Do psychiatrists treat dementia

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Just curious. Considering that pseudodementia would be high on the differential, and treatment for it is most definitely within the scope of psychiatry, is it common for psychiatrists to treat dementia? I know that PCPs and neurologists do, but dementia sounds like it could be within the scope of some psychiatrists out there. If not, could this start to change as our understanding of the neuroscience behind behavior/cognition continues to grow?

I'd like to think that we will become masters of understanding/questioning the neuroanatomy and physiology of behavior, perception, thought, etc. and in doing so play our role in treating any dysfunction that may arise from such. (Too idealistic?)

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Insofar as dementia is treatable, yes. Look at Geriatric Psychiatry.

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I think you/will be managing behavioral disturbances associated, but what "treatment" for dementia is there, really? The acetylcholinesterase inhibitors are managed in primary care all the time.
 
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in general neurologists are better at diagnosing dementias, especially the early onset forms, and anyone under 40 with cognitive problems should probably be seen by a neurologist. management of dementia (as they are largely untreatable) is best done by psychiatrists who tend to take a more systematic approach and are in general better at having conversations with family, helping patients come to terms with diagnosis, how to explain this to grandchildren, power of attorney, testamentary capacity, capacity to consent to medical treatment, end of life care, functional assessment, and management of behavioral and psychological symptoms of dementia with a heavy emphasis of behavioral and environmental interventions.

Management of dementia often has more to do with taking away medications rather than piling them on (e.g. is that statin or antihypertensive really necessary? what about that benzo, or oxybutinin making the patient more confused). The anticholinesterase inhibitors and memantine are very limited in what they do but sometimes they can be modestly helpful and in my area primary care doctors are not routinely using these, while neurologists are probably too liberal with them. Use of antidepressants, stimulants, anticonvulsants, neuroleptics (even though this is strongly discouraged) and benzos (even though this is often seen as a contraindication) may be used sometimes too.

About half the patients I see have a cognitive disorder including pseudodementia, HIV dementia, Alzheimer's, vascular, mixed, TBI, drug-induced dementia, FTD, and so on but this because this is my specialist interest.

But I very frequently do neurological examinations, order labs including special investigations, MRIs, EEGs, and occasionally PET and DaT scans for patients.

I think what you probably don't get yet is that most of what it takes to help patients and families with dementia has nothing to do with the neuroanatomy of brain rot (though it's cool to think about) and more to do with the psychological, social, spiritual, ethical and medicolegal dimensions of care.
 
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in general neurologists are better at diagnosing dementias, especially the early onset forms, and anyone under 40 with cognitive problems should probably be seen by a neurologist. management of dementia (as they are largely untreatable) is best done by psychiatrists who tend to take a more systematic approach and are in general better at having conversations with family, helping patients come to terms with diagnosis, how to explain this to grandchildren, power of attorney, testamentary capacity, capacity to consent to medical treatment, end of life care, functional assessment, and management of behavioral and psychological symptoms of dementia with a heavy emphasis of behavioral and environmental interventions.

Management of dementia often has more to do with taking away medications rather than piling them on (e.g. is that statin or antihypertensive really necessary? what about that benzo, or oxybutinin making the patient more confused). The anticholinesterase inhibitors and memantine are very limited in what they do but sometimes they can be modestly helpful and in my area primary care doctors are not routinely using these, while neurologists are probably too liberal with them. Use of antidepressants, stimulants, anticonvulsants, neuroleptics (even though this is strongly discouraged) and benzos (even though this is often seen as a contraindication) may be used sometimes too.

About half the patients I see have a cognitive disorder including pseudodementia, HIV dementia, Alzheimer's, vascular, mixed, TBI, drug-induced dementia, FTD, and so on but this because this is my specialist interest.

But I very frequently do neurological examinations, order labs including special investigations, MRIs, EEGs, and occasionally PET and DaT scans for patients.

I think what you probably don't get yet is that most of what it takes to help patients and families with dementia has nothing to do with the neuroanatomy of brain rot (though it's cool to think about) and more to do with the psychological, social, spiritual, ethical and medicolegal dimensions of care.

Thanks for the in-depth reply splik! I am admittedly a bit in lust with neuroanatomy (and the neuro exam to be honest) but my draw to psychiatry is the patient population and what you mentioned right there bolded above. Being at the (neuro-psych) crossroads of making the decision of which field I will pursue, I keep asking myself "where will I be the most effective?" The answer is psychiatry every time. I think my post stemmed from the internal back-and-forth regarding the pending decision.

Anyhow, I was just studying today... came across a dementia case and there was a mention of the neuro exam, labs ordered, and differentials and I thought "would I ever do this as a psychiatrist?" Which was immediately followed with "why the heck not?" Figured I throw the idea out there and see what you all thought. Glad I did. Really appreciate the responses.
 
Anyhow, I was just studying today... came across a dementia case and there was a mention of the neuro exam, labs ordered, and differentials and I thought "would I ever do this as a psychiatrist?" Which was immediately followed with "why the heck not?" Figured I throw the idea out there and see what you all thought. Glad I did. Really appreciate the responses.

Yes, absolutely. Especially if you work at VA/County and have patients with limited treatment history. Neuro or the relevant consult will likely take the ball and run with it in terms of narrowing down that differential but being able to order appropriate (and not excessive) testing is definitely something you'll do.
 
My Dad had Vascular Dementia and his treatment team was pretty multi-disciplinary. From what I could piece together from Mum he was assessed and diagnosed by either a Neuropsychiatrist or a Psychogeriatrician, as well as a Neurologist (she just called them 'brain doctors' so I worked out who was possibly who from her descriptions of the tests that were given). After diagnosis Dad's illness was managed through the family GP for general medications, a Psychiatrist for behavioural and cognitive issues as well as tracking/managing disease progression along with a Neurologist, and then various aged care Social Workers and Nursing support.
 
Thanks for the in-depth reply splik! I am admittedly a bit in lust with neuroanatomy (and the neuro exam to be honest) but my draw to psychiatry is the patient population and what you mentioned right there bolded above. Being at the (neuro-psych) crossroads of making the decision of which field I will pursue, I keep asking myself "where will I be the most effective?" The answer is psychiatry every time. I think my post stemmed from the internal back-and-forth regarding the pending decision.

Anyhow, I was just studying today... came across a dementia case and there was a mention of the neuro exam, labs ordered, and differentials and I thought "would I ever do this as a psychiatrist?" Which was immediately followed with "why the heck not?" Figured I throw the idea out there and see what you all thought. Glad I did. Really appreciate the responses.
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We're the REAL Brain Doctors. :D

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My Mum's way of differentiating between a Psychiatrist and a Neurologist was the Psychiatrist was the one who would 'just have a little chat', and the Neurologist was the one who 'put Dad in the big machine'.
 
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I treat lots in my adult patients who are MR/developmentally disabled, esp. in those with Down's at MUCH younger ages than gen population.
 
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