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what's bcpm? you need a 28 or better for SGU don't know about others, but probably less or about the same.
i meant science gpa
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if you get a 28 or higher on the mcat you'll have a good shot at any carib school.
what about with a good Mcat and Science gpa but a bad overall gpa?
for the carrib you should be fine. but how can you have a good science gpa and a poor overall gpa? non science classes are so much easier it just sounds weird to have that.
well I have a bachelors in business that I did horrible in. I am now about to graduate this semester with some good grades and am thinking of going to another cheaper college and doing really really well in my sciences now that I have my **** together.
I was also considering going to SGU Pre Med since thats where I wanna go for med school.
I know non science classes are easier but I failed accounting and some other nonscense when I was younger, I could always retake those older classes but I dont want to pay private school prices to do it and waste time if I dont have to.
I was also considering going to SGU Pre Med since thats where I wanna go for med school.
I know non science classes are easier but I failed accounting and some other nonscense when I was younger, I could always retake those older classes but I dont want to pay private school prices to do it and waste time if I dont have to.
going to a community college to take science classes might not be a good idea. those classes are known to be easier and taught by poorer profs then at a big university. also medical schools are less impressed if you completed all your pre-reqs at community colleges. if you ultimately want to go to sgu then go to their premed program.
well I was going to go to brooklyn college which I dont think is community, not sure what makes a school community thou. Its known for being a good school.
thanks for the advice, I will have to see what info I can find out about the premed program. Will all the extra science classes that they have in the premed program be beneficial at all when in med school.
If I was going to spend all that time in the PreMed should I instead spend that time taking the sciences and brining up my gpa and trying to get into a DO school.
is it possible to bring up my gpa once I already have my bachelors. thanks
thanks for the advice, I will have to see what info I can find out about the premed program. Will all the extra science classes that they have in the premed program be beneficial at all when in med school.
If I was going to spend all that time in the PreMed should I instead spend that time taking the sciences and brining up my gpa and trying to get into a DO school.
is it possible to bring up my gpa once I already have my bachelors. thanks
community colleges are county colleges. here's an example http://www.ccm.edu/
DO is a much better choice than a carib MD so if that's what you want stay in the states and apply to DO schools.
If you don't want to be a DO and plan on going to sgu do whatever is faster, either completing the science classes in the states or doing them at sgu. that's what i would do.
DO is a much better choice than a carib MD so if that's what you want stay in the states and apply to DO schools.
If you don't want to be a DO and plan on going to sgu do whatever is faster, either completing the science classes in the states or doing them at sgu. that's what i would do.
Well I checked it out and Brooklyn college is supposed to be one of the better colleges in NYC.
I guess I am leaning towards just doing the Pre reqs at home and then writing the MCAT. Assuming I do very well on all the Pre Reqs and well on the MCAT will SGU disregard the just passing undergrad that I have.
I have a non science undergrad assuming that I do well in the science reqs and well on the mcat, would my undergrad hold me back from DO all DO schools thanks
I guess I am leaning towards just doing the Pre reqs at home and then writing the MCAT. Assuming I do very well on all the Pre Reqs and well on the MCAT will SGU disregard the just passing undergrad that I have.
I have a non science undergrad assuming that I do well in the science reqs and well on the mcat, would my undergrad hold me back from DO all DO schools thanks
Sorry can't answer your questions because I am not on the admission board. I think both SGU and DO schools look at all your grades. they won't disregard anything. SGU requires at least an undergrad degree to gain acceptance and so they will definetly see all your undergrad grades. how much weight will they have? that question can only be answered by someone on the admission board and no one on this forum is on the admission board.
Internal med doc here.
Also not on admissions committee, but I practice @ an academic med center, recently finished residency 1.5 years ago.
I googled Brooklyn College and it's a 4 year school, part of the City University of New York. It should be OK to take premed stuff there, but I would check out
a) how many prehealth professions students do they have there (i.e. nursing/preMD or DO/physical therapy. If they have quite a few then they probably have OK biology and other premed type courses.
b) how many premeds do they have, and what is the acceptance rate of their premeds into med school?
c) Do they have science classes specifically designed for premeds (and if not, make sure that you take the "right" biology and other courses...it would be the same ones a chemistry or biology major takes - my undergrad didn't have a premed major or specific premed courses, but we just took the 100-level physics and chem, etc. that the physics and chem majors took). Make sure they don't stick you in any of the science courses for English majors, nursing students or other classes that don't quite fit with what you need.
I don't see a reason to do premed at SGU, unless you are 100% sure that is where you want to go to med school. I'd advice staying where you are, keep your New York residency, and try to get in New York schools (DO and your MD state schools) in 1-2 years after taking your required science courses. MD would be impossible with your current GPA, but if you ace your science classes you might have a shot, and would definitely I think have a shot at some DO schools if your MCAT Is decent (say high 20's). For MD schools would think you'd need MCAT well in the 30's, and even then your GPA might screw you. You also should volunteer in a hospital or doc's office, to make sure this is really what you want to do with your life...that's very very important at this stage.
Also not on admissions committee, but I practice @ an academic med center, recently finished residency 1.5 years ago.
I googled Brooklyn College and it's a 4 year school, part of the City University of New York. It should be OK to take premed stuff there, but I would check out
a) how many prehealth professions students do they have there (i.e. nursing/preMD or DO/physical therapy. If they have quite a few then they probably have OK biology and other premed type courses.
b) how many premeds do they have, and what is the acceptance rate of their premeds into med school?
c) Do they have science classes specifically designed for premeds (and if not, make sure that you take the "right" biology and other courses...it would be the same ones a chemistry or biology major takes - my undergrad didn't have a premed major or specific premed courses, but we just took the 100-level physics and chem, etc. that the physics and chem majors took). Make sure they don't stick you in any of the science courses for English majors, nursing students or other classes that don't quite fit with what you need.
I don't see a reason to do premed at SGU, unless you are 100% sure that is where you want to go to med school. I'd advice staying where you are, keep your New York residency, and try to get in New York schools (DO and your MD state schools) in 1-2 years after taking your required science courses. MD would be impossible with your current GPA, but if you ace your science classes you might have a shot, and would definitely I think have a shot at some DO schools if your MCAT Is decent (say high 20's). For MD schools would think you'd need MCAT well in the 30's, and even then your GPA might screw you. You also should volunteer in a hospital or doc's office, to make sure this is really what you want to do with your life...that's very very important at this stage.
thanks for the help. Brooklyn college has a BA MD program when the premed is completed you go to suny downstate. I obviously could not get into it but It says something about the pre med.
dragonfly I was wondering why you associated DO with physical therapy, I know they have an OMM backround but am curious if thats usually the way they are associated.
I am also curious why you say 1-2 years after finishing my science reqs. If I would have to wait that long It makes me think maybe it would be best for me to go to SGU or a carrib school.
I guess I need to think about if I want to work at a american DO or SGU MD.
dragonfly I was wondering why you associated DO with physical therapy, I know they have an OMM backround but am curious if thats usually the way they are associated.
I am also curious why you say 1-2 years after finishing my science reqs. If I would have to wait that long It makes me think maybe it would be best for me to go to SGU or a carrib school.
I guess I need to think about if I want to work at a american DO or SGU MD.
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I'll let dragonfly answer it for himself but... I'll take a stab.
Historically, that's how osteopathic medicine started out (which is why it contains the "osteo"). It was originally a discipline centered around healing through physical manipulation. But allopathic and osteopathic have blended since then. I'm not sure how closely DO is linked to PT these days.
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I didn't mean to link DO to PT. I can't find where I said/wrote that.
I think you misunderstood my saying 1-2 years until you finish your classes (and apply) to mean saying wait 1-2 years AFTER taking them all and then apply. It will probably take you a couple of years to take all those classes you need and raise your GPA (or at least 1+ years, I would think).
I think going to the Caribbean because you are in a big hurry to just "start something" would be a huge mistake. I can say that because it's something I almost did...it's much better to wait it out 1-2 years and then apply up here. Going to "premed" at SGU means nothing...it's no different than taking good, solid premed classes up here in the USA. In fact, it's better to stay up here because then your premed classes would be worth something if you decided to change course later...if you take them at SGU then nobody in the US will think they are worth anything. They might help you get into SGU, but wouldn't help you get into a US school IMHO. Premed courses at a US university would count for a Carib school, a US DO school, or a US MD school application.
Part of the reason med schools have all these admissions requirements is that they want the students to be ready and able to do med school work. If somebody can't get through premed courses like organic chem and get A's and B's, they will likely struggle with the med school course work, and/or not be able to pass in med school. So bailing for the Caribbean just because you don't want to wait or because you think it's an easier path is a bad plan, in my opinion. At least you need to show yourself (and others) that you can do the premed course work for a couple of semesters, and then if all goes well then plan your next move.
I think you misunderstood my saying 1-2 years until you finish your classes (and apply) to mean saying wait 1-2 years AFTER taking them all and then apply. It will probably take you a couple of years to take all those classes you need and raise your GPA (or at least 1+ years, I would think).
I think going to the Caribbean because you are in a big hurry to just "start something" would be a huge mistake. I can say that because it's something I almost did...it's much better to wait it out 1-2 years and then apply up here. Going to "premed" at SGU means nothing...it's no different than taking good, solid premed classes up here in the USA. In fact, it's better to stay up here because then your premed classes would be worth something if you decided to change course later...if you take them at SGU then nobody in the US will think they are worth anything. They might help you get into SGU, but wouldn't help you get into a US school IMHO. Premed courses at a US university would count for a Carib school, a US DO school, or a US MD school application.
Part of the reason med schools have all these admissions requirements is that they want the students to be ready and able to do med school work. If somebody can't get through premed courses like organic chem and get A's and B's, they will likely struggle with the med school course work, and/or not be able to pass in med school. So bailing for the Caribbean just because you don't want to wait or because you think it's an easier path is a bad plan, in my opinion. At least you need to show yourself (and others) that you can do the premed course work for a couple of semesters, and then if all goes well then plan your next move.
I agree 100% with Dragonfly. Listen to what he/she has to say. this is your future you're talking about, don't be in a rush because it might bite you in the butt later on. Staying in the US for medical school should be your #1 choice right now, only after you've exhausted all your chances of going to a US school then, and only then should you think about going to the carib.
Thanks for the advice, I agree. I guess I have to start researching what classes to take.
I was just came across this program http://www.hunter.cuny.edu/studentservices/prehealth/postba
I actually dont think I even have the grades to get in it but Im hoping they would let me in after a semester of good grades.
I was just came across this program http://www.hunter.cuny.edu/studentservices/prehealth/postba
I actually dont think I even have the grades to get in it but Im hoping they would let me in after a semester of good grades.
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bornagainstudent,
that Hunter College program looks pretty good...I also have heard of this college, and I have never lived in NYC, so it's pretty well known. Depending on the cost and how long it will take you to get done, it sounds like it would be a good option. Those linkages they have with various med schools and the "letter of recommendation from the prehealth professions committee" also sound extremely helpful.
that Hunter College program looks pretty good...I also have heard of this college, and I have never lived in NYC, so it's pretty well known. Depending on the cost and how long it will take you to get done, it sounds like it would be a good option. Those linkages they have with various med schools and the "letter of recommendation from the prehealth professions committee" also sound extremely helpful.
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