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I'm currently going through a situation of hesitation and bewilderment. I have received acceptance to a DO school in Southern California (COMP). I did a masters program and I received some interviews from MD schools but did not get accepted. I'm wondering if I should take another year off, retake my MCAT and try to improve from a 27, or if I should just pursue a DO degree. I feel that Florida has a lot of MD schools and they are not as competitive as the Californian schools. My only problem is that I might have to add some more extra curriculars with volunteering and I need to improve my MCAT score by a couple of points. I'm also 25 going into 26 and I don't feel like wasting another year in the arduous application process without any guarantees. Is the DO route getting better progressively or is it still inferior to any US MD school. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you

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It really matters what you see yourself getting into. If it has been a lifelong dream to be a surgeon, then I would wait to get accepted into an MD institution. If all you want to do is practice primary care and don't care about some of the stigma, then by all means, attend osteopathic medical school.
 
It'll be more than a year. The current crop of premeds are lining up to apply for the entering class of 2010. You stated that you want to improve your MCAT, improve your applications, etc. Have your application significantly right now? Otherwise if you are hoping to apply this cycle with similar stats, scores, experiences - expect similar results (except you might have a harder time with a DO acceptance).

Also you will be handicapped as a re-applicant because medical schools will look to see what improvements you have made since you last applied.

It also depends on what you want to be eventually. A competitive specialty or a competitive location - waiting a few years may be worth it.

Keep these thoughts in mind

In a depress economy, applications to graduate schools, law schools, and medical schools go UP. It will be more competitive.

Tuition is going up.

You will lose a couple years of attending salary (opportunity cost) - the decision to wait a couple years for the MD instead of a DO will cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost opportunity (unless you are aiming for a competitive specialty - but there is no guarantee that going for an MD will enable you to go into a competitive field - competitive specialties by definition competitive (even to MD students)
 
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I have a friend that went through the same process but was not accepted to an allopathic medical school the next time around, even with more volunteer hours and a couple points higher on the MCAT. The bottom line is you have an acceptance now but there is no guarantee for next year. Also, schools might look down on the lost opportunity from the previous year. I would find out if your acceptance this year would hurt your chances for next year by calling the schools you are interested in for the upcoming application cycle. I personally think that the DO degree is equivalent, but I'm biased.

I agree with group theory, you are losing a year of income, which would be the same with either degree. Do you have undergrad debt? That might be something to consider as well.
 
I'd say get started on med school and go DO.

From what I've read, COMP has a pretty solid reputation and has been pumping out capable and competent physicians (as have most, if not all, DO schools) for a little while now!

If you want to enter a competitive specialty, the AOA residency programs are still going to be competitive and the ACGME programs are going to be really competitive, so you're gonna have to prove yourself with your performance in med school either way (MD or DO).

And on top of all that, when you're done with your residency training, you get reimbursed the exact same way someone who attended Harvard or UCSF for medical school will, so you'd be missing out on that much more money if you don't start now.
 
I'm currently going through a situation of hesitation and bewilderment. I have received acceptance to a DO school in Southern California (COMP). I did a masters program in Florida and did fairly well (4.0) and I received some interviews from MD schools but did not get accepted. I'm wondering if I should take another year off, retake my MCAT and try to improve from a 27, or if I should just pursue a DO degree. I feel that Florida has a lot of MD schools and they are not as competitive as the Californian schools. My only problem is that I might have to add some more extra curriculars with volunteering and I need to improve my MCAT score by a couple of points. I'm also 25 going into 26 and I don't feel like wasting another year in the arduous application process without any guarantees. On the other hand, if I had a guarantee I wouldn't mind going over the process again. Is the DO route getting better progressively or is it still inferior to any US MD school. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you

If you are going to say that DO school is inferior to any US MD school, I suggest you wait and go to an MD school.
 
I'm a little bewildered about some of the responses on this thread. Contrary to what my username may suggest, I'm a medical student at NYCOM. Let me make this clear: In America, MD = DO and DO = MD. Medical school is really about what YOU make of it. Furthermore, the supposition that a DO can't make it into a competitive specialty is crap. If you have your heart set on being a surgeon and you are going to be a DO, then be a DO surgeon. Just because you go to DO school, doesn't mean you're relegated to primary care. You can do whatever you want to do if you put in the work. I heard that a 4th year from NYCOM just matched allo neurosurg. I can't be positive because I have yet to see the match list, but if it's true, that's all the proof you need. Take the acceptance, be proud of your accomplishments and show the allo schools and pompus MDs that you can be a better physician than they were ever willing to give you credit for.
 
I'm currently going through a situation of hesitation and bewilderment. I have received acceptance to a DO school in Southern California (COMP). I did a masters program in Florida and did fairly well (4.0) and I received some interviews from MD schools but did not get accepted. I'm wondering if I should take another year off, retake my MCAT and try to improve from a 27, or if I should just pursue a DO degree. I feel that Florida has a lot of MD schools and they are not as competitive as the Californian schools. My only problem is that I might have to add some more extra curriculars with volunteering and I need to improve my MCAT score by a couple of points. I'm also 25 going into 26 and I don't feel like wasting another year in the arduous application process without any guarantees. On the other hand, if I had a guarantee I wouldn't mind going over the process again. Is the DO route getting better progressively or is it still inferior to any US MD school. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you

I immediately zoomed in on the highlighted text. If that's how you really think, perhaps you should improve your application to reapply to an allopathic medical school. I mean, normally, I would say forget reapplying and go the DO route, simply for practical reasons, but if you already think you are going to get a bum deal from going the DO route on the onset, then perhaps you shouldn't even consider the DO route as a viable option.
 
I agree, spicedmanna. "...is it still inferior to any US MD school?" You applied, interviewed and got accepted to a DO school but are wondering if it is STILL inferior to a US MD program? When was it EVER inferior to a US MD program? I think you should have done your research before spending all that wasted time getting accepted. Seems to me all you want is that MD behind your name instead of wanting to be a doctor.

NJWxMan:
I have wanted to be a surgeon all of my life. Should I have gone to an MD school because I don't want to do primary care? Am I limited to only osteopathic residencies? People like you are the ones keeping that stigma alive. In my home state, the allopathic institution where I would like to do my residency has a DO from PCOM as their Chief Neurosurgery Resident. NEUROSURGERY! And this is the case all over the country. Plenty of osteopathic students do allopathic residencies. Open your eyes.
 
if you already think you are going to get a bum deal from going the DO route on the onset, then perhaps you shouldn't even consider the DO route as a viable option.

Although I can't speak for the OP's intentions, I find some pre-meds like myself REALLY like the school(s) they've been accepted to, but are more concerned about being 'stuck' with the DO initials... simply due to misguided but still-existing stigma related to the initials, lack of public recognition, and/or international practice rights. Many of us would actually prefer to go to a school based on so-called 'osteopathic principles' that teach OMM and manipulation... but are concerned about limited future opportunities and the quality of rotations (in schools that don't have their own teaching hospitals). I think many of our concerns are valid, and if you go to the general residency section of SDN, you can see that the stigma even exists here.


Seems to me all you want is that MD behind your name instead of wanting to be a doctor.

Every time I hear people throw around this statement, it really bugs me. It's a very unfair statement. Why shouldn't all of us who graduate from medical school have the same privileges? If MDs and DOs are truly equal, then why aren't there the same international practice rights, same opportunies for specialization, same quality of rotations, same public recognition, etc? By your statement, you are implying that the applicant doesn't have altruistic motivation for going into medicine. However, I don't see how someone feeling unhappy about the 'real world' inequality (while theoretical equality) between the two degrees somehow reflects on that person's motivations to become a physician.

I am planning on matriculating into a DO school this year. I really do like the school... a lot. But I also feel that if I'm going to go through all the work of medical school, then I deserve the same privileges as anyone else. I think all medical schools should award the standard 'MD' degree. Like I presume from the OP, I also have concerns about the initials after my name, especially as the country that I have the (equivalent of a US) 'green card' in doesn't currently recognize DOs. As a US MD I could practice there, but as a DO I would have to go through hoops... for what good reason? You might just say to me "Well if you feel that way, then don't go to a DO school"... but that would be simply a dismissing comment that doesn't address the real issues. I also hear people say other dismissing things like "Well if you felt that way, then why did you even apply to DO schools?" And my response would be that much learning about future opportunities was gleaned during this application process from talking to other students, being on SDN etc, and not before. Many of us were inspired by the AOA and AACOM's literature for DO applicants... and felt kicked when we started reading all these 'DO regret' threads here on SDN.

Despite my grievances, I still plan on matriculating, and am really looking forward to being a student at the school I've been accepted to... since I had a positive vibe with the school and like the location, faculty (that I've met), etc. But being on track to receive the DO initials is certainly a source of frustration. It doesn't reflect any less-than-altruistic desire to be a physician, nor my interest in OMM, osteopathic principles etc. I am just deeply concerned about discrimination, lack of international practice rights, etc for no valid reason.
 
Eh, you should definitely go with the DO school. Is COMP = Western? If so, I'd go to that school no question, but I am biased since I want to stay in CA. Doesn't matter anymore since you already applied and got in, but what you should've done was not apply DO this cycle. Also, I hear DO's match very well into EM residencies. Holla
 
Although I can't speak for the OP's intentions, I find some pre-meds like myself REALLY like the school(s) they've been accepted to, but are more concerned about being 'stuck' with the DO initials... simply due to misguided but still-existing stigma related to the initials, lack of public recognition, and/or international practice rights. Many of us would actually prefer to go to a school based on so-called 'osteopathic principles' that teach OMM and manipulation... but are concerned about limited future opportunities and the quality of rotations (in schools that don't have their own teaching hospitals). I think many of our concerns are valid, and if you go to the general residency section of SDN, you can see that the stigma even exists here.

I won't argue w/ you about it; there may in fact be legitimate concerns. However, I did not mean my comment in a negative light. What I meant was that if the OP's concerns (legitimate or not) were > than his or her desire to start medical school at this point in time, then probably it would be a good idea to not go the DO route, since the OP did not express a clear like of the school in which he or she received an acceptance. It is possible that the OP did not provide all of the relevant information for me to draw that conclusion, but based on my reading of his/her post, I did not get the sense that the OP was into things osteopathic. Indeed, his or her primary affinity seems toward attending an allopathic medical school. I simply did not want to encourage the OP to attend a school in which he or she would have to unhappily settle for, i.e., wasn't completely able to be 100% aligned with. I think that may be a recipe for unhappiness down the line, knowing you settled for something you really didn't want.

There are no half-ways here. You either get okay with what is, or make a different choice. Personally, if I were in the OP's shoes, I'd whole-heartedly embrace the acceptance to what is actually a rather good osteopathic medical school, indeed a good medical school, in general, and get on with it. Time's ticking and chances are, if the OP decided to reapply again, things may not turn out so peachy. Play the odds. The OP is looking for guarantees, when in fact, there is rarely, if ever any such guarantees in this process. Perhaps on his or her next reapplication, there will be NO acceptances; then what?

Furthermore, while I won't say that there isn't an element of truth to these so-called negative perceptions, a lot of the really popular negative hype, vast majority, is based on pre-med neuroses. There are a couple of other assorted issues associated with the profession that are not insignificant, of course. For example, the tendency for the organization to sometimes get in the way of it's own progress relative to certain things, the struggle for osteopathic medicine in (re)defining itself in modern times (identity crisis), and the minority status of the profession with it's associated issues. No, separate may not in fact be equal, but make no mistake that professionally, the two degrees are indeed equivalent and a person holding a DO degree isn't automatically in some kind of lower professional caste. Not by a long shot. I won't say that there isn't discrimination, because there is, some notable. It's part of being the minority player in the game. However, in the vast majority of cases, the determining factor holding you back, as long as you have realistic goals, is going to be you, not other people and certainly not your degree. You make it work. Having an MD or attending an MD school isn't going to give you some magic power to overcome your own shortcomings. Most of your success in this process is going to be dependent on you, not your degree.

Anyway, what do I know? I can only speak from my own experience and so far I haven't encountered any significant issues, poor perceptions, or discrimination from my choice to attend an osteopathic medical school. I am being treated as a completely equal colleague everywhere I've been. Nobody, including patients, have been having a problem with where I am currently attending medical school. Indeed, it seems the only issues are the ones I'm creating for myself or otherwise not related to degree being granted. I've also never seen any real stigma in the field toward osteopathic physicians, nor have any of my colleagues reported anything remotely resembling stigma. No negative comments that I take seriously, anyway, because there will be some people no matter what you do, who you are, or what degree you have, that like to create problems.

Whatever. If one doesn't feel comfortable attending the school in question or wants to extend that to all osteopathic medical schools, then so be it. I cannot argue against that. I'm sure everyone has their reasons. Do what makes the most sense to you. There's no right or wrong answer.
 
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1. you have an acceptance to a medical school currently in hand.

2. you do NOT have a guarantee of an acceptance next year if you reapply - and thus may be taking more than one year off.

3. if you reapply, your chances of getting into another DO school are slim to none if they find out you turned down an acceptance to try again for allo schools (although there are always exceptions to every rule, but turning down a DO school to reapply to a MD school is burning your bridges).

4. Do you want to be a doctor or not?

5. if you didn't want to go to a DO school, why did you apply??????

6. If you're just going to have MHB syndrome going to a DO school, don't go and inflict your acquired syndrome on everyone else.

If you're ok with perhaps never getting into med school again or having to go out of the country to pursue your dream, then go ahead with reapplying to all MD schools. Good luck to you.
 
It really matters what you see yourself getting into. If it has been a lifelong dream to be a surgeon, then I would wait to get accepted into an MD institution. If all you want to do is practice primary care and don't care about some of the stigma, then by all means, attend osteopathic medical school.

Curious to why you think that...
 
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I agree, spicedmanna. "...is it still inferior to any US MD school?" You applied, interviewed and got accepted to a DO school but are wondering if it is STILL inferior to a US MD program? When was it EVER inferior to a US MD program? I think you should have done your research before spending all that wasted time getting accepted. Seems to me all you want is that MD behind your name instead of wanting to be a doctor.

Not too long ago it was considered inferior. During the 50s and 60s osteopathic schools were looked down on a lot more due to their massive class size, lack of resources and general ease to get into. Real headway started being made slightly later on. Stigma for something has to start somewhere and there is usually some essence of truth to the beliefs SOMETIME during the degree.

It obviously isn't the same now, so I'm not saying that but don't think that DO was always a good option to go into. It took my dad time working with DOs that graduated mid 70s and later to shake the stigma.
 
This thread has reminded me of all those lowly DO's that I have shadowed that had limited opportunities and yet still find themselves as physicians at Mayo. One is a surgeon, two in urology, one in IM, two in EM, and another is the leading ethicist for the entire establishment. And these were just the ones I shadowed at my nearest hospital.
 
Why do people get on here and post sh#! like this.....If you're questioning it than don't do it! It's insulting to ask people whom have already chosen this profession a question like that...
 
Please remain civil and professional when answering the OP's question. While you may agree or disagree with his/her thoughts and position, the OP did post in this forum asking for advice and we owe it to him/her to give our honest opinions without the need to attack or insult.
 
Go to DO school. Plenty of DO surgeons out there in the world. Just get good grades and board scores and you'll be fine. Might not go to Harvard residency, but who cares?
 
I'm divided on where I stand regarding the OP's dilemma.

On one hand, I think it's ridiculously silly to give up an acceptance to medical school. You're in medical school! Thousands of people would kill to be accepted somewhere. There's no guarantee that you'll be able to improve your scores and application or that you'll be accepted to ANY school during the next cycle. 30 years ago there may have been a major difference between DO and MD but not anymore, at least in my experience. I'm from NJ and we have a large population of DOs - most of my friends and family have been treated by one but they don't know nor do they really care what letters their doctor has behind his/her name.

On the other hand, however, I think that if you are going to regret attending a DO school for the rest of your life, you should give up the acceptance to someone who is going to make the most of the opportunity. Honestly, and I mean no disrespect, if you were so against becoming a DO, you shouldn't have applied in the first place.

Whatever you decide, I wish you the best.
 
As someone who has been through the process and have seen this scenario dozens and dozens of times, here's my advice: Go to the school that you feel "fits" best. If that school is a DO school, then fantastic. If not, you should wait.

At any given DO school the classes break down roughly into three unequal groups: 15% who applied exclusively to DO schools and only wanted to be a DO. 70% who applied to both and are happy wherever they matriculate. 15% who applied to both and only got accepted to DO school and don't quite feel like they "fit in" with the osteopathic community. This 15% ultimately becomes the "MD-wannabe" group. They struggle. Sometimes academically, sometimes professionally, sometimes personally. They have a hard assimilating to the professional and cultural norms of the osteopathic community.

So, if you think that you're likely in that 15%, then you should wait another year. If you think that you're in the other 85% then take the acceptance.
 
rename all DO schools to MD with OMM, kill rocky vista.
 
The OPs concerns are legitimate and should not be written off by so many DO students that have made there "peace" with the issue at the expense of flying off the handle any time someone disrupts their affirmations.
The numbers russo pulled out of his ... pocket are not accurate in my opinion and experience. 15% or hard core DO students is probably accurate to high, I would say 5-15% depending on school (Ive talked to a few students who applied only DO, not because they were super OMM but because they didn't think they would get in allo. It was more like 5% gung ho DO at my school. These will be over-represented on boards like this. About 85% did apply to both yet somehow magically once they were only accepted at a DO school you see a split in this group and I think it has to do with psychological plasticity and the preservation of ego but a good chunk of this group, at least for the first few years of DO school convince themselves that they are much happier to be at a DO school than an MD school because they cannot afford to be honest with themselves. The honest truth being that they matriculated because they just want to be Doctors in the end and may actually like the geographical region so they take the accept. Again, many just can't bear to be this honest with themselves and they too will post away to the heavens on this board to make there affirmations more solid. The other half is a quite honest and refreshing bunch. They don't take themselves or their egos so uber seriously that they cannot be honest. They are perfectly happy to be at the DO school and to end up practicing medicine but will tell you flat out, yes, I would rather have gone allo but I got accepted here and took it and I'll end up doing what I wanted to do. Am I crazy about OMM? No, but I'll pass the class and get passed it. Of this bunch maybe 10% of them are quite vocal and are labeled "MD wannabes". The rest of this bunch just keeps on truckin and doesn't pay too much attention either way.
So in my breakdown it comes down to 5-10% hardcore and vocal at the two extremes and 40% who must preserve ego with psychological overlay, 40% who just truck on and end up doing what they always wanted to do and will be honest about the whole deal.

Wait for it.... I hear the egos about to boil over, the teeth are grinding.... responses please!
 
Is the DO route getting better progressively or is it still inferior to any US MD school.

To the OP, when you pose a question to a group of people, always think about your choice of wording so you don't come across as disrespectful and socially inept. In fact you are talking with a group of people that have dedicated much time, effort, money and frankly life to their medical degree, which is D.O. here. Overall, it is very apparent that you are very inexperienced. You should go to the school that you feel good about. Hopefully the opportunity will be there for you next year. Good Luck.
 
To the OP, when you pose a question to a group of people, always think about your choice of wording so you don't come across as disrespectful and socially inept. In fact you are talking with a group of people that have dedicated much time, effort, money and frankly life to their medical degree, which is D.O. here. Overall, it is very apparent that you are very inexperienced. You should go to the school that you feel good about. Hopefully the opportunity will be there for you next year. Good Luck.

I agree completely with what you say here, but even want to take it a step further: take the source of this thread as an indication. Someone who joined yesterday and has only 2 posts (both in this forum and the DO resident/physician forum) is either new to all of this or trying to get a rise out of the students/doctors in these forums.

If it really is just the case that this person is new to the process, I hope you find the answer you are looking for.
 
Preface: If this is even a real post:

Re-apply to MD schools. Clearly the DO degree is of concern to you
and you do not want to be an "inferior" doctor. That wont change.

In all honesty though, your 27 MCAT is the average at COMP
(http://prospective.westernu.edu/osteopathic/competitive)
....so maybe you should re-examine your competitiveness.

Good luck in next years MD app. cycle!! :luck:

Close this forum please =>
 
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I'm currently going through a situation of hesitation and bewilderment. I have received acceptance to a DO school in Southern California (COMP). I did a masters program in Florida and did fairly well (4.0) and I received some interviews from MD schools but did not get accepted. I'm wondering if I should take another year off, retake my MCAT and try to improve from a 27, or if I should just pursue a DO degree. I feel that Florida has a lot of MD schools and they are not as competitive as the Californian schools. My only problem is that I might have to add some more extra curriculars with volunteering and I need to improve my MCAT score by a couple of points. I'm also 25 going into 26 and I don't feel like wasting another year in the arduous application process without any guarantees. On the other hand, if I had a guarantee I wouldn't mind going over the process again. Is the DO route getting better progressively or is it still inferior to any US MD school. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you

You should absolutely turn down the acceptance you have now. Apply again next year and get rejected again and never become a doc. Last thing we need is someone coming into the profession saying crap like DO is inferior to MD.
 
op, maybe you should apply to Caribbean schools. They're pretty open minded about whom they will take, your MCAT is more than adequate down there, and you'll get an MD degree. They probably won't even mind that you turned down a prior year DO acceptance.

I think you shouldn't go to a school if you have this many doubts. It's such a huge investment of time and money. Was there something about COMP that made you uncomfortable--their match lists, complaints by current or former students, a bad reputation among docs in California? I've heard nothing but good things about COMP. Maybe best to let someone else have your seat, and re-think your goals.
 
Fergison2, you have a very interesting and mostly true point here.

I applied to both MD and DO schools, and am going DO. And honestly, it may be harder for me to obtain that allopathic surgical residency I want. But for someone to tell me that because I am going to a DO school I can basically only do FP is ridiculous. I should not be ruled out purely in principle. It's not that it might take hard work; it will, but it can be done.

It is tough for us to push our egos aside and be truly honest with ourselves. I agree with you for the most part, except on one point. In the end, I will be happy as an osteopathic physician, just like I would be happy as an allopathic physician had I taken that route. It's not that I would be happier being at an allopathic school as you stated. I will be happy being a doctor. Isn't that what it's all about? We should take what we EARNED (not what we were given, because we weren't given acceptance, we earned it) and make the best of it. If making the best of it requires a little more hard work on our part, well then, that only makes us stronger in the end.
 
Fergison2, you have a very interesting and mostly true point here.

I applied to both MD and DO schools, and am going DO. And honestly, it may be harder for me to obtain that allopathic surgical residency I want. But for someone to tell me that because I am going to a DO school I can basically only do FP is ridiculous. I should not be ruled out purely in principle. It's not that it might take hard work; it will, but it can be done.

It is tough for us to push our egos aside and be truly honest with ourselves. I agree with you for the most part, except on one point. In the end, I will be happy as an osteopathic physician, just like I would be happy as an allopathic physician had I taken that route. It's not that I would be happier being at an allopathic school as you stated. I will be happy being a doctor. Isn't that what it's all about? We should take what we EARNED (not what we were given, because we weren't given acceptance, we earned it) and make the best of it. If making the best of it requires a little more hard work on our part, well then, that only makes us stronger in the end.

I am not going to make up your mind..but let me tell you one thing though, despite where you end up you are going to have to perform extremely well on boards, rotations to have a shot at any of the competitive residencies. Surgery is always going to stay competitive and you need to accept the challenges after you start school MD or DO..so have a mindset for the long term. However, no one on SDN can tell you what is right for you..its a subjective matter!
 
OP, I'm afraid that if you attend DO school, you will turn into this type of doctor:

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Just kidding. :laugh:😆
 
I am not going to make up your mind..but let me tell you one thing though, despite where you end up you are going to have to perform extremely well on boards, rotations to have a shot at any of the competitive residencies. Surgery is always going to stay competitive and you need to accept the challenges after you start school MD or DO..so have a mindset for the long term. However, no one on SDN can tell you what is right for you..its a subjective matter!


Not going to make up my mind? I'm not sure what that means. But, I have fully accepted the challenges I will face, hence the point of my post. I never said it would be a cake walk matching allo surgery, or any other competitive allopathic residency for that matter. Of course it's going to be difficult, just don't tell me I can't do it. Don't tell anyone they can't do it. It's not fair to that person and not fair to that speciality to automatically rule someone out.

Anything worth having is worth working for.
 
My $0.02:

If you are having doubts, reapply next year to both MD and DO programs. I have a close friend who didn't get into any US MD program the first time he applied. I had suggested submitting some applications to some osteopathic schools but he was determined to become an MD. The following year he got two acceptances to US MD programs. He's now an anesthesiology resident (at a university hospital known for being very DO friendly, go figure :laugh: )

There is something to be said about not compromising your goals, and for many, going the DO route is just that. With your numbers, you will probably be able to gain admission the following year to a DO program, anyway.
 
It really matters what you see yourself getting into. If it has been a lifelong dream to be a surgeon, then I would wait to get accepted into an MD institution. If all you want to do is practice primary care and don't care about some of the stigma, then by all means, attend osteopathic medical school.

Not true. You can still be a Surgeon if your a D.O. However, certain specialties such as Urology or Ophthalmology are very tough to get into. This is because these two respective residencies are so tough that even US MD's themselves have a tough time matching. Add to this, there is a very limited # of seats for osteopathic Urology and Ophthalmology residencies.

Anyone know if they might increase Urology and Opth residencies for D.O.'s since the osteopathic pathway is becoming more well known?

FYI-NJWxMan, with all due respect, D.O.'s are not chiropractors(thats what your post makes them out to be). I assure you, its only a matter of time before the average MCAT for osteopathic schools hits 30.
 
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I appreciate the time that all of you posters have put in to respond to my inquiry. I do apologize to anyone who I have offended for not phrasing my question in a more respectful and courteous fashion. I am grateful that I have been accepted to a DO school and after reading these posts I feel more confident and promise in attending my school. The more I think about the DO venue and the more research I do on it, I realize that the impetus of my hesitance is more due to financial reasons, and suitably so, because Western is going to cost me $42,000 a year with tuition alone. I have this impression that I'm paying for a Mercedes but getting a Camary, granted both cars are nice in their own rights and going to suffice for their purposes. I'm also a Florida resident (fyi nlax30) so I thought it was worth to ponder over due to Florida having some MD options for me. Once again I thank everyone especially Fergison2, spicedmanna, and rkaz for all your inputs. Kind regards
 
I appreciate the time that all of you posters have put in to respond to my inquiry. I do apologize to anyone who I have offended for not phrasing my question in a more respectful and courteous fashion. I am grateful that I have been accepted to a DO school and after reading these posts I feel more confident and promise in attending my school. The more I think about the DO venue and the more research I do on it, I realize that the impetus of my hesitance is more due to financial reasons, and suitably so, because Western is going to cost me $42,000 a year with tuition alone. I have this impression that I'm paying for a Mercedes but getting a Camary, granted both cars are nice in their own rights and going to suffice for their purposes. I'm also a Florida resident (fyi nlax30) so I thought it was worth to ponder over due to Florida having some MD options for me. Once again I thank everyone especially Fergison2, spicedmanna, and rkaz for all your inputs. Kind regards
 
I appreciate the time that all of you posters have put in to respond to my inquiry. I do apologize to anyone who I have offended for not phrasing my question in a more respectful and courteous fashion. I am grateful that I have been accepted to a DO school and after reading these posts I feel more confident and promise in attending my school. The more I think about the DO venue and the more research I do on it, I realize that the impetus of my hesitance is more due to financial reasons, and suitably so, because Western is going to cost me $42,000 a year with tuition alone. I have this impression that I'm paying for a Mercedes but getting a Camary, granted both cars are nice in their own rights and going to suffice for their purposes. I'm also a Florida resident (fyi nlax30) so I thought it was worth to ponder over due to Florida having some MD options for me. Once again I thank everyone especially Fergison2, spicedmanna, and rkaz for all your inputs. Kind regards

You do realize u just did it again.
 
i'm surprise that no one gave the OP this advice...if you're so hesitant on attending a DO school, then you should DEFER your acceptance to Western/COMP until another year for the class of 2014...

study for the MCAT and apply for MD schools in June (florida medical schools aren't that competitive as california...their averages are about 3.5-3.6 GPA's and 29-31 MCAT)

if you dont get accepted to a florida MD school, you'll always have the DO school as a backup. that's just smart planning

but your quote about " I have this impression that I'm paying for a Mercedes but getting a Camry" scares me...
 
The OPs concerns are legitimate and should not be written off by so many DO students that have made there "peace" with the issue at the expense of flying off the handle any time someone disrupts their affirmations.
The numbers russo pulled out of his ... pocket are not accurate in my opinion and experience. 15% or hard core DO students is probably accurate to high, I would say 5-15% depending on school (Ive talked to a few students who applied only DO, not because they were super OMM but because they didn't think they would get in allo. It was more like 5% gung ho DO at my school. These will be over-represented on boards like this. About 85% did apply to both yet somehow magically once they were only accepted at a DO school you see a split in this group and I think it has to do with psychological plasticity and the preservation of ego but a good chunk of this group, at least for the first few years of DO school convince themselves that they are much happier to be at a DO school than an MD school because they cannot afford to be honest with themselves. The honest truth being that they matriculated because they just want to be Doctors in the end and may actually like the geographical region so they take the accept. Again, many just can't bear to be this honest with themselves and they too will post away to the heavens on this board to make there affirmations more solid. The other half is a quite honest and refreshing bunch. They don't take themselves or their egos so uber seriously that they cannot be honest. They are perfectly happy to be at the DO school and to end up practicing medicine but will tell you flat out, yes, I would rather have gone allo but I got accepted here and took it and I'll end up doing what I wanted to do. Am I crazy about OMM? No, but I'll pass the class and get passed it. Of this bunch maybe 10% of them are quite vocal and are labeled "MD wannabes". The rest of this bunch just keeps on truckin and doesn't pay too much attention either way.
So in my breakdown it comes down to 5-10% hardcore and vocal at the two extremes and 40% who must preserve ego with psychological overlay, 40% who just truck on and end up doing what they always wanted to do and will be honest about the whole deal.

Wait for it.... I hear the egos about to boil over, the teeth are grinding.... responses please!

Well put. 👍
 
After researching and talking to various people I have concluded that Western is a solid DO school. I saw their match list and I'm convinced that its a good place for me to go. Thanks everyone.

i'm surprise that no one gave the OP this advice...if you're so hesitant on attending a DO school, then you should DEFER your acceptance to Western/COMP until another year for the class of 2014...

study for the MCAT and apply for MD schools in June (florida medical schools aren't that competitive as california...their averages are about 3.5-3.6 GPA's and 29-31 MCAT)

if you dont get accepted to a florida MD school, you'll always have the DO school as a backup. that's just smart planning

but your quote about " I have this impression that I'm paying for a Mercedes but getting a Camry" scares me...
 
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Why do people get on here and post sh#! like this.....If you're questioning it than don't do it! It's insulting to ask people whom have already chosen this profession a question like that...

To the OP, when you pose a question to a group of people, always think about your choice of wording so you don't come across as disrespectful and socially inept. In fact you are talking with a group of people that have dedicated much time, effort, money and frankly life to their medical degree, which is D.O. here. Overall, it is very apparent that you are very inexperienced. You should go to the school that you feel good about. Hopefully the opportunity will be there for you next year. Good Luck.

Oh my god, grow a pair already. If there's one constant on SDN, it's that every year in May (and every other month) there will be several thousand premeds trying to find out what a DO is, and one or two will have the balls to come over to where the DO students are and ask questions.

If the constant uneducated inquiries from premeds make you feel insulted or disrespected, that doesn't say a damned thing about the premed. Speaks volumes about you, though.
 
Well put, I think it is time for this thread to die (the OP made the decision, case closed).
 
In this game, what you have in hand today is worth much more than what you may have at some undetermined point in the future.
 
I am sorry to add to a thread that everyone wants to end but I have a slightly different dilemma. I have received acceptances from AZCOM and St. George's University in the Caribbean. I am equally excited about both opportunities but can not firmly decide on either school. As a California resident, AZCOM easily comes away as the convenient situation but it seems through my research that St. George's has better residency placements. If surgery is my speciality of desire, is one school really better than the other?? I understand people do not like discussing DO vs. MD, but I know the value of each and am trying to evaluate if one choice gives me an advantage for future opportunities. Any advice is greatly appreciated...
 
I am sorry to add to a thread that everyone wants to end but I have a slightly different dilemma. I have received acceptances from AZCOM and St. George's University in the Caribbean. I am equally excited about both opportunities but can not firmly decide on either school. As a California resident, AZCOM easily comes away as the convenient situation but it seems through my research that St. George's has better residency placements. If surgery is my speciality of desire, is one school really better than the other?? I understand people do not like discussing DO vs. MD, but I know the value of each and am trying to evaluate if one choice gives me an advantage for future opportunities. Any advice is greatly appreciated...

This has been dealt with many times before, but it can always use reiteration.

When it comes to getting the residency you want in the US, going to a US school of either type will benefit you more than being an international grad.

The only caveat is that it would be better to go to an established US school only because a brand new school has no track record.

But AZCOM has been around a while so it's not affected by the caveat.
 
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