DO Residency Question

[eanisis78]

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is it true living in New York that if you place in a DO residency it automatically adds a whole extra year. (for ex.. MD peds is 3 years and DO peds is 4 years)
thanks

 

[Taus]

not true at all

 

[Flea girl]

Actually, unless the residency is fast-tracked there is an extra year for going do. For example, im 3yrs in md residency but for a do residency you need to do 4years. Because you need to do a traditional rotating year for all do residencies. Again, unless it is a fast-track program. Does not matter which state the residency program is in. I think you get the same time if your are going into a field that has a ty year built in it(ie rads, anes, psych, etc) Hope this helps! This was one of the reasons why I choose to go with an md residency. Atleast this is my understanding. If someone else knows that it is different let us know.

 

[MikeyLu2010]

isnt the traditional rotating internship only required for the 5 notorious states?

 

[Flea girl]

isnt the traditional rotating internship only required for the 5 notorious states?

Yes, but that only has to do with your medical license in those states. However, all DO residencies require you do an rotating internship unless it is a fast-track residency which incorporates the rotating intership into your first year of residency. Not all DO residencies are fast-tracked.

 

[OSUdoc08]

isnt the traditional rotating internship only required for the 5 notorious states?

It's required in most AOA programs, regardless of state.

The 5 states are the ones that require the internship EVEN IF you do an ACGME residency.

 

[nvshelat]

Yes, but that only has to do with your medical license in those states. However, all DO residencies require you do an rotating internship unless it is a fast-track residency which incorporates the rotating intership into your first year of residency. Not all DO residencies are fast-tracked.

Which leaves one to wonder why the hell would you not apply for the MD residency... 😕

 

[OSUdoc08]

Which leaves one to wonder why the hell would you not apply for the MD residency... 😕

Because sometimes DO residencies are more of a "guaranteed in." Another factor is location (i.e. if you have a family.)

 

[eanisis78]

okay i'm still a little confused.
how do you know if you are able to do a fast track or not??
i know i have to stay in long island/5 boroughs for my residency (or at least try to) but i am old and really do not want to do a whole extra year. so how do you know what you are actulaly getting and what you are applying for ... is it listed somewhere.
so i figued you had to have done an md residency to get out of the extra year. but then with md residencies.. the way i understand it is that if you are scared of not matching with md and you do DO then you are stuck. but if you try for md and do not match.. what happens to you????

 

[Flea girl]

okay i'm still a little confused.
how do you know if you are able to do a fast track or not??
i know i have to stay in long island/5 boroughs for my residency (or at least try to) but i am old and really do not want to do a whole extra year. so how do you know what you are actulaly getting and what you are applying for ... is it listed somewhere.
so i figued you had to have done an md residency to get out of the extra year. but then with md residencies.. the way i understand it is that if you are scared of not matching with md and you do DO then you are stuck. but if you try for md and do not match.. what happens to you????

Whether or not the program is fast-track depends on the residency program. I am not sure if there is a list that shows if a program is fast-track or not. But I think there is, just can't remember where I saw it. I would try checking out do-online website. So, I decided to go with md residency, I matched at my first choice in ob/gyn. My reasons were 1) location 2) fellowships(I am pretty sure I want to do a fellowship and I just felt I would have a better chance comming from a AGME residency) 3) extra year. These are my reasons granted you can get exempt from the rotating internship from the AOA, hearing different stories on how easy or how difficult it will be. But I am going to try for it but if I don't get it, that is okay as well. Not trying to slam anyone but really have no desire to ever live in the 5 states that want it. Again, with md match really depends on what you are intersted in doing. Gen Surg, Derm, URO, ENT, OPTHO, etc are tough sells but impossible but you really need to be stellar to land those spots as a DO student in the md match hell, even for some md students those are hard spots to land. What year are you? What are you intersted in? Have you taken boards? Hope this helps.

 

[OSUdoc08]

okay i'm still a little confused.
how do you know if you are able to do a fast track or not??
i know i have to stay in long island/5 boroughs for my residency (or at least try to) but i am old and really do not want to do a whole extra year. so how do you know what you are actulaly getting and what you are applying for ... is it listed somewhere.
so i figued you had to have done an md residency to get out of the extra year. but then with md residencies.. the way i understand it is that if you are scared of not matching with md and you do DO then you are stuck. but if you try for md and do not match.. what happens to you????

The same thing as every MD in the match. You scramble.

 

[wook]

The same thing as every MD in the match. You scramble.

And if you don't match in the scramble, you try to get into a transitional year. This scenario is less apt to occur in the less competitive specialties, but is more likely to occur in the very competitive specialties.

Wook

 

[eanisis78]

okay so in pediatrics??? possible to get an MD residency and only have the three years???

 

[Taus]

absolutely....either do an AOA residency w/ the internship included or an MD program w/o planning on working in the 5 states that require an internship (and/or petition the first year of your residency to count as your AOA internship). Another (and relatively common) route is for the specialties that require an internship/transitional year for both MD's and DO's.
In this situation you can do your AOA internship for the first year, go to the MD program for the remaining years and have a win-win situation.

Bottom line: Most DO's do NOT end up doing an extra year of training for most specialties....the majority of DO's find a way around it.

 

[Flea girl]

okay so in pediatrics??? possible to get an MD residency and only have the three years???

Totally doable.

 

[Krazykritter]

One more thing though to the OP...Many of the DO residency programs have your first year integrated as the traditional year. For example, a DO general surgery residency is 5 years (same as MD). Your intern year counts, as a catergorical, counts for your rotational year. So in these programs this does not really add a year to the residency.

 

[Flea girl]

One more thing though to the OP...Many of the DO residency programs have your first year integrated as the traditional year. For example, a DO general surgery residency is 5 years (same as MD). Your intern year counts, as a catergorical, counts for your rotational year. So in these programs this does not really add a year to the residency.

Those are the fast-track programs.