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I believe the schools offering D.O./M.B.A. joint programs are PCOM, NYCOM, OUCOM, OSUCOM, UMDNJ, and KCUMB. Maybe more?
Applications are typically done following acceptance and/or during your first year and usually add at least 1 year to the education process. If you are interested in one particular school your best bet is to call them up. I can't speak for every school but the one's I contacted were very receptive to any of my concerns.
D.O./M.B.A. at PCOM
D.O./M.B.A. at NYCOM
D.O./M.B.A. at OSUCOM
D.O./M.B.A. at OUCOM - Can't find anything specific on this one.
D.O./M.B.A. at UMDNJ
D.O./M.B.A. at KCUMB
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Check out KCUMB. Their DO/MBA program works so you complete your biz classes separate from med classes but still finish everything in 4 years.
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I hope I don't discourage you from getting your MBA. But an MBA from a DO school (or affiliated "university") will likely do you more harm than good. I'm more than happy to expound on this if more are interested, but I'll just leave it at that for now. I'm really not sure what the level of understanding is here.
I know at OSU-COM you simply check on the secondary application if you are interested in it or not. After you interview, you will either be rejected, accepted into the normal DO program, or waitlisted. When it comes time to start picking people for the dual degree programs (in late April), they ask those who were put on the waitlist (who also checked on their secondary that they were interested in the degree) to write letters of interest. They then pick a small amount of people out of those who wrote the letters. I think this year there were 4 DO/MBA and 5 DO/MS students picked. The DO/MBA students will do their first year at the OSU campus in Stillwater, OK.
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As long as business classes don't detract from your medical studies, this is an absurd statement. It's true that an MBA is usually worth as much as the school you get it from, but if you wanted one just to learn how to manage your own practice, or felt that taking a few business classes elsewhere wasn't sufficient business knowledge, there is nothing wrong with having an MBA from a university that isn't necessarily known for its MBA program. I just don't see how it could ever 'hurt.'
Prestige can work against an applicant. I beat out a guy with an IVY league MBA. Later when I asked my boss how that happened. He said, the guy came across like he was better than us and was too intimidating. My reply, "So you think I am not intimidating then? Or, not better than you? he smiled and shook his head and walked off. hehehe
However, an IVY league MBA can also work for you. If you want to work for lets say, Pepsi Bottling Group who is "known" for taking its HR MBA'rs from Cornell University. Then you have a stellar chance, against a schmooo who got his from Portland State...Capice?
As far as helping you or hurting you with the moniker of D.O. MBA, that is on the person. I am a firm believer that if you go for the MBA you can make it as amazing as you want, or as crappy as you want. YOUR goal should be to come out of it understanding fiscal responsibilities, understand how to meet the shareholders and stakeholders wants and desires. How decision making adversely or advantageously affects your business. Understand how to hire the right kind of people and how to train them to complete the billing tasks so that you are maximizing your profits. You also should walk away knowing what if any influences are on your market as a physiciam or specialist. Strategic Implementation and Alignment of your business and catering to stakeholders to maximize the profits of the shareholder (YOU). All of those are just dandy subjects to master but they pale in comparison to understanding the basic foundations of legal, finance and accounting.
There was once an amazing BasketBALL player in the NBA by the name of Kareem Abdul Jabar? He made millions, but because he allowed someone else to take care of and or understand the intricaces of his finances(his accountant). He retired one year to live the life of Riley. Only to find out that his accountant took all of his hard earned money and didnt leave him with enough money to buy toothpaste. MAN, that sucks. He had to come out of retirement just to pay his bills.
Another story came across these boards once about a doctor that was run out of his own business. I have no idea what the ins and outs of that fiasco was, but I suspect had that doc been above par on his finance, accounting and legal foundation. He wouldn't be sitting there without a practice. However, it is very hard to be an expert in Business and Medicine at the same time.
I wrote all that to say this, I DONT CARE WHERE YOU GET AN MBA FROM...JUST STUDY YOU A@@ OFF AND LEARN SOMETHING. ITS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BE THE BEST. If you are really worried about the DO/MBA thing and that it will equal poor quality...I say, GET A FREAKIN LIFE. You make what you want out of life. Life does not make you! Your university doesn't make you a great student, YOU make YOU a great student! The tools are all out there. YOU just need to learn how to use them. DOs are being taught as much if not more than MDs when it comes to treating people. We are becoming physicians and it is our right to choose to become a DO rather than an MD, and it is our duty to be ever vigilant in becoming the best at what we do. Like the saying goes...D.O.s do it better... that goes for every aspect in life.
Give me an AMEN! 🙂
PS the narcotics from my surgery are apparently wearing off. YIPPEE!
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thanks for all the feedback.
now does anyone know if you are applying for the dual degree in DO/MBA - Will they probably take someone who was a business major in college versus a science major? Or a couple business courses are fine? Or maybe even anyone can apply?
Now that I wrote it out, It makes sense that they would want those that come straight out of business school or have completed all the prereques of an MBA...
but maybe im wrong in making that assumption..?
now does anyone know if you are applying for the dual degree in DO/MBA - Will they probably take someone who was a business major in college versus a science major? Or a couple business courses are fine? Or maybe even anyone can apply?
Now that I wrote it out, It makes sense that they would want those that come straight out of business school or have completed all the prereques of an MBA...
but maybe im wrong in making that assumption..?
I don't think they favor one applicant over another based on their undergrad major. I know it can be fairly competitive, but I think they make their choice based largely on the personal statement that comes with the application (to the dual degree program, not the school itself).
You'll get some good answers here from other people but this question may be better suited in the Osteopathic Forum where more medical students who are participating in the dual degree can answer.
Here is a thread in SDN that has a lot on this subject.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/forumdisplay.php?f=108
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/forumdisplay.php?f=108
You might also call the graduate office of the school and ask about the background of the students admitted into the dual degree programs (what is needed to be considered competitive). They should have a pretty good idea since there are usually a very small number of students admitted.
