff of 2.75 and some of 3.0.

On the average, osteopathic schools are more forgiving on GPA than allopathic schools. Keep in mind, however, that several DO schools are more competitive than a number of MD schools.

Please can you give an example of the less competitive MD schools?

 

[OSUdoc08]

Please can you give an example of the less competitive MD schools?

No, but I can give you an example of the more competitive DO schools. There are DO schools that have higher average GPAs and MCATs than some MD schools.

 

[Jamers]

Please can you give an example of the less competitive MD schools?

Surely, I can:

Let's see,

Drexel University: 16.0% total acceptance rate, 3.44 GPA, 9.7 P average MCAT

East Carolina University (Brody) (NC): 13.2%, 3.6 GPA, 8.7 O MCAT

University of Vermont: 6.1%, 3.40 GPA, 9.2 Q MCAT

EAST TENNESSEE STATE: 11.1%, 3.51 GPA, 9.2 O MCAT

**there are more, this is from U.S. News and World report, while I don't aggree with their rankings, they do break down average MCAT/GPA very well.


the reason I say they are easier, let's compare to a few D.O. schools

Oklahoma State: 36.8%, 3.62 GPA, 8.7 O MCAT

Touro: 15.9%, 3.5 GPA, 8.7 O MCAT

** again, there are more.

 

[bravotwozero]

It depends on the school. Some have an average of 3.2 and some have an average of 3.8.

Which DO school has a cutoff of 3.8?

 

[Unknown3234]

Which DO school has a cutoff of 3.8?

He is talking about averages of those accepted, not cutoffs

 

[bravotwozero]

Ok, which DO school has an average entrance gpa of 3.8?

 

[scpod]

Surely, I can...East Carolina University (Brody) (NC): 13.2%, 3.6 GPA, 8.7 O MCAT...again, there are more.

Yet, numbers don't tell the whole story. East Carolina hasn't taken a student from any state other than North Carolina in the last 15 years.

 

[Jamers]

Ok, which DO school has an average entrance gpa of 3.8?

ooops read it wrong

 

[Jamers]

Yet, numbers don't tell the whole story. East Carolina hasn't taken a student from any state other than North Carolina in the last 15 years.

I know, but the best I can do without being an Admin is give averages. Trust me, I hate U.S. News, some people like to cite it as if it were the bible and I just use is a oversized coaster that very rarely comes in handy.

 

[OSUdoc08]

Ok, which DO school has an average entrance gpa of 3.8?

TCOM, MSU-COM, and OSU-COM all have remained above 3.6 over the past several years.

TCOM jumped up to 3.8 in 2004.

 

[Sundarban1]

Remember that DO schools let you repeat courses and the second grade essentially replaces the first whereas MD schools average the two. Also, DO schools calculate your GPA with your graduate schools grades included (if you have them), whereas MD schools do not.

 

[MoxieDO]

Remember that DO schools let you repeat courses and the second grade essentially replaces the first whereas MD schools average the two. Also, DO schools calculate your GPA with your graduate schools grades included (if you have them), whereas MD schools do not.

i think i have said this before, but i'll do it again. TCOM is in the Texas system and they only average in grades and do not replace them.

 

[vmgopal]

AZCOM's average is a 9 on each section (D.O) the same average as many MD schools.

I think there is an MD college called Mercer in Georgia and their average is 8.3

 

[Unknown3234]

i think i have said this before, but i'll do it again. TCOM is in the Texas system and they only average in grades and do not replace them.

Just so I understand TCOM is different than other DO schools. They average grades unlike the rest that replace grades? How do they get your previous grade for a course, you only enter R for the repeat and then the final grade in the application right? As you can tell I haven't applied yet. Are there any other DO schools that do this averaging?

 

[Mariel]

TCOM, MSU-COM, and OSU-COM all have remained above 3.6 over the past several years.

TCOM jumped up to 3.8 in 2004.

That's not true for TCOM. According to TCOM's website the average GPA of the entering class in 2004 was 3.54.. not 3.8.

 

[Ausmil]

Remember that DO schools let you repeat courses and the second grade essentially replaces the first whereas MD schools average the two. Also, DO schools calculate your GPA with your graduate schools grades included (if you have them), whereas MD schools do not.

I was unaware of this- MD school do not count graduate GPAs, And DO schools do? Did I understand this correctly?

 

[HunterGatherer]

Just so I understand TCOM is different than other DO schools. They average grades unlike the rest that replace grades? How do they get your previous grade for a course, you only enter R for the repeat and then the final grade in the application right? As you can tell I haven't applied yet. Are there any other DO schools that do this averaging?

You apply to TCOM through TMDSAS - Texas Medical and Dental Schools Application Service not AACOMAS so they have their own rules.

TMDSAS, is the Texas Medical and Dental Schools Application Service that processes the common application for those persons applying to all of the Texas Medical and Dental Schools, except for Baylor College of Medicine.

 

[MoxieDO]

You apply to TCOM through TMDSAS - Texas Medical and Dental Schools Application Service not AACOMAS so they have their own rules.

TMDSAS, is the Texas Medical and Dental Schools Application Service that processes the common application for those persons applying to all of the Texas Medical and Dental Schools, except for Baylor College of Medicine.

yeah, i am just realizing that. I did not do the amcas or AACOMAS. However, i do think that repeated classes should just be averaged in and not replaced...afterall, it was a repeated class. I dont believe it is fair for someone who made a B and got out the first time should be outranked by someone who repeated the class and made a B or an A.

 

[Unknown3234]

I don't believe they are in most cases. Do you think it is okay for someone to be penalized for a few mistakes? But the repeats are shown and if you have a number of them the admission folks will see that. So there are penalties. I think in the DO system is a much more fair system than averaging. A couple of Cs in the averaging system means you have a ton of work to make for them. It takes 3 As to bring a C to a 3.5.

 

[Oculus Sinistra]

yeah, i am just realizing that. I did not do the amcas or AACOMAS. However, i do think that repeated classes should just be averaged in and not replaced...afterall, it was a repeated class. I dont believe it is fair for someone who made a B and got out the first time should be outranked by someone who repeated the class and made a B or an A.

Why not? You got an A, they got an A
both people still had to earn the A regardless of when they took it.

AMCAS should replace the grades as well, but they don't.

 

[mkmgal]

Take these stats with a grain of salt because I'm a 4th year student at AZCOM, but our entering class' stats were: avg overall gpa: 3.5, sci gpa: 3.3, MCAT: 26, avg age: 26. Hope this helps.

 

[Sundarban1]

I was unaware of this- MD school do not count graduate GPAs, And DO schools do? Did I understand this correctly?

Yes, I contacted AACOM to confirm this. They calculate your GPA several ways once your application is submitted. One of the calculations does in fact include your graduate level courses.

 

[Raven Feather]

Just so I understand TCOM is different than other DO schools. They average grades unlike the rest that replace grades? How do they get your previous grade for a course, you only enter R for the repeat and then the final grade in the application right? As you can tell I haven't applied yet. Are there any other DO schools that do this averaging?

No. You enter your grade, then designate the R. They still see the grade you first received. These grades do not go away, they are still there--they just use the most recent grade attained to calculate your GPA.

 

[mjc48]

Surely, I can:

Let's see,

Drexel University: 16.0% total acceptance rate, 3.44 GPA, 9.7 P average MCAT

East Carolina University (Brody) (NC): 13.2%, 3.6 GPA, 8.7 O MCAT

University of Vermont: 6.1%, 3.40 GPA, 9.2 Q MCAT

EAST TENNESSEE STATE: 11.1%, 3.51 GPA, 9.2 O MCAT

**there are more, this is from U.S. News and World report, while I don't aggree with their rankings, they do break down average MCAT/GPA very well.


the reason I say they are easier, let's compare to a few D.O. schools

Oklahoma State: 36.8%, 3.62 GPA, 8.7 O MCAT

Touro: 15.9%, 3.5 GPA, 8.7 O MCAT

** again, there are more.

there is nothing in your numbers that says the MD programs are easier to get into than the DO ones. in the new rankings (w/revised statistics) you have even less support.

the only osteopathic school that i know of that consistently ranks above several MD programs is TCOM. i've also heard that the cali schools can difficult to get into.

 

[OSUdoc08]

there is nothing in your numbers that says the MD programs are easier to get into than the DO ones. in the new rankings (w/revised statistics) you have even less support.

the only osteopathic school that i know of that consistently ranks above several MD programs is TCOM. i've also heard that the cali schools can difficult to get into.

I'm not sure what rankings have to do with being "easy to get into" a school.

It is possible to get accepted to some MD schools and rejected from some DO schools in the application cycle.

 

[mjc48]

I'm not sure what rankings have to do with being "easy to get into" a school.

It is possible to get accepted to some MD schools and rejected from some DO schools in the application cycle.

the rankings i was referring to were those in the usnews hardest and easiest list.

i'm not saying you couldn't conceivably get into MD schools and be rejected by DO ones in the same cycle. i just think that claiming there are a significant number of allopathic schools that are statistically easier than DO schools is an unresponsible statement. the examples given use out of date statistics and there is no actual conversion between MCAT and GPA that could allow for an absolute scale.

 

[OSUdoc08]

the rankings i was referring to were those in the usnews hardest and easiest list.

i'm not saying you couldn't conceivably get into MD schools and be rejected by DO ones in the same cycle. i just think that claiming there are a significant number of allopathic schools that are statistically easier than DO schools is an unresponsible statement. the examples given use out of date statistics and there is no actual conversion between MCAT and GPA that could allow for an absolute scale.

For the entering class of 2004, TCOM had a higher average GPA and MCAT than several MD schools.

Several other DO schools have had stats above as well. Examples include OSU-COM and MSU-COM.

Is 2004 too out of date for you?

What conversion are you talking about?

 

[Jamers]

there is nothing in your numbers that says the MD programs are easier to get into than the DO ones. in the new rankings (w/revised statistics) you have even less support.

the only osteopathic school that i know of that consistently ranks above several MD programs is TCOM. i've also heard that the cali schools can difficult to get into.

And would you like me to spend several hours listing all of the high D.O. programs and low M.D. programs or would you rather that I left it at a few? As I said, at the end of my post, *THERE ARE MORE*. I just don't feel like listing them all. I picked from the low end of the "hardest/easiest list". Sorry, but I don't have the time to list 50 schools nor the money to subscribe, I leave that to you if you so desire.

 

[mjc48]

For the entering class of 2004, TCOM had a higher average GPA and MCAT than several MD schools.

Several other DO schools have had stats above as well.

Is 2004 too out of date for you?

What conversion are you talking about?

for fall 2005, the only DO granting school to rank higher than what you guys qualify as the easiest allopathic schools on the hardest to easiest list was TCOM, which beat out florida state, east carolina, mercer and morehouse.

if you have an actual example of these "several other schools" please cite it.

I was referring to a conversion for GPA to mcat values, as each of the allopathic schools listed in the post i originally quoted had a higher average mcat despite a lower average gpa.

 

[OSUdoc08]

for fall 2005, the only DO granting school to rank higher than what you guys qualify as the easiest allopathic schools on the hardest to easiest list was TCOM, which beat out florida state, east carolina, mercer and morehouse.

if you have an actual example of these "several other schools" please cite it.

I was referring to a conversion for GPA to mcat values, as each of the allopathic schools listed in the post i originally quoted had a higher average mcat despite a lower average gpa.

I'm not sure why you keep referring to this "hardest to easiest list."

You are taking this thread out of context. We are discussing the average accepted GPA's and MCAT's of DO schools and MD schools.

You seem to be equating this with the difficulty of admission.

What you must realize is that DO schools emphasize GPA and MCAT less, and medical experience, recommendations, motivation, and personality into the admission process.

As a result, you cannot directly correllate the average GPA and MCAT with the chance of admission.

 

[Taus]

seriously people.....who cares....find something better to do w/ your time....

 

[OSUdoc08]

seriously people.....who cares....find something better to do w/ your time....

Can you please cite some examples.

Thanks.

P.S. You're on this thread too. 😉

P.S.S. I'm on this while I am simultaneously eating lunch, doing the dishes, doing the laundry, and getting ready to head out to the riverwalk to study.

 

[Jamers]

for fall 2005, the only DO granting school to rank higher than what you guys qualify as the easiest allopathic schools on the hardest to easiest list was TCOM, which beat out florida state, east carolina, mercer and morehouse.

if you have an actual example of these "several other schools" please cite it.

I was referring to a conversion for GPA to mcat values, as each of the allopathic schools listed in the post i originally quoted had a higher average mcat despite a lower average gpa.

Actually, it changes every year. All I can give is the data the book I have, published in 2004, has. And, actually, in that year, UMDNJ beat out Write State (OH), TOURO also beat it out and OSU was listed as a harder school than University of Vermont to get into. Like I said, however, it changes every year; GPA' switch, MCATs fall. In addition, it also leans heavily on what you consider is harder to get into. You say my numbers listed before "prove nothing" but, according to the formula used by U.S. News, they do. If you would like to hear that M.D. schools are harder to get into to ease your mind then, let me say it for you. The MAJORITY of M.D. schools are harder to get into. There you go.

 

[mjc48]

Actually, it changes every year. All I can give is the data the book I have, published in 2004, has. And, actually, in that year, UMDNJ beat out Write State (OH), TOURO also beat it out and OSU was listed as a harder school than University of Vermont to get into. Like I said, however, it changes every year; GPA' switch, MCATs fall. In addition, it also leans heavily on what you consider is harder to get into. You say my numbers listed before "prove nothing" but, according to the formula used by U.S. News, they do. If you would like to hear that M.D. schools are harder to get into to ease your mind then, let me say it for you. The MAJORITY of M.D. schools are harder to get into. There you go.

actually, i don't need you to say anything. if you read my post, i'm not advocating md superiority in some imaginary class struggle. i could care less. i just said it's a not responsible to represent the opinion that entrance into a top ranked DO program is statistically harder or for that matter easier than entrance into a less selective MD.

and, like i said before, out of date us news numbers prove nothing.

 

[Taus]

P.S. You're on this thread too. 😉

good call.....on that note I'm out....btw I was mainly talking about the people scurrying to dig up stats to prove a point that means absolutely nothing (not just the ones who hang around here for way too much time....a category that I definitely fit into)....

 

[OSUdoc08]

Actually, it changes every year. All I can give is the data the book I have, published in 2004, has. And, actually, in that year, UMDNJ beat out Write State (OH), TOURO also beat it out and OSU was listed as a harder school than University of Vermont to get into. Like I said, however, it changes every year; GPA' switch, MCATs fall. In addition, it also leans heavily on what you consider is harder to get into. You say my numbers listed before "prove nothing" but, according to the formula used by U.S. News, they do. If you would like to hear that M.D. schools are harder to get into to ease your mind then, let me say it for you. The MAJORITY of M.D. schools are harder to get into. There you go.

👍 👍 👍

 

[Jamers]

Can you please cite some examples.

Thanks.

P.S. You're on this thread too. 😉

P.S.S. I'm on this while I am simultaneously eating lunch, doing the dishes, doing the laundry, and getting ready to head out to the riverwalk to study.

What happened to the bar?

 

[OSUdoc08]

actually, i don't need you to say anything. if you read my post, i'm not advocating md superiority in some imaginary class struggle. i could care less. i just said it's a not responsible to represent the opinion that entrance into a top ranked DO program is statistically harder or for that matter easier than entrance into a less selective MD.

and, like i said before, out of date us news numbers prove nothing.

It has been proven that it is in fact possible and is in fact a reality, so:

 

[Jamers]

good call.....on that note I'm out....btw I was mainly talking about the people scurrying to dig up stats to prove a point that means absolutely nothing (not just the ones who hang around here for way too much time....a category that I definitely fit into)....

Scurry ahah. What, am I a rat now? Actually, I was bored and the book was sitting here. My intention a page ago was to help out someone who asked a question. Then it got turned into a whole debate. This is what happens when I use the evil book!!! EVIL

 

[OSUdoc08]

What happened to the bar?

I only go to bars when there are sporting events on. During the day on weekdays it is too nice outside to sit in a bar and inhale polycyclic hydrocarbons.

 

[Jamers]

It has been proven that it is in fact possible and is in fact a reality, so please:

Yeah, I never understood why things like this get turned into a M.D. vs D.O. topic. People need to stop getting their panties in a bunch go to the bar and have a drink with OSUdoc...I mean..****...

 

[Jamers]

I only go to bars when there are sporting events on. During the day on weekdays it is too nice outside to sit in a bar and inhale polycyclic hydrocarbons.

Come on! Go the bar at 5 on a Monday

 

[Taus]

Scurry ahah. What, am I a rat now? Actually, I was bored and the book was sitting here. My intention a page ago was to help out someone who asked a question. Then it got turned into a whole debate. This is what happens when I use the evil book!!! EVIL

ha...don't worry....I've been guilty of the exact same thing on several occasions.....this one just seemed especially pointless....though I know you and I agree on that....

 

[OSUdoc08]

Come on! Go the bar at 5 on a Monday

Nah, the Mavericks game isn't on 'til later tonight. I'll make it out then.

 

[scpod]

If you would like to hear that M.D. schools are harder to get into to ease your mind then, let me say it for you. The MAJORITY of M.D. schools are harder to get into. There you go.

I guess I would agree with this too (even though I rarely agree with OSUdoc 🙂 ), but I have to emphasize the point that GPA and MCAT are still not the only things that make a school hard to get into. In fact, one of my hobbies is readings posts from those people who have great GPAs and MCATs, but are trying to determine which other factor kept them out. Was it poor ECs, or LORs, etc.? I never hear them ask, "Was it because I'm a total loser and have no personality?" Why do you think that is, Jamers?