Eeek, sorry so long. Nice chatting with you, though.
😀 Goodnight
Your other question: if it's true that whites are given preference over Asians, I would feel the same way.
It is true (though I don't know whether or not it is a "preference") they have higher acceptance rates with lower stats per the graph... which was your criteria
However the differences are much smaller (as you can see from that graph).
The % is smaller but the numbers are not... so there are many more whites to get the frustrations out on than blacks. *get your punching bags out*
If something is wrong on principle, then it should be wrong no matter the degree. I mean, am I wrong?
If ethnicity is not considered (e.g. blind) then the only thing left is the other aspects of the application, which I am fine with. Yes there's an element of chance but that can go either way, whereas being Asian alone will never, ever, help me.
agreed... I support efforts to correct this (with my current understanding of it)
Your post: Yes, getting into college is overcoming part of that. So is getting into college as a very poor person, because let's be realistic--on top of financial issues, I am not aware of any school in which it is 'cool' to be smart, and ****ty public schools are even worse. And so they very much deserve to be in college!
I'm not sure what this really means. Whether or not something is 'cool' does not have the same influence on academic performance as generations of emotional and educational oppression. Correct me if I am misinterpreting you.
But to get into medical school, that requires a different level of overcoming hardships than college, and getting a 26.1 (black average) on the MCAT is not okay for an Asian person who was poor (31.something Asian average).
If you can show me the statistic that Asians from poor families need to have a 26.1 average to get in, and super rich black families have a 31.something average, I'll happily concede your point.
I don't know of where I would be able to get such a statistic (confirming or denying). But I hope you understand my point that racial differences are NOT simply socio-economical. Being a wealthy black or being a wealthy white or being a wealthy Asian are NOT equal. There are incidences of racism that have nothing to do with actual income/ wealth. So the racial aspect is separate from the socio-economic aspect.
For the poor Asian family, there is a section on the apps to tell about your disadvantaged status. If adcoms aren't considering this section for Asians then it is a problem that needs to be addressed separately from race based AA. Many times African Americans have both racial AND other disadvantages so of course these are taken into consideration. And, IMO, it should. BTW, adcoms also consider if you have applied with a FAP which proves economic disadvantage.
Sure, there's some sort of overall Asian culture that supports academic success, but to say this is true in EVERY Asian family is as much a stereotype as it is to say that NO black family supports academic success.
Didn't say this
From your post after I said you didn't read carefully, and you joked about fulfilling the lazy Caribbean stereotype--at least I hope that was a joke. Because I've accused many white and asian people of not reading carefully, and it has nothing to do with what ethnicity they are.
Yes, it was a joke
😛 Most Caribbeans in the U.S. are "stereotyped" as extremely hard working so I was totally being facetious. Interesting way to respond though
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It seems that at times, people not treating you well is automatically attributed towards race. But unless you're a hot girl, nobody really treats you that well. There was another person in one of the two threads who said people didn't want to lab partner with him... well I've been denied too, as have many people on this thread. How does he know if it's race or if it's who he is?
Lol, this may not apply to me since I am usually treated very well... as a "hot girl" and all
I mean, I realize that at some point it's obviously racism. But once I had to kick a hispanic woman out of a motel room (I was helping manage the motel) because she was cooking in the parking lot at 4 am and not paying her rent. She immediately accused me of racism! I would have kicked ****ing Bill Gates out if he did the same thing.
Pretty pretty please read this article and tell me what you think.
http://academic.udayton.edu/race/01race/racism10.htm
I post studies that are so interesting (to me at least) but I feel like no one takes the time to read them (I know you guys are busy). It basically talks about studies where people who considered themselves non-biased show biased behavior if they have an "excuse" to blame it on something other than race. Not saying that's what you did but that's the result of many, MANY,
MANY studies where they can actually measure it.
If a black person puts down some of the obstacles in their personal statement, and this is treated with the same preference as say, a Japanese person (who has no educational background) who immigrated to Chinatown, San Francisco and was discriminated against every day by people in the Chinese community (because a lot of Chinese people are very racist against Japanese), then yes--fine.
But I disagree with ethnicity checkboxes that are taken into consideration outside of any sort of essay, where an entire ethnicity group (many many people) are ALL assumed to have difficult experiences, and an entire ethnicity group (many many many many people) are NOT assumed to have difficult experiences. This is just not true, you can't use population statistics to describe one person's experience.
I agree that all "obstacle" essays (which don't have to be included in the PS- there is a special space in the primary) should be treated equally regardless of race.
Where we disagree (and I don't think we will concede this in the course of this thread) is if certain races inherently have difficult experiences if they live in the U.S. and whether that in itself should be taken into consideration. I argue that simply being a part of certain races in the U.S. will affect your educational experience at SOME point in your life before college.
😱 Yes, tough cookie to swallow. I know you disagree, but it's my stance based on the research I have seen. Some urms know this, some are in denial because they don't want to feel like a victim, some truly don't agree... doesn't make it not true.
All of the everyday experiences may not warrant an essay because they may be small in scale and people may not be able to isolate a specific incident (as addressed in the link I gave above) but it is there.
For ex. I have a little brother who is brilliant at math. He does problems at home just because. In the middle of this year, we found out he was placed in a remedial math class (6th grade). They didn't notify my parents... nothing. Just placed him there in the beginning of the year. He had great grades last year in all classes but had a special interest in math. We couldn't understand why. My Mom decided to visit the school. The teacher could not come up with any concrete reasons why he was moved except that he was identified as someone who would "benefit" from this type of class.
🙄 We showed her the past grades and the past comments from his math teachers (all stellar). Why this lady assumed that my bro needed to be in remedial class with absolutely no proof and without notifying my parents really puzzles me. Can I call it racism? No, I have no proof. I just can say that he had no reason to be placed and had stellar grades and interest before. I can also say that as someone in a predom white school, it was interesting that once the boys started going through puberty, the majority of the larger black boys (3 out of 4) were placed in remedial math by the choice of the same teacher when they had average to great grades in the subject before.
This will obviously affect his educational future.
Cliffs: racism against certain groups negatively impact their education and adcoms should take that into consideration beyond just socio-economics.
logging off for now
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