DO residency = death?

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1) No, not true. You can be in any hospital.
2) Very Common

Now that youve asked a question thats been answered a 1000x....let the flame war begin.
 
the answer to your question is no. an example would be nova's derm residency at broward general. this residency is unfunded which means the residents only get 10,000 in salary and they only accept around 2-3 people per year. i talked to last year's graduates and they were getting job offers starting at 300,000K with incentives each year. not too shabby. go where you think you will be happy and where you will learn the most.

MOZ D.O.
 
something close to 90% of TCOM grads go allopathic for their residency.

I don't know the exact figure, but it is really high.

Part of that is because there are only 2 osteopathic hospitals in Texas and a handful of resident spots each year and most people want to stay in Texas for one reason or another. The other reason is that our grads tend to do really well on USMLE and are pretty competitive for allopathic residency spots.
 
Just as an example for JKDMed, the ob-gyn that delivered my beautiful daughter was a DO that completed his ob-gyn residency at an osteopathic program and works at an allopathic hospital.

Boy, it would really suck if you could only work at an osteopathic hospital after an osteopathic residency. Do you know how many osteopathic hospitals there are in the whole country? Not too many at all, and most are very small. Besides, all osteopathic hospitals have essentially mixed staff in them (DO's and MD's) working side-by-side.
 
Originally posted by JKDMed
Is it true that, after doing a DO residency, you can only work in osteopathic hospitals? Or can you be employed in any hospital?

Also, how common is it for DOs to get MD residencies?

I am just curious as to where you heard this rumor in the first place.

From some MD-gunner-wannabe premed or an ignorant university advisor? Seems to be the only 2 groups out there still throwing this crap around.

Yeah...I said it...crap! 😉
 
BTW...approximately 1/2 of all graduating DOs nationwide will enter an allopathic (ACGME) residency program rather than an osteopathic (AOA) program.

Most site reasons such as location and training quality.
 
I am just curious as to where you heard this rumor in the first place. From some MD-gunner-wannabe premed or an ignorant university advisor? Seems to be the only 2 groups out there still throwing this crap around.
JPH my friend you are the one throwing cr@p around. Unfortunately there are a small but definite number of places where you cannot be an attending unless you have completed an ACGME residency. Join the real world. I don't make this up - I am just letting you know how life outside the friendly confines of PCOM is.

bobo
 
Originally posted by bobo
[BJPH my friend you are the one throwing cr@p around. Unfortunately there are a small but definite number of places where you cannot be an attending unless you have completed an ACGME residency. Join the real world. I don't make this up - I am just letting you know how life outside the friendly confines of PCOM is.
bobo [/B]

I have never heard of such a place. Since most states have the state medical board license the DOs (some have osteopathic licensing boards), it doesn't matter, as long as you are indeed board certified. True, you may not be able to work in a hospital if you have only done the DO internship, but as long as you are board certified by the state, there is nothing one can say that will bar you from the hospital unless you slept with the Chief of Staff's daughter (be you an MD or a DO).

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Originally posted by bobo
Unfortunately there are a small but definite number of places where you cannot be an attending unless you have completed an ACGME residency.

Where are these places??
 
Not to knock your statement, I would just really like to see a list and to see where the hospital's policy is documented.

Since you stated it as fact, i am sure that you have the information at your fingertips and it should be no problem to share it.

THANKS!
 
Originally posted by bobo
I am just curious as to where you heard this rumor in the first place. From some MD-gunner-wannabe premed or an ignorant university advisor? Seems to be the only 2 groups out there still throwing this crap around.
JPH my friend you are the one throwing cr@p around. Unfortunately there are a small but definite number of places where you cannot be an attending unless you have completed an ACGME residency. Join the real world. I don't make this up - I am just letting you know how life outside the friendly confines of PCOM is.

bobo

bobo

I have corresponded with you several times in the past regarding similar issues so I dont brush off what you say, but rather request more information. What hospitals do you need the ACGME stamp? If there is a decently long list I would surely like to know before planning rotations and residency ideas around my current perception.

Thanks.

JP
 
I knew I would get questioned on my statement. The fact of the matter is that there is no reason in the world that I would make this up. The name of the actual hospital itself is of little consequence. I spoke very briefly early one morning with a DO fellow. I started the conversation because he is a DO and I am a DO student ? I stated there are not too many of us around here to get the conversation going. He stated he had been to a number of different places in the country and this was the first time he had encountered this. He had been an attending before he came to do a fellowship. Went to school in Michigan. Don?t know where he did residency or practiced. His pager kept going off so we really only chatted briefly. Later I recounted this to another DO student on rotation with me (same department, different service). He said he had spoken with the Chair of the Dept. (a very well known and respected figure). Basically he told him the same thing. They were discussing residency opportunities since this student was interested in going into the field of the particular service we were on (I was not). As a side note there are DO attendings, residents and fellows in this program. This chair was old-school kinda crusty AOA honors ticket on his wall kinda guy. He liked the DO?s he had a lot.

Anyway, my initial reaction was that this policy was pretty dumb. And it probably is. Then I got to thinking about some of the hospitals I have rotated through and how there residents and their training programs are. Mercy Suburban for instance. Decent little community hospital. Terrible morning report, which is for all services, very weird. Interns at times would read a case directly out of a journal. No attendings present. No noon conference. VERY limited pathology. I also realize that there are some great DO training programs and some crappy MD ones. My point is that, IMHO, DO residency training programs are not up to snuff in a lot of ways. That is most of them. I know there are excellent ones out there in a number of fields.

Here?s the thing. Don?t discount what I am saying just because you don?t believe it or youv?e never witnessed it firsthand. Open your eyes. Discrimination is everywhere in society. Age, gender, socioeconomic status, color, creed, religion, size, looks, etc. are all the basis of discrimination in society today. Who is not to say that DO?s aren?t discriminated against in some part of society?

Bobo
 
Originally posted by sophiejane
something close to 90% of TCOM grads go allopathic for their residency.

I don't know the exact figure, but it is really high.

Part of that is because there are only 2 osteopathic hospitals in Texas and a handful of resident spots each year and most people want to stay in Texas for one reason or another. The other reason is that our grads tend to do really well on USMLE and are pretty competitive for allopathic residency spots.
So you're saying it's quite common for a DO graduate to get an allopathic residency, but ONLY if they take the USMLE in addition to the COMLEX??? DO's can't get allopathic residencies without the USMLE? Does everyone else agree with that?
 
I didn't say that they can't get allo residencies without the USMLE. All I said was that a lot of people here take it and do well and go on to allo residencies (and osteo residencies, but in fewer numbers, for reasons explained in my earlier post)

I am by no means an authority on the subject, so please don't take it out of context.
 
Actually, I wasn't being sarcastic, but really did want to know, since I am sort of new to all this. Just how important is it for a DO to take the USMLE, in addition to the COMLEX, in order to get a good allopathic residency?
 
I'd suggest you start a new thread and ask that question. It is a good question and you will get plenty of informed responses, but it might get buried here at the end of this thread, besides, it really is a new topic not directly related to this one.

Good luck.
 
Originally posted by sophiejane
I'd suggest you start a new thread and ask that question. It is a good question and you will get plenty of informed responses, but it might get buried here at the end of this thread, besides, it really is a new topic not directly related to this one.


Hardly a new topic.

A search of the past posts will undoubtedly bring up tons of results. This topic has been discussed to death.
 
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