DO or foreign?

[rny330]

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I think my choice now is pretty much DO next year (I'm pretty sure I'll make it to at least one of the schools I'm applying to) or foreign (Ross or probably St. George) right now...

What do you suggest? What are the advantages of each situation?

Is it better to be an MD from a decent foreign school like St. George or to be a DO as far as getting a residency and future respect...

From all I hear DO's do very well and I have no problem doing it...is it just worth waiting the year...???

 

[Optimistic]

Try using the search feature🙂

 

[Chronotropic]

From what I've heard staying in the US is always best when it comes to landing a residency.

Maybe it has something to do with teaching hospitals getting more money for US grads than foreign.

 

[Docgeorge]

If you have to ask it's better that you go to a forigen school.

 

[dmitrinyr]

It really matters on what kind of residency you would like to land after medical school. If you're shooting for internal medicine, family practice, pediatrics, ob/gyn, and the rest of the more common residencies than going to a DO school in the US is better than going to foreign schools. But if you want to do anything specialized like surgery then you would probably want to opt for St. George's or other good foreign schools.

Still, wherever you go. You still have to bust your ass and work hard to be in the top of your class and do well on the boards so that you can get the better residency.

True it is possible to get some of the most competitive residencies out there (i.e. orthopaedic surgery, plastic surgery, etc.) from a DO or foreign med school but you basically have to be the best student in that school to accomplish this feat (or at least the top 5% of class).

dmitri

 

[maysqrd]

Have any of you ever heard the story about why TUCOM was opened? Touro College in New York has an affiliate medical school in Isreal. The degree is recognized by the US, BUT they kept having trouble getting their students into residencies in the US. The FMG's are still facing discrimination from residencies that DO's don't have anymore. So what did Touro College do? They opened TUCOM! A med school in the US that would not be discriminated against when applicants applied for residencies.

I think the main issue is that many residency directors are not familiar with some foreign schools and as such have no way to equate the education and clerkships experiences of an FMG to a US school. As a result, you will find many FMG's without a match at the end of March even though ample residencies spaces go unfilled every year.

FMG's that are allowed to do their rotations at well known US hospitals and can secure LOR's from well respected physicians at those sites probably have no problems with getting a residency in the US. If I was considering a foreign school, I would want a written guarrantee that I was going to do my rotations at a well respected US site. None of this "depending on how you rank in your class" bull.... that many school use to determine who gets the US rotation sites. If I can't get that, then I would wait the year for sure and stay in the US.

Just opinion....

 

[do2md]

Originally posted by maysqrd
Have any of you ever heard the story about why TUCOM was opened? Touro College in New York has an affiliate medical school in Isreal. The degree is recognized by the US, BUT they kept having trouble getting their students into residencies in the US. The FMG's are still facing discrimination from residencies that DO's don't have anymore.

r u kidding? is that what they told you during orientiation? it's no secret that touro college has perhaps the worst graduate and professional schools in the nation, with nova right on their heels. they opened a do school because they thought they could make a buck or two. if they had trouble getting their affiliated students into residencies in the us, how would opening up yet another us school, which would create even more competition, help?
and do's don't face discrimination from residency programs anymore? take a look at touro's placement.
yer an idiot.

 

[jkhamlin]

Hey do2md, you have already been told on another thread recently to go troll somewhere else. Now, be a good boy and go play in some rush hour traffic. 😛

 

[skypilot]

I don't think it is really fair to look at Touro's match list when talking about DO discrimination. The reason is that they are so new so they face additional problem of not having a long track record.

Better to look at PCOM, NYCOM, or even Western COMP. Then you have to factor out that most DOs go for general medicine and may be less competitive people (this can actually be a good thing despite what you may hear 😉 )

Then you will see that DOs can go anywhere they want to assuming they get the board scores and perform well in school.

Put a Ace student in an osteopathic or an allopathic school and they will end up where they want to be.

 

[Deuce 007 MD]

Its better to graduate from a DO school then an offshore foreign MD school. The foreign MD school should be your last resort IMHO. There are always exceptions, because if you're really dedicated and kicka$$ on the boards, where you went won't matter that much.

 

[Green912]

Also keep in mind that many states in the midwest (Ohio, Mich, NY, PA, IL....) are very familiar and comfortable with D.O's. A successful student won't have many problems securing a good residency in these and other states.

 

[RockandRolldoc]

DO2MD, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself, such as..what med school you go to? Where you get that charming personality? Whether you've ever spoken to a female without giving your credit card number first? This anonymous stuff doesn't play well with people here who proudly represent their respective medical schools. If you can also explain to me how Anatomy, Biochemistry, Cardiology, Endocrinology are different at MD and DO schools, I'd also be interested in hearing about the fateful day you had your revelation about osteopathy. I'm sorry for your pain.. it's not your fault, it's not your fault, it's not your fault, it's not your fault.... ( you can cry and hug your blow up doll now).

 

[doctorperez]

There is a wrongful stigma that still exists with some old foggies who make decisions in some residencies.

At Osteopathic schools we need people who embrace our philosophy fully and are willing to pave the way for those behind us. Students willing to be proud to be DOs and change that stigma and demonstrate we are equal but unique.

I believe we are the generation of DOs who will make this a reality.

Therefore My330, unless you are such a student, please do not apply to a DO school. Leave the seat for someone who will not only obtain an education at a DO school but will also leave an improvement for the profession.

I believe that is the kind of students we need at DO schools not those who see them as backups.



Best regards

 

[Idiopathic]

Originally posted by dmitrinyr
But if you want to do anything specialized like surgery then you would probably want to opt for St. George's or other good foreign schools.

Unbelievable...I have some real advice.

If you dont mind practicing in the area where your school is, or an area that is DO friendly (Fort Worth, Tulsa, Philadelphia, NYC, Michigan, Ohio, Arkansas) you would be foolish not to get a degree from a school here in the states. I plan on doing a competitive residency in whatever field I choose wherever I choose (of course it wont be surgery at Harvard, but then again, they dont take too many people anyway). Of course you should plan on being in the top 10 and scoring 240+ on the USMLE also. But you should want to do that anyway.