"DO schools are more competitive than MD Schools"

[Neopolymath]

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Threads like this made by man-child OP are why myself and my other non-trad brothers have to sit through mandatory interprofessional courses in real life.

Also, I would put money on having a higher mcat than you lol.

 

[Dr. Janitor]

All I am saying is one thing leads to another. Dr. Mike's video goes viral and all of sudden incompetent patients refuse treatment by MDs and want DO doctors because "we do not treat the whole patient" and that "DO schools better educate their students compared to MD schools, also DO students are smarter than MD bc they are more competitive". SAD!!! Nip it in the bud.

1) Patient Autonomy....look it up.
2) Do you seriously think that you're more competent than any DO based solely on your undergrad performance? If so, I'll refer you to the First Aid page on Personality Disorders.
3) I can't wait to see the thread you start the first time a patient asks to see a NP/PA instead of you (at least then you might actually have some ground to argue on)

 

[Dr. Janitor]

Threads like this made by man-child OP are why myself and my other non-trad brothers have to sit through mandatory interprofessional courses in real life.

Also, I would put money on having a higher mcat than you lol.

Exactly. Every time I have to sit through one of those epic time wasters I find myself wondering, "Isn't this common sense? Who the hell acts like this/doesn't understand social norms?".....apparently it's OP, Hippocrates reincarnated, the same guy with a 7.0 GPA and 1 Million MCAT score.

 

[imtheman25]

I am done arguing, clearly I seem to be the only one upset by this..... maybe I do need to reflect on my motivations and should stop comparing my degree to others.

 

[Skiiiiiing]

All I am saying is one thing leads to another. Dr. Mike's video goes viral and all of sudden incompetent patients refuse treatment by MDs and want DO doctors because "we do not treat the whole patient" and that "DO schools better educate their students compared to MD schools, also DO students are smarter than MD bc they are more competitive". SAD!!! Nip it in the bud.

This reads like one of Trump's tweets.

 

[drkube]

 

[WingedOx]

When he says more competitive he is referring to the number of applicants per seat, not the scores. Listening skills.

...which is an intellectually dishonest spin.

I mean, if you're type of person who'd consider this f-ckstick who's been building his media career while a resident at some community FM program as a go-to on medical expertise, you're not the type of person who could interpret a statement like that honestly.

 

[Coltuna]

...which is an intellectually dishonest spin.

I mean, if you're type of person who'd consider this f-ckstick who's been building his media career while a resident at some community FM program as a go-to on medical expertise, you're not the type of person who could interpret a statement like that honestly.

Gah this part of your post just really derailed the rest of your statement for me... You realize there are plenty of great doctors who prefer to do residency in a community that resembles their future practice setting right?

 

[imtheman25]

...which is an intellectually dishonest spin.

I mean, if you're type of person who'd consider this f-ckstick who's been building his media career while a resident at some community FM program as a go-to on medical expertise, you're not the type of person who could interpret a statement like that honestly.

Most people are not taking his crap given the comments.......

"MD's and D.O.s are not the same. MDS medical schools are much more rigorous that's why MD's are accepted to residencies with higher frequency. That's like saying a nurse practitioner is basically the same thing as a D.O. don't get me wrong D.O.s do a great job, but hearing a D.O. explain how there's no difference is like hearing a community college professor explain how there's no difference between him and a Yale professor"

 

[neoevolution]

I know several individuals in medical school who were accepted into both allopathic and osteopathic schools and chose the osteopathic one. That will likely be myself this cycle. I agree MDs are way more competitive but I don't like when people refer to DO as a backup or lesser. For me it's just about the treatment approach and advocating prevention (my undergrad degree is in Nutrition Science/Dietetics.) At the end of the day, MDs and DOs both make competent physicians and patients will get the treatment and help they need.

How does DO really teach this differently? Public health is a big part of our preclinical curriculum at MD schools and you can go into Family Medicine or preventative medicine specialties from either route. I don't really get this attitude that only DOs can see the entire patient and prevent disease. Our MD school and hospital serve a huge population of urban underserved patients, and we emphasize that social understanding approach from day one.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

MDS medical schools are much more rigorous that's why MD's are accepted to residencies with higher frequency.

Lol

How does DO really teach this differently? Public health is a big part of our preclinical curriculum at MD schools and you can go into Family Medicine or preventative medicine specialties from either route. I don't really get this attitude that only DOs can see the entire patient and prevent disease. Our MD school and hospital serve a huge population of urban underserved patients, and we emphasize that social understanding approach from day one.

They don’t, it’s a sales pitch.

 

[deleted645092]

...which is an intellectually dishonest spin.

I mean, if you're type of person who'd consider this f-ckstick who's been building his media career while a resident at some community FM program as a go-to on medical expertise, you're not the type of person who could interpret a statement like that honestly.

Obviously it's dishonest to make it sound like they are more competitive applicants as opposed to having more applicants per spots just because there are fewer schools, but ultimately it is a sales pitch for him obviously. Everyone puts spin, I go to a DO school and have to listen to it every day when the deans talk about "how optimistic they are about the merger".

In the end whether you are a DO or MD student you shouldn't be wasting time listening to a guy like this anyways.

 

[mcloaf]

For me it's just about the treatment approach and advocating prevention (my undergrad degree is in Nutrition Science/Dietetics.)

Not to derail the thread, but I hope you have additional, non Kool Aid related reasons for choosing DO over MD.

 

[imtheman25]

...which is an intellectually dishonest spin.

I mean, if you're type of person who'd consider this f-ckstick who's been building his media career while a resident at some community FM program as a go-to on medical expertise, you're not the type of person who could interpret a statement like that honestly.

Agreed with dishonest spin...another comment lol

"You are being slightly dishonest here. Some of my favorite former attendings have been D.O.s, but there are clear differences in prestige between the two degrees. How many of the US News Top Research or Primary Care Schools are D.O. Programs, compared to M.D. programs? Moreover, compare the average MCAT scores for D.O. vs M.D. programs. Who has higher entering MCAT scores: students at PCOM or UPenn? Additionally, you should address that if you want into an allopathic residency as a D.O., you also have to take the USMLE in addition to the COMLEX, as the COMLEX alone does not suffice. Moreover, whether its fair or not, I know of multiple department heads and program directors that specifically try to fill with M.D.s applicants, as it would "look bad" to take a D.O., specifically at academic residency programs in research intensive fields. Fair or not, that bias still exists in 2017. While there is nothing wrong with a D.O. degree (I know many great D.O.s), its essentially understood that if you ace the MCATs, have a stellar GPA, and publications as a undergraduate, you should shoot for a "13 school consortium"/US News Top 20 M.D. program. If you don't, your adviser tells you to do a post-bacc program or apply to a D.O. school. Not trying to be inflammatory with this post, just honest for anyone reading this and applying this current cycle."

https://accounts.google.com/Service...e_signin=true&next=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvHn6pers97Q

 

[deleted245139]

All I am saying is one thing leads to another. Dr. Mike's video goes viral and all of sudden incompetent patients refuse treatment by MDs and want DO doctors because "we do not treat the whole patient" and that "DO schools better educate their students compared to MD schools, also DO students are smarter than MD bc they are more competitive". SAD!!! Nip it in the bud.

But... What's with the trump-esque tone?

 

[WingedOx]

Obviously it's dishonest to make it sound like they are more competitive applicants as opposed to having more applicants per spots just because there are fewer schools, but ultimately it is a sales pitch for him obviously. Everyone puts spin, I go to a DO school and have to listen to it every day when the deans talk about "how optimistic they are about the merger".

In the end whether you are a DO or MD student you shouldn't be wasting time listening to a guy like this anyways.

Well I'm generally in the "physicians shouldn't be intellectually dishonest, regardless of degree" camp.

DOs and DO students are hurt by the amount of bullsh-t peddled by the true believers in osteopathic leadership, and they shouldn't be tolerating it.

 

[WisNeuro]

Well I'm generally in the "physicians shouldn't be intellectually dishonest, regardless of degree" camp.

DOs and DO students are hurt by the amount of bullsh-t peddled by the true believers in osteopathic leadership, and they shouldn't be tolerating it.

Hey now, that expensive placebo is necessary to practice "holistic" medicine.

 

[imtheman25]

Well I'm generally in the "physicians shouldn't be intellectually dishonest, regardless of degree" camp.

DOs and DO students are hurt by the amount of bullsh-t peddled by the true believers in osteopathic leadership, and they shouldn't be tolerating it.

Agreed! I honestly do not comprehend how OMT can tx CHF, as stated by Dr. Mike. Where is the evidence based medicine?

 

[Event_Horizon]

Could we not, please. Thanks.

 

[814965]

0/10 **** troll attempt

 

[Skiiiiiing]

But... What's with the trump-esque tone?

Make MD great again. We're gonna build a wall with those grade replacers!

 

[WingedOx]

Hey now, that expensive placebo is necessary to practice "holistic" medicine.

Reading the Journal of the American Osteopathic Association is an interesting rabbit hole if you want to find some good psychiatric diagnoses to treat with OMM...

I'd be frustrated as hell if I was associated with that. Bread and butter psychiatry already has its own issues.

 

[Skiiiiiing]

Agreed with dishonest spin...another comment lol

"You are being slightly dishonest here. Some of my favorite former attendings have been D.O.s, but there are clear differences in prestige between the two degrees. How many of the US News Top Research or Primary Care Schools are D.O. Programs, compared to M.D. programs? Moreover, compare the average MCAT scores for D.O. vs M.D. programs. Who has higher entering MCAT scores: students at PCOM or UPenn? Additionally, you should address that if you want into an allopathic residency as a D.O., you also have to take the USMLE in addition to the COMLEX, as the COMLEX alone does not suffice. Moreover, whether its fair or not, I know of multiple department heads and program directors that specifically try to fill with M.D.s applicants, as it would "look bad" to take a D.O., specifically at academic residency programs in research intensive fields. Fair or not, that bias still exists in 2017. While there is nothing wrong with a D.O. degree (I know many great D.O.s), its essentially understood that if you ace the MCATs, have a stellar GPA, and publications as a undergraduate, you should shoot for a "13 school consortium"/US News Top 20 M.D. program. If you don't, your adviser tells you to do a post-bacc program or apply to a D.O. school. Not trying to be inflammatory with this post, just honest for anyone reading this and applying this current cycle."

Since USNR rankings are the best way to measure what a good doctor is?

Since anyone is really arguing that DO>MD?

This is red hat bollox.

If your ego is really this sensitive to any potential affront, I don't know what field you can go into without constantly walking around being outraged.

 

[QueenJames]

LOL at OP's "I did not bust my butt in undergrad and post grad so that DO students can say they are more competitive. SAD!!


Who gives a damn? Seriously? That's what is bothering you?

Jesus christ I hate med students.

 

[WisNeuro]

Reading the Journal of the American Osteopathic Association is an interesting rabbit hole if you want to find some good psychiatric diagnoses to treat with OMM...

I'd be frustrated as hell if I was associated with that. Bread and butter psychiatry already has its own issues.

Oh, I've been down that rabbit hole. Years ago, a colleague of mine asked me about some of the empirical basis of OMM techniques. What a bunch of terribly designed studies and shoddy statistics. Luckily, my DO friends readily acknowledge that it's mostly BS and focus on actual medicine.

 

[WingedOx]

Oh, I've been down that rabbit hole. Years ago, a colleague of mine asked me about some of the empirical basis of OMM techniques. What a bunch of terribly designed studies and shoddy statistics. Luckily, my DO friends readily acknowledge that it's mostly BS and focus on actual medicine.

I went down that rabbit hole after I inherited a patient from a recently deceased former dean emeritus of one of the older and more well-respected DO schools who published all kinds of idiotic studies about the good that OMM could do for a number of psychiatric conditions.

He had the patient on 80-100 mg of methylphenidate per day for years while the patient was hypomanic bordering on full mania, including in my office. That was a fun visit that I certainly did not wrap up within the alloted appointment time.

 

[VincentAdultman]

Agreed with dishonest spin...another comment lol

"You are being slightly dishonest here. Some of my favorite former attendings have been D.O.s, but there are clear differences in prestige between the two degrees. How many of the US News Top Research or Primary Care Schools are D.O. Programs, compared to M.D. programs? Moreover, compare the average MCAT scores for D.O. vs M.D. programs. Who has higher entering MCAT scores: students at PCOM or UPenn? Additionally, you should address that if you want into an allopathic residency as a D.O., you also have to take the USMLE in addition to the COMLEX, as the COMLEX alone does not suffice. Moreover, whether its fair or not, I know of multiple department heads and program directors that specifically try to fill with M.D.s applicants, as it would "look bad" to take a D.O., specifically at academic residency programs in research intensive fields. Fair or not, that bias still exists in 2017. While there is nothing wrong with a D.O. degree (I know many great D.O.s), its essentially understood that if you ace the MCATs, have a stellar GPA, and publications as a undergraduate, you should shoot for a "13 school consortium"/US News Top 20 M.D. program. If you don't, your adviser tells you to do a post-bacc program or apply to a D.O. school. Not trying to be inflammatory with this post, just honest for anyone reading this and applying this current cycle."

I'm glad you're finding your much-sought validation in the YouTube comments section.

 

[WisNeuro]

I went down that rabbit hole after I inherited a patient from a recently deceased former dean emeritus of one of the older and more well-respected DO schools who published all kinds of idiotic studies about the good that OMM could do for a number of psychiatric conditions.

He had the patient on 80-100 mg of methylphenidate per day for years while the patient was hypomanic bordering on full mania, including in my office. That was a fun visit that I certainly did not wrap up within the alloted appointment time.

Well, hopefully you gave the poor guy a .5 QID dose of Xanax to level him out 😉

 

[VincentAdultman]

I know several individuals in medical school who were accepted into both allopathic and osteopathic schools and chose the osteopathic one. That will likely be myself this cycle. I agree MDs are way more competitive but I don't like when people refer to DO as a backup or lesser. For me it's just about the treatment approach and advocating prevention (my undergrad degree is in Nutrition Science/Dietetics.) At the end of the day, MDs and DOs both make competent physicians and patients will get the treatment and help they need.

Yeah I wouldn't do that.

 

[Lucca]

Closing thread on tired topic