Do residencies allow a “chill” month for Step 3?

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In one of my rotations earlier this year, one of the residents told me how her program allows her a “chill” month to study for Step 3 where she just does a 12 hour night shift every 4th night and nothing in between. How common is this?

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Almost every residency is going to have some rotations that are less demanding. You study as much as you can on those rotations because you will have no time to do any dedicated studying on others. You may also decide to use some vacation time to study for it. I believe I scheduled Step 3 after a relatively low intensity day hospital block (psychiatry) and used one or two vacation days for dedicated study before the exam.

It would be unusual for a residency to give you any dedicated time to study for Step 3. You just study when you can.
 
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Residency is a job. You plan accordingly around it. Not the other way around. Or you may also use your vacation days.

Almost every residency is going to have some rotations that are less demanding. You study as much as you can on those rotations because you will have no time to do any dedicated studying on others. You may also decide to use some vacation time to study for it. I believe I scheduled Step 3 after a relatively low intensity day hospital block (psychiatry) and used one or two vacation days for dedicated study before the exam.

It would be unusual for a residency to give you any dedicated time to study for Step 3. You just study when you can.

So you guys are saying that the program this resident was in was unusual? I can’t go into details but it’s known to be a weak program.
 
Yes it’s unusual. Usually your light rotations are your subspecialty clinics with 8-5 schedules. That’s when most people study. The amount of study time needed is minimal though. Step 3 is easy with clinical experience.
 
I mostly studied/took it during a lighter rotation.
 
I studied on and off. There’s no dedicated like step 1/2

I took it during my clinic week so I could skip clinic
 
her program allows her a “chill” month to study for Step 3 where she just does a 12 hour night shift every 4th night and nothing in between. How common is this?

This is so unusual that I'm wondering if you may have misunderstood her, both because I've never heard of a program giving any time to study for step 3 and because this "chill month" has a very weird schedule - Q4 12 hour night shifts? Sounds simultaneously nice and awful.
 
I've never heard of dedicated Step 3 study time.

I planned to study during my radiology rotation (TY year). I ended up just enjoying my free afternoons...

If you're doing a reasonably strong internship, you usually don't need step 3 study time. Your experience/required studying for intern year is your Step 3 prep.

FM in particular shouldn't have to study at all--if they just take Step 3 towards the end of intern year then perhaps they just need to do a few Qbank sessions to get back in the hang of doing questions.

I just reviewed some peds/OB/surgery and was good to go.
 
majority of path programs i interviewed in, once you know your rotation schedule for the upcoming year, you will know which ones are lighter, and aim at studying/taking step 3 during that time. But its not a time off. Like, i am studying for it right now, because i know i will never have more time than during my M4 year. Planning to take it in summer if residency schedule allows.
 
This is so unusual that I'm wondering if you may have misunderstood her, both because I've never heard of a program giving any time to study for step 3 and because this "chill month" has a very weird schedule - Q4 12 hour night shifts? Sounds simultaneously nice and awful.

I couldn’t have misunderstood her because the 4 week resident blocks are not aligned with the 4 week med student rotations. So halfway through my rotation she had started this “chill month” and I only saw her briefly every 4th morning during sign out. She may have been doing some light research so maybe it was like an independent study month or something?
 
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I couldn’t have misunderstood her because the 4 week resident blocks are not aligned with the 4 week med student rotations. So halfway through my rotation she had started this “chill month” and I only saw her briefly every 4th morning during sign out. She may have been doing some light research so maybe it was like an independent study month or something?
Regardless of what it is it is highly uncommon and not something I would expect in any specialty
 
Regardless of what it is it is highly uncommon and not something I would expect in any specialty

That’s what I figured. From what I understand, this program had a high rate of residents with previous step/level failures so maybe it’s just structured a bit different.
 
Regardless of what it is it is highly uncommon and not something I would expect in any specialty
It’s also just not needed. I studied for like a day and realized it was just a bunch of recycled step 2 questions was like whatever.
 
It’s also just not needed. I studied for like a day and realized it was just a bunch of recycled step 2 questions was like whatever.
Also true. I did maybe 300 comquest questions over the course of 4 months intern year and then just YOLO'd Level 3 and passed ridiculously easily.
 
I've never heard of dedicated Step 3 study time.

I planned to study during my radiology rotation (TY year). I ended up just enjoying my free afternoons...

If you're doing a reasonably strong internship, you usually don't need step 3 study time. Your experience/required studying for intern year is your Step 3 prep.

FM in particular shouldn't have to study at all--if they just take Step 3 towards the end of intern year then perhaps they just need to do a few Qbank sessions to get back in the hang of doing questions.

I just reviewed some peds/OB/surgery and was good to go.
Yep. I did a single practice clinical scenario just so I'd know how it worked.
 
What about taking Step 3 right after graduating medical school and before intern year of residency? Is the test passable with fresh Step 2 knowledge?
 
What about taking Step 3 right after graduating medical school and before intern year of residency? Is the test passable with fresh Step 2 knowledge?
There is no point in paying for this expensive test and taking it early when you can wait and have your residency pay for it. Unless you're taking it because you wouldn't be able to match without it.
 
What about taking Step 3 right after graduating medical school and before intern year of residency? Is the test passable with fresh Step 2 knowledge?
The problem is that you HAVE to already have your degree to apply for test (after May 20th for example if that’s when your graduation is), snd it can take up to 12 weeks for the organization to verify your educational credentials. And the residency starts aboit 6 weeks after graduation. So you just won’t have enough time
 
What about taking Step 3 right after graduating medical school and before intern year of residency? Is the test passable with fresh Step 2 knowledge?

You could take it before intern year starts but it's really the last free time you'll have for a while so I would recommend you enjoy it instead of spending it studying for a test you only really need to pass. Also depending on your school schedule and when residency starts (which can be earlier than July 1 in some programs with orientation, etc) you might not have too much time. My peds residency recommended we take it early in intern year as it's pretty adult heavy and we only lose that stuff the more we go into residency so I took it in August with my first clinic rotation.
 
The problem is that you HAVE to already have your degree to apply for test (after May 20th for example if that’s when your graduation is), snd it can take up to 12 weeks for the organization to verify your educational credentials. And the residency starts aboit 6 weeks after graduation. So you just won’t have enough time

It usually doesn't take 12 weeks but it can be a tight timeline if you have a later than average graduation day and earlier than average residency start time.
 
It usually doesn't take 12 weeks but it can be a tight timeline if you have a later than average graduation day and earlier than average residency start time.
Awesome ! I am hoping to take it between - my residency is pathology and contributes nothing to successful test prep Hahshs . It would be amazing to just focus on residency and know that your test days are behind
 
In one of my rotations earlier this year, one of the residents told me how her program allows her a “chill” month to study for Step 3 where she just does a 12 hour night shift every 4th night and nothing in between. How common is this?
Very program dependent. Some will accommodate, while some of the of the more malignant programs won't care at all. However, in residency you're essentially mandated by ACCGME to have 3-4 weeks of vacation per year so some people may just use vacation time. Depending in your specialty Step 3 could be low stakes and can be treated like P/F. But if you plan on going for a competitive fellowship (eg IM from lower tier program going from GI) then would not treat it as P/F.
 
Awesome ! I am hoping to take it between - my residency is pathology and contributes nothing to successful test prep Hahshs . It would be amazing to just focus on residency and know that your test days are behind
Ummm... I think the American Board of Pathology might have something to say about that. Doubly so if they are doing the MOC that most of the rest of us are doing.
 
Ummm... I think the American Board of Pathology might have something to say about that. Doubly so if they are doing the MOC that most of the rest of us are doing.
you know what i meant. i meant NBME boards 1-3 . after step 3 i will only do specialty related stuff. thank god.
 
But….. why? Live your life man. I haven’t graduated yet but even I understand that those 5-6 weeks in between are better spent enjoying your life before intern year hell, no?
I think those 6 weeks are probably less special for me since I have spent a fair amount of time enjoying life. What I really don't want is to come home from a long day at the hospital during intern year and say "wow, I would really like to sit down with my girlfriend and my dog, perhaps have a bee.... oh wait I have to study broad swaths of medicine that aren't specialty related." I think my life would be less stressful without step three looming. Just a thought. If I'm going to fail step three if I take it too early, then sure... but if I am able to pass step three at the end of fourth year I am inclined to take it.
 
I think those 6 weeks are probably less special for me since I have spent a fair amount of time enjoying life. What I really don't want is to come home from a long day at the hospital during intern year and say "wow, I would really like to sit down with my girlfriend and my dog, perhaps have a bee.... oh wait I have to study broad swaths of medicine that aren't specialty related." I think my life would be less stressful without step three looming. Just a thought. If I'm going to fail step three if I take it too early, then sure... but if I am able to pass step three at the end of fourth year I am inclined to take it.
This is exactly what I am thinking . From what I understand- with some prep you can totally take it right after M4
 
This is exactly what I am thinking . From what I understand- with some prep you can totally take it right after M4
Not right after as you do have to jump through some hoops to schedule the test and some of those require a medical school diploma and a public notary IIRC but you should be able to schedule it prior to your residency start date if it's not too early. Mine was about 2 weeks prior to July 1st, IIRC.
 
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How are some people able to take step in med school? I heard on a Kaplan podcast with IM program directors from the NY/NJ area that some people have step 3 scores when applying to residency.
 
Plus possibly moving, setting up utilities, getting a new drivers license, all that stuff
God I hate moving …. My top choice is very far … ahhhh eeeewww .

I talked to my top choice residency , they said they recommend to take the test asap and their local center is open on Saturdays , so I’ll try to shoot for that (we don’t work Saturdays ) . Something for others to consider too ! Saturday is an option
 
I honestly didn't. I'd much rather retake Step 3 than retake my FM board exam.
honestly i know NOTHING about FM boards, - but i genuinely hate regular medicine, so anything with that is a big no for me. I am a type of person (nerdy science introvert) who is MEANT to do pathology. for me M3 year was hell. So i cant wait to put regular medicine behind me and just focus on path.
 
honestly i know NOTHING about FM boards, - but i genuinely hate regular medicine, so anything with that is a big no for me. I am a type of person (nerdy science introvert) who is MEANT to do pathology. for me M3 year was hell. So i cant wait to put regular medicine behind me and just focus on path.
I would suspect its universally true that specialty boards are more difficult than Step 3. I only know from FM and IM (wife) and both of those were much harder than Step 3.

But if are the type of person who likes knowing every single detail in a narrower area, that might make specialty boards more pleasant than more general exams.
 
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I would suspect its universally true that specialty boards are more difficult than Step 3. I only know from FM and IM (wife) and both of those were much harder than Step 3.

But if are the type of person who likes knowing every single detail in a narrower area, that might make specialty boards more pleasant than more general exams.
yeah i am definitely that type of person. Plus i am truly obsessed with pathology. So i am so excited hahahahha
 
How are some people able to take step in med school? I heard on a Kaplan podcast with IM program directors from the NY/NJ area that some people have step 3 scores when applying to residency.
The only requirement when not a resident is a medical school diploma, with some extra steps if it’s outside the US, and an attestation from your school that you’re good to take it (this is a one page template available publicly from NBME/NBOME).

It’s extremely common in the NY/NJ because of the immensely large numbers of foreign graduates and acts as an additional filter.

HOWEVER, your level/step 3 will forever have an * next to it.
 
I would suspect its universally true that specialty boards are more difficult than Step 3. I only know from FM and IM (wife) and both of those were much harder than Step 3.

But if are the type of person who likes knowing every single detail in a narrower area, that might make specialty boards more pleasant than more general exams.
Pathology is the least “narrow” field in medicine (FM is probably #2).
 
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