DO in Australia

[amr786]

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Two questions:

1. For someone right out of DO school from the US, what are the chances of getting a residency somewhere in Australia?

2. For someone who has a DO degree from the US and has done his residency here, as well as a few years of practice, what are the chances of getting a job in an Australian hospital?

Also, what would be the procedure/protocol/etc. for each of these?

Thank you!

 

[MossPoh]

The practice rights vary by each region in Australia for one thing, but aside from that it is difficult whether you are an MD or a DO. Regardless of the degree, you'll probably end up somewhere in the outback where they need doctors if you manage to jump through all the hoops.

 

[235750]

Two questions:

1. For someone right out of DO school from the US, what are the chances of getting a residency somewhere in Australia?

2. For someone who has a DO degree from the US and has done his residency here, as well as a few years of practice, what are the chances of getting a job in an Australian hospital?

Also, what would be the procedure/protocol/etc. for each of these?

Thank you!

I remember reading on the AOA website that only one DO had ever been granted a license, and he was there to help develop an emergency medical program at a hospital there. So, I doubt you will have much luck either landing a residency or even getting permission to practice in the outback any time soon, sorry

 

[JaggerPlate]

Two questions:

1. For someone right out of DO school from the US, what are the chances of getting a residency somewhere in Australia?

2. For someone who has a DO degree from the US and has done his residency here, as well as a few years of practice, what are the chances of getting a job in an Australian hospital?

Also, what would be the procedure/protocol/etc. for each of these?

Thank you!

Why don't you go to med school in Australia?? They have fantastic programs that are designed to train physicians to practice in Australia.

 

[danzman]

I was under the impression that is was SUPER hard to get into Australian schools and that they almost never let anyone in from abroad. Also, that it is very hard for AMGs to get licensed there. I have heard good things about people going to New Zealand however..

 

[Old_Mil]

Why don't you go to med school in Australia?? They have fantastic programs that are designed to train physicians to practice in Australia.

Knowing what I know now, I would have done precisely that.

 

[Jamers]

Two questions:

1. For someone right out of DO school from the US, what are the chances of getting a residency somewhere in Australia?

2. For someone who has a DO degree from the US and has done his residency here, as well as a few years of practice, what are the chances of getting a job in an Australian hospital?

Also, what would be the procedure/protocol/etc. for each of these?

Thank you!

The Australians I know think that DOs are chiropractors so...I don't think your chances are that good.

 

[Jamers]

I was under the impression that is was SUPER hard to get into Australian schools and that they almost never let anyone in from abroad. Also, that it is very hard for AMGs to get licensed there. I have heard good things about people going to New Zealand however..

True. The last time I was there was to do research at the University of New South Wales and I had to jump through ropes to attend a school there (Arcadia). I actually had to drive three hours away from my home to obtain a CXR for TB; no, I never had TB. Then I had to wait three weeks while this CXR was approved by a physician over there before I could be given permission to go over. On top of all that, they gave me a shortened Visa. I still would go back in a heart beat but I think the OP is going to have A LOT of problems.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Knowing what I know now, I would have done precisely that.

Really?? I looked into it a little bit, and seems like you're still a FMG when it comes to residency, that you need to do the majority of your clinicals in Australia to practice in states like CA and TX, and that you're pretty much on your own for board (USMLE) studying. Seems like DO is still a better option to practice in the states.

 

[niranjan162]

I was under the impression that is was SUPER hard to get into Australian schools and that they almost never let anyone in from abroad. Also, that it is very hard for AMGs to get licensed there. I have heard good things about people going to New Zealand however..

They actually like having foreign students in their medschools because they pay full price for the schooling. Its just that there arent that many spots at each school for non AU students. Its actually easier for foreign students to get into an austrailian med schools (in terms of stats needed).

 

[danzman]

They actually like having foreign students in their medschools because they pay full price for the schooling. Its just that there arent that many spots at each school for non AU students. Its actually easier for foreign students to get into an austrailian med schools (in terms of stats needed).

No kidding?? I thought it never happened... That is interesting, I wonder how many would do it? It can't be that much more expensive than here. Do they have a student loan system of some kind or would you have to pay for it out of pocket?

 

[Old_Mil]

Really?? I looked into it a little bit, and seems like you're still a FMG when it comes to residency, that you need to do the majority of your clinicals in Australia to practice in states like CA and TX, and that you're pretty much on your own for board (USMLE) studying. Seems like DO is still a better option to practice in the states.

Knowing what I know now - including the results of the last election - I wouldn't have made plans to practice here.

Over the next four years our health care system is going to go from one with some problems to an absolute disaster.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Knowing what I know now - including the results of the last election - I wouldn't have made plans to practice here.

Over the next four years our health care system is going to go from one with some problems to an absolute disaster.

Ahh gotcha.

 

[Raygun77]

No kidding?? I thought it never happened... That is interesting, I wonder how many would do it? It can't be that much more expensive than here. Do they have a student loan system of some kind or would you have to pay for it out of pocket?

Maybe I could be useful here; I'm doing med at the university of melbourne, and I can say for sure that there are a few american/canadian international students in my cohort- I know maybe 4-5 personally?

The new university of melbourne degree (first intake jan 2011) will award graduates the title MD- i'm in the old batch, thus receiving an MBBS. I'm pretty sure the title change is simply to better attract north american students, so I'd guess any American students would be more than welcome!

Tuiton fees for international students vary from about $30000AUD in the first couple of years to approaching 45k in the last few (4 year course). This is subject to change of course- just a rough guestimate. In comparison local students pay about $3.8k a semester, due to government sponsorship. There is a FEE-HELP program that will automatically deduct money from your salary when you begin to earn- from what i understand the loan is near interest-less. I believe this is the repayment schedule for FEE-HELP (and HECS-HELP, the program for local students)
http://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/c.../046/002/013&mnu=42957&mfp=001/002&st=tp&cy=1


For more info on the uniMelb medcourse, check here:
http://www.medicine.unimelb.edu.au/future/md.html

 

[Raygun77]

Here's a bit of relevant info from that website:
International students

Applications from international students are welcomed. International applicants may take either GAMSAT or MCAT. All other requirements are the same as for Australian citizens, except that international applicants may apply either via the GMAC Online Admission System or direct to International Admissions at the University of Melbourne.
Closing dates and all other requirements for international applicants applying via our International Admissions will be the same as for those applying via ACER. For specific closing and interview dates for international applicants please refer to our timeline for 2011 admission.
For 2011 entry, acceptable GAMSAT dates are 2009 and 2010. Acceptable MCAT dates are from July 2008 to June 2010. Please also refer to the GAMSAT website and the MCAT website
For more information please refer to the Admission Guide 2011 which will be available from the GAMSAT website from May 2010.
Please check this page for more information as it becomes available.






Anyway, I'd imagine other aussie unis offering postgrad med would be similar in their requirements- do your research and I'm sure you'll find plenty of opportunities to study here!

 

[danzman]

Thanks Raygun. Do these people you know want to come back to America, or are they planning on staying in Australia?

 

[Raygun77]

Thanks Raygun. Do these people you know want to come back to America, or are they planning on staying in Australia?

I'll ask those I see on monday. One big concern for a lot of international students here is a so called 'medical student tsunami' we're experiencing (you can probably google 'australia medical student tsunami'). Pretty much Australia has big shortages in doctors, particularly primary care in rural areas, and so many new medical schools have recently been established. Thus from 2011 to 2012 (ie in one year) med school graduates here are expected to double nationally- which is great to ease the shortages, but of course training positions are the bottleneck.

An international student graduating from medicine this year would have no problem finding an internship place at a hospital in Australia, but that will be very different in 2012 and beyond- currently the Australian government is only guaranteeing internship spots for local CSP (commonwealth supported, ie the vast majority of local) students, and a lot of work is going into converting public hospitals previously not affiliated with med students/interns into teaching hospitals.
How this'll pan out no one knows, but a lot of international students are concerned they'll have to return to their country of origin for lack of internship here. What i'd think would happen is that primary care specialities will push for more fellowship training spots, thus making more specialised areas more competitive proportionately. Time will tell.