Do schools check disciplinary records?

[Holdon1]

i have a mark that was deleted from my academic record, including transcript, after taking an integrity course. I was told it would not show up on my academic record after taking the course and it only affected my grade a little. To my knowledge, most schools check official transcripts. Do schools check disciplinary records after acceptance?

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[BorntobeDO?]

i have a mark that was deleted from my academic record, including transcript, after taking an integrity course. I was told it would not show up on my academic record after taking the course and it only affected my grade a little. To my knowledge, most schools check official transcripts. Do schools check disciplinary records after acceptance?

Sounds like its not on a transcript therefore not visible. The school would have to call your previous school to investigate further than looking at a transcript. I wouldn't worry about it, they are processing thousands of apps and hundreds of acceptances, they aren't digging that much unless your previous school gave them a reason too.

 

[pstrick]

Sounds like you didn't learn anything in that integrity course.

 

[Goro]

i have a mark that was deleted from my academic record, including transcript, after taking an integrity course. I was told it would not show up on my academic record after taking the course and it only affected my grade a little. To my knowledge, most schools check official transcripts. Do schools check disciplinary records after acceptance?

Yes. It's called due diligence.

 

[TeddyBoomBoom]

Yes. It's called due diligence.

C’mon man.... don’t tell me med schools are checking anything at the applicants’ undergrad schools beyond what’s in the transcripts.

I don’t believe that’s true...

 

[Goro]

C’mon man.... don’t tell me med schools are checking anything at the applicants’ undergrad schools beyond what’s in the transcripts.

I don’t believe that’s true...

For acceptees they do. AND hours for ECS are randomly checked. That's why we ask for contact info.

It's very dangerous to engage in the "they'll never do that" or even worse the " they don't have time for that" mindset.

 

[radian313]

i have a mark that was deleted from my academic record, including transcript, after taking an integrity course. I was told it would not show up on my academic record after taking the course and it only affected my grade a little. To my knowledge, most schools check official transcripts. Do schools check disciplinary records after acceptance?

So how would you answer this question on a secondary application?

Have you ever been subjected to any disciplinary action from your institution? If yes, please explain.

You know exactly where I am going with this. Im going to tell you right now, the world of academia is very small, people know people. Word gets out.

As @Goro said, "due diligence"

 

[Goro]

So how would you answer this question on a secondary application?

Have you ever been subjected to any disciplinary action from your institution? If yes, please explain.

You know exactly where I am going with this. Im going to tell you right now, the world of academia is very small, people know people. Word gets out.

As @Goro said, "due diligence"

You would be surprised how many times we reject people after candidates get outed by LOR writers who write "Holdon1 has grown so much as a person since the X incident"

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

i have a mark that was deleted from my academic record, including transcript, after taking an integrity course. I was told it would not show up on my academic record after taking the course and it only affected my grade a little. To my knowledge, most schools check official transcripts. Do schools check disciplinary records after acceptance?

If it's deleted from your record and not on your transcript, it doesn't exist. A school cannot just contact your school and demand to get documents of a record that has been deleted. They don't have the legal permission to do so since you have a right to privacy. I remember in undergrad if your parents wanted to see your grades you needed to sign a document allowing them permission to know anything. If your school honestly deletes it, your record doesn't exist. Don't listen to Goro. He's faculty, so he's self-interested and will tell you stuff that doesn't exist. I laugh at the idea that they'll call 400+ schools from their accepted pool to try to acquire documents illegally.

 

[radian313]

If it's deleted from your record and not on your transcript, it doesn't exist. A school cannot just contact your school and demand to get documents of a record that has been deleted. They don't have the legal permission to do so since you have a right to privacy. I remember in undergrad if your parents wanted to see your grades you needed to sign a document allowing them permission to know anything. If your school honestly deletes it, your record doesn't exist. Don't listen to Goro. He's faculty, so he's self-interested and will tell you stuff that doesn't exist. I laugh at the idea that they'll call 400+ schools from their accepted pool to try to acquire documents illegally.

I understand your point of view and respect it.

However Im curious to hear your thoughts if one is asked the questioned on whether they were disciplined through their institution for various disciplinary reasons?

Thanks.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

I understand your point of view and respect it.

However Im curious to hear your thoughts if one is asked the questioned on whether they were disciplined through their institution for various disciplinary reasons?

Thanks.

Deleting the record implies that the school has forgiven the student and it's as if "it never happened." I don't think there's anything dishonest in saying "no." It's the same we do in the legal system when we expunge criminal records.

 

[radian313]

Deleting the record implies that the school has forgiven the student and it's as if "it never happened." I don't think there's anything dishonest in saying "no." It's the same we do in the legal system when we expunge criminal records.

Till the employer states "this includes expunged records". Not sure man, I will have to disagree on that one. Ive been a justice for the honor committee at the various institutions Ive been at including medical school, and honesty has always been the deciding factor in many cases. Just my 2 cents.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

Till the employer states "this includes expunged records". Not sure man, I will have to disagree on that one. Ive been a justice for the honor committee at the various institutions Ive been at including medical school, and honesty has always been the deciding factor in many cases. Just my 2 cents.

I have never heard of employers doing that. I have heard of law/medical schools doing that. From what I know, the law still allows you to say "no" as they don't have a right to circumvent the law. It defeats the purpose if you have to say yes. An expungement makes it clear when you actually have to say "yes" which are things like getting a state license, running for office or working for the lotto.

Law section

The order shall state, and the probationer shall be informed, that the order does not relieve him or her of the obligation to disclose the conviction in response to any direct question contained in any questionnaire or application for public office, for licensure by any state or local agency, or for contracting with the California State Lottery Commission.

I'm all for honesty, but let's stop kidding ourselves here. If you have a criminal record or an IA, you are pretty much done for. Sure, you'll find that unicorn that got in with a felony and an IA, but it's not realistic.

 

[radian313]

I have never heard of employers doing that. I have heard of law/medical schools doing that. From what I know, the law still allows you to say "no" as they don't have a right to circumvent the law. It defeats the purpose if you have to say yes. An expungement makes it clear when you actually have to say "yes" which are things like getting a state license, running for office or working for the lotto.

I'm all for honesty, but let's stop kidding ourselves here. If you have a criminal record or an IA, you are pretty much done for. Sure, you'll find that unicorn that got in with a felony and an IA, but it's not realistic.

Employers are actually doing it left and right, in fact a good friend of mine who is a pilot was asked that very specific question. It didnt work out for him, and then another person who was asked that during an interview for a surgical tech position. Probably not AS common, but it def. does happen.

Anyhow, I believe on this juncture we are swaying away from the OP's original question and thats the last thing I want to do. Lets just hope OP has learned their lesson and not to repeat whatever was done that got them in this position.

Thank you for your input.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

Employers are actually doing it left and right, in fact a good friend of mine who is a pilot was asked that very specific question. It didnt work out for him, and then another person who was asked that during an interview for a surgical tech position. Probably not AS common, but it def. does happen.

Anyhow, I believe on this juncture we are swaying away from the OP's original question and thats the last thing I want to do. Lets just hope OP has learned their lesson and not to repeat whatever was done that got them in this position.

Thank you for your input.

Sorry for polluting the thread more. I found this:

Labor Code Sections 432.7 and 432.8, and Fair Employment Housing Commission regulations prohibit employers from requesting information concerning the following:

1. Arrests that have not resulted in a conviction;
2. Convictions that have been expunged, sealed, or statutorily eradicated;
3. Convictions in which the applicant was referred to or successfully participated in any pretrial or posttrial diversion program;
4. Misdemeanors for which probation has been successfully completed or otherwise discharged, and the case has been judicially dismissed; and
5. A marijuana-related misdemeanor that occurred more than two years ago.

It may only apply to California.

 

[radian313]

Sorry for polluting the thread more. I found this:


It may only apply to California.

Interesting find. This was out of NJ and this was something asked on the application. I think its just one of those things, if you get asked, well you were one of the unlucky ones.

 

[BorntobeDO?]

Sorry for polluting the thread more. I found this:


It may only apply to California.

Many online employment applications include questions that are not legally allowed to be asked, or that you are not required legally to disclose but you cannot advance beyond that point without answering them. I am not sure how to stop this widespread abuse but I agree with albino hawk that if your school agreed to delete it, it didn't happen. Disclosing it would completely invalidate the point of the school removing the action.