DO schools should become MD

[willen101383]

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[jvesco22]

Yup. Its easy to be a tough guy on the internet. Until you meet the guy in person and realize hes 6'2" 220 pounds and can throw up over 300 on flat bench.

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[sylvanthus]

I think the system is fine the way it is. Those who can, go MD, those who can't go DO. Please don't give people BS about how you "chose" DO.

The nice thing is that the very, very top DO students (who take all steps of the USMLE and ace them) deserve the allopathic residency spots they get. I have no problem with that. Rock on. You've earned it.

The growing problematic trend I've seen is that the non-top 0.5% of DO students are now vying for competetive spots.

The vast majority of DO students (who were Allo rejects) feel they deserve spots in allopathic anesthesia/rads/ortho/derm etc programs even with subpar board scores. Ridiculous. They shouldn't even be allowed to apply.

If you choose to go DO, you should be content with primary care and rural medicine, unless you're in the top 0.5% or so and can prove yourself on the USMLE.

Ehhh I had a 36 MCAT and only applied to DO programs because I bought into the philosophy (which later turned out to be largely BS), so no offense but you are dead wrong.

 

[willen101383]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

You'll be laughing all the way to the gym 👍

 

[jvesco22]

You'll be laughing all the way to the gym 👍

 

[BassCaster]

sdn should start displaying verified names and schools attended on top of a screen name. all this bickering would end. whenever I see e-threats on sdn i just giggle like a little school girl inside. i always picture a typical 4 eyed, skinny pre-med nerd typing away, pouding his little fingers on top of each letter/key with anger.

or, we should list verifiable martial arts experience and bench presses so we all know what we're getting ourselves into in case we actually meet the person in real life

 

[jvesco22]

sdn should start displaying verified names and schools attended on top of a screen name. all this bickering would end. whenever I see e-threats on sdn i just giggle like a little school girl inside. i always picture a typical 4 eyed, skinny pre-med nerd typing away, pouding his little fingers on top of each letter/key with anger.

or, we should list verifiable martial arts experience and bench presses so we all know what we're getting ourselves into in case we actually meet the person in real life

It's cool man. I train UFC. I just got a certified 3rd Degree Black Belt

 

[Siggy]

I'd like it. There would be a lot more MD schools for vain people like myself to apply to.

Seriously, I didn't apply to DO schools simply because i don't want "DO" after my name for the rest of my life.

...but if you apply to DO, you won't ever have to fill out the AMCAS.

 

[willen101383]

It's cool man. I train UFC. I just got a certified 3rd Degree Black Belt

Cool man. Ive been doin BJJ for a few years on the side...good workout. At any rate, this thread is going nowhere. You said it to me and I will say it back, good luck with the rest of your education, and I hope you too are admitted to a med school of your liking.

 

[BassCaster]

sorry

 

[Daedra22]

This thread has ceased to have a point. It began as a serious discussion, I don't know if y'all noticed.

 

[willen101383]

This thread has ceased to have a point. It began as a serious discussion, I don't know if y'all noticed.

My fault, I was trying to post seriously until someone decided to attempt to call my credentials into question. Sorry!

 

[BassCaster]

sorry. didn't mean to make this a martial arts thread lol. post deleted!

 

[willen101383]

sorry. didn't mean to make this a martial arts thread lol. post deleted!

I guess I will delete my post about throwin up 300+ on bench as well 😀

 

[BassCaster]

I guess I will delete my post about throwin up 300+ on bench as well 😀

HAHAHAHAHA! Props! I also throw up 300+ on bench. Wish we were class mates. I'm confident we'd get along pretty damn well.

 

[willen101383]

HAHAHAHAHA! Props! I also throw up 300+ on bench. Wish we were class mates. I'm confident we'd get along pretty damn well.

Haha I dont know if you were being serious or not..damn internet! 😀 I cant throw up anything right now however...damn tendonitis!

 

[JaggerPlate]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm9L60YBj3s&feature=related


This solves the issue.

 

[MSSM2013]

it only bothers me when allo residencies take students with only their COMLEX score, a test which features super star such as cranio-osteopathy.

 

[avatarftw]

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[Daedra22]

it only bothers me when allo residencies take students with only their COMLEX score, a test which features super star such as cranio-osteopathy.

While I've heard that OMM isn't a huge feature on the COMLEX, I think that it would be nice if we had one standard test instead of two, with perhaps an extra section on OMM for osteopathic students. It seems silly to me that DO's have to take an entire second test if they plan on applying to only ACGME residencies anyway. I mean, I'll do it when I get to that point--it's extra work that's worth it--but it still seems unnecessary.

 

[avatarftw]

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[willen101383]

While I've heard that OMM isn't a huge feature on the COMLEX, I think that it would be nice if we had one standard test instead of two, with perhaps an extra section on OMM for osteopathic students. It seems silly to me that DO's have to take an entire second test if they plan on applying to only ACGME residencies anyway. I mean, I'll do it when I get to that point--it's extra work that's worth it--but it still seems unnecessary.

It isnt silly really IMO. It would be an apples to oranges type of thing. While I get pretty serious in my support for DOs and DO schools...I support "the MD side" on this. We are lucky we are allowed to match into ACGME residencies in the first place, considering the reciprocity isnt there.

 

[JaggerPlate]

In general, DO matriculants have lower GPAs and MCATs (substantially lower, in fact). However, there are people with high GPAs and MCATs that go DO and others with low GPAs and low MCATs accepted to MD schools.

My MCAT is a humble 32, but it is higher than many people that are currently attending my state MD school. My GPA is competitive for MD schools.

Also, the GPA of an applicant can be misleading. It may hurt some people's feelings, but the top tier colleges should be, in general, more difficult than colleges with less stringent entrance statistics. I'm not saying that they are less intelligent, but maybe worse test takers.

For example, a psychology major is generally much easier than a engineering degree/science degree. Thus the GPA may not be indicative of hard work/intelligence.

Fair statement. It's hard to argue that on AVERAGE the DO matriculation number is lower than MD, quite a bit actually (DO is like 3.45/26, MD is 3.5/30 maybe 3.6/31 now, dunno). However, I personally think the DO average is pulled down by the large number of new schools affecting the overall average of a smaller sect of schools. DO schools seem to pop up a LOT lately and usually have much lower averages. I know I personally interviewed at 5 +, well established DO schools, and heard '3.5/28' at every interview. Take it as you will, but I think it's safe to say that well established DO schools are closing the gap number wise and that there are exceptions all over. I plan on attending a DO school next year, and have a 30 ++ MCAT, and I know two people attending DO schools with high to mid 20 MCATs.

 

[JaggerPlate]

it only bothers me when allo residencies take students with only their COMLEX score, a test which features super star such as cranio-osteopathy.

Hahaha, pretty valid. If it's any consolation, almost all DO students applying to MD residencies do take and perform well on USMLE. The ACGME residencies that take COMLEX are usually primary care or dually accredited residencies.

 

[willen101383]

In general, DO matriculants have lower GPAs and MCATs (substantially lower, in fact). However, there are people with high GPAs and MCATs that go DO and others with low GPAs and low MCATs accepted to MD schools.

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Thanks for the respectable post. Look at my situation for example. I went through undergrad and as Ive posted before had about a 2.45 GPA. In the years after I graduated I got my act together and realized I needed to buckle down academically. In graduate school I had a 3.7...in much harder (in my experience) courses. You average that together and get somewhere like a 2.8X, which is what I applied with. MOST MD schools screened me pretty quick bc my cGPA didnt meet the criteria for further review. MOST DO schools actually realized that I did a masters program and did well...and chose to acknowledge the improvement. MD programs are more numbers based...no two ways about it. I wonder how much my type of situation occurs with DO schools to drive those averages down.

 

[howelljolly]

I think the system is fine the way it is. Those who can, go MD, those who can't go DO. Please don't give people BS about how you "chose" DO.

The nice thing is that the very, very top DO students (who take all steps of the USMLE and ace them) deserve the allopathic residency spots they get. I have no problem with that. Rock on. You've earned it.

The growing problematic trend I've seen is that the non-top 0.5% of DO students are now vying for competetive spots.

The vast majority of DO students (who were Allo rejects) feel they deserve spots in allopathic anesthesia/rads/ortho/derm etc programs even with subpar board scores. Ridiculous. They shouldn't even be allowed to apply.

If you choose to go DO, you should be content with primary care and rural medicine, unless you're in the top 0.5% or so and can prove yourself on the USMLE.

Crock, crock, and double-crock.

1. Some got rejected from allopathic schools, some did not. Believe it or not people choose DO over MD. The reasons might sound like a crummy idea to you - e.g staying in one location, but if the applicant believes it, its not BS.

2. Is that so? You did a survey?

3. Thats complete BS. You have no business telling people what they should be "content with", especially when they are functional educated members of society, and not deadbeats looking for handouts. And content with Primary Care and Rural Medicine?
So you're saying that's the bottom of the barrel? Isn't Primary Care the cornerstone of healthcare? If Primary Care was delivered properly, wouldn't people be healthier, and less taxpayer money would need to be spent on damage control in the cath lab?

You seem like an MD who feels entitled to a high paying non-clinical specialty just because you had a high GPA when you were 21 years old.

 

[howelljolly]

Hahaha, pretty valid. If it's any consolation, almost all DO students applying to MD residencies do take and perform well on USMLE. The ACGME residencies that take COMLEX are usually primary care or dually accredited residencies.

Thats what I noticed

 

[willen101383]

You have toolbags in every class. We definitely have them. And, as pointed out to me, since I went to a private undergrad my tolerance for toolism is much lower according to some classmates.

Yipee!!! Cant wait!

 

[thepoopologist]

There's never a point to these threads.

 

[Gotaro]

My point is, if the argument is that DOs are treating the whole patient (head, fingers, knees, toes) then what is the MD treating? Just the fingers? The thing that people are trying to pull out is that DOs treat the soul of the patient as well. And they are not. In that sense, the holistic side of DO isnt treating any more of the whole patient than the MD.

Is this true? I noticed the particularly religious pre-med folk I encountered were applying DO. I figured it was just one of those "country, Southern" things and didn't think too much into it, but what you said would make perfect sense!