Do stats hold weight after interview?

[sorham]

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When going to an interview do your stats (MCAT and GPA etc.) still matter much, or do they pretty much decide according to how well the interview goes, whether they like you etc.? I guess the question comes down to are all interviewees considered equal once they get to the interview part of the application? Sorry if this has already been discussed, I read through a lot of the older posts and couldn't find this answer.

 

[air bud]

i think it depends on where you are interviewing. Overall, I would think that your stats are enough to get you the interview, and your actual performance there says if you get in. Specifically, it may also depend on where you interview. Some schools have open file and some haved closed file interviews. Closed means that the people interviewing you have not seen your file, so it doesnt matter what your stats were. I know when i interviewed last year at AZpod it was closed file. DMU is open i believe, and I know scholl was last year. I didnt even get asked any legitimate questions at the scholl interview. The guy knew nothing about me except for my stats and said I was in. No questions about my past, why podiatry or what are my interests.

 

[dyk343]

Temple boasts that: 282 people were interviewed, and 237 were accepted. So that's roughly an 85% acceptance rate after an interview.

Not sure what others thoughts are on this, but its stated in an invite packet right in front of me under frequently asked questions.

 

[NormColeman4MN]

Temple boasts that: 282 people were interviewed, and 237 were accepted. So that's roughly an %85 acceptance rate after an interview.

Not sure what others thoughts are on this, but its stated in an invite packet right in front of me under frequently asked questions.

So pretty much don't say "I have feets fetish" and you're golden. I read people get accepted there until August. Big class size and seats = money for some of these schoolz.

 

[ldsrmdude]

I copied this from another thread:
Last year
617 applicants for 110 seeats, of applying 282 interviewed, 237 accepted.
78% bio majors
64% male
So, even though 85% of those interviewed got accepted, they only interviewed around 45% of the applicants. It sounds like if you make it past the initial screening and get an interview, chances are pretty good that you will get in.

 

[dyk343]

I copied this from another thread:
Last year
617 applicants for 110 seeats, of applying 282 interviewed, 237 accepted.
78% bio majors
64% male
So, even though 85% of those interviewed got accepted, they only interviewed around 45% of the applicants. It sounds like if you make it past the initial screening and get an interview, chances are pretty good that you will get in.

im sure they offered more than 282 interview invites. Alot of people will not show up, decide on another school before interview, or get into MD/DO/DDS school. But yeah if you get an interview invite it looks like you have more than a decent shot at acceptance... at least at temple.


whats more interesting is that after a student gains acceptance to temple... less than 50% take the acceptance and matriculate at that school...

I read on here somewhere that DMU will deny people based on a bad interview process... if i remember correctly, that was from one of the 4th year students who was involved with the interview process.

 

[SkipeeB]

I read on here somewhere that DMU will deny people based on a bad interview process... if i remember correctly, that was from one of the 4th year students who was involved with the interview process.

I would think that any school would deny you if you bombed your interview. Or at least put you on the Alternate (but seriously never going to happen) List

 

[Bearsfosho]

Temple doesnt look so good when you see their numbers of inteviews offered and students accepted. I mean it seems as if you apply and get the nod in the initial review your basically in. Anyone?

 

[NormColeman4MN]

Temple doesnt look so good when you see their numbers of inteviews offered and students accepted. I mean it seems as if you apply and get the nod in the initial review your basically in. Anyone?

They accept the GRE and DAT...enough said

 

[Bearsfosho]

Is accepting Dat and Gre really that bad? I mean they are both standardized tests just like the Mcat. Which school do you attend Norman?

 

[that1guyfromFL]

Is accepting Dat and Gre really that bad? I mean they are both standardized tests just like the Mcat. Which school do you attend Norman?

The objection that Norm and a lot of us have boils down to the fact that the DAT is the dental admissions test and the GRE is a generic test typically given to Master's applicants.

We are applying to Podiatric Medical school and therefore should be required to take the Medical College Admissions Test, as applicants of all other schools of medicine are required to do.

There is quite a bit to read on this topic, if you are interested just run a search .

 

[dyk343]

Im just curious what the 15% of interviewees said to get denied acceptance...?

 

[215353]

Im just curious what the 15% of interviewees said to get denied acceptance...?

I feel that if you are offered an interview and still were not accepted it was either because you:

- bombed the interview
- were un-professional throughout the interview day
- were unknowingly "on the fence" to begin with and were not impressive/ convincing enough during the interview

anybody else have any other thoughts?

 

[DaveApple]

I wouldn't necessarily be so quick to harp on Temple (seems common on this forum). The bottom line is that if you apply yourself and are active in your education the ease of acceptance at the school isn't an issue. If you apply yourself and work hard you can do well at any school.

If you're a pre-pod that reads this forum my advice is to go where you fit best. If that is Temple, go to Temple. If it is another school go there. Plenty of quality podiatric physicians graduate from each of the schools each year.

The number of quality grads may or may not be based on the stats of the people that matriculate but I assure you if you try your hardest you'll be alright in the end.

 

[air bud]

daveapple, you bring up good points. yes it is true that you can be successful at any school. But lets be honest, the way things work often(whether you like it or not), is that you are often judged on your worst students, not your best. When we see some school with a 73 percent pass rate, we say, "wow, 27 percent of the class didnt pass??????", not "wow, 73 percent did a good job and passed."

 

[Sig Savant]

What schools are even getting such low pass rates?? I'm pretty sure NYCPM's was 98.6 last year.

 

[NormColeman4MN]

What schools are even getting such low pass rates?? I'm pretty sure NYCPM's was 90 last year, and Temple was right behind in the upper 80s.

NYCPM had a first time pass rate of 90 percent last year? Wasn't the national average like 81 % or so. DMU, Arizona, and Scholl are all above 90 for sure. Which homely schools are dragging the rates down? There's gotta be one in the 70's besides ohio.

 

[air bud]

just got an email today. DMU class of 2011 first time rate was 98 and the one person who did not pass the first time passed the october exam, so 100 total.

 

[Bearsfosho]

Where are the stats on avg pod student gpa and their board passing rates for the different schools?
Is there a website that posts these numbers? Are the schools the only source for it?

Wow Norm just slammed Ohio.😱 Anyone who goes to Ohio come on down.

 

[DaveApple]

You'll probably have to contact the schools individually to get statistics like that. It wouldn't be in any schools best interests from a marketing standpoint to advertise information that may be taken in a slightly negative light.

 

[that1guyfromFL]

yes it is true that you can be successful at any school. But lets be honest, the way things work often(whether you like it or not), is that you are often judged on your worst students, not your best.

The attendings I have spoken to were very aware that not every student is going to be a star.

A poor performance by a sub par student has no bearing on their opinion of future students from the same program.


Work hard, prove yourself as an individual, you will be fine. 👍

Edit:

Attendings and PD are smart enough to judge you on the basis of your individual knowledge base, clinical skills, work ethic, etc.

Pedigree is not part of the assessment process, according to the attendings I have spoken with.

 

[Sig Savant]

I stand corrected, NYCPM boasts a 98.6% pass rate, the highest in the country.

 

[215353]

I stand corrected, NYCPM boasts a 98.6% first time pass rate, the highest in the country.

When I interviewed at NYCPM in October, Lisa Lee (dean of admissions) presented to us that last year's first time pass rate was 88-89% (they were still waiting on some results).

Maybe you are reporting the total pass rate for the student body (first and second time taking the boards)?

 

[air bud]

The attendings I have spoken to were very aware that not every student is going to be a star.

A poor performance by a sub par student has no bearing on their opinion of future students from the same program.


Work hard, prove yourself as an individual, you will be fine. 👍

Edit:

Attendings and PD are smart enough to judge you on the basis of your individual knowledge base, clinical skills, work ethic, etc.

Pedigree is not part of the assessment process, according to the attendings I have spoken with.

that is good to know that attendings feel that way. My original statement wasn't being specific. I guess it is more applicable to pre-pods, current students and the like, not attendings. Don't get me wrong, just because somebody goes to school X which is considered a good school doesnt mean they are smart or are going to be a good pod. There are people in my class here at DMU that I have a hard time viewing as some day being an authoritative figure. I was just telling somebody yesterday about this, and I do think it is something that is readily apparent and any attending will quickly figure out. I hope for nothing but the best for them, but I think they have a longer way to go than others may hav.e

 

[that1guyfromFL]

Don't get me wrong, just because somebody goes to school X which is considered a good school doesnt mean they are smart or are going to be a good pod....and I do think it is something that is readily apparent and any attending will quickly figure out. I hope for nothing but the best for them, but I think they have a longer way to go than others may have

No worries, I understand where you are coming from. 👍

 

[NormColeman4MN]

Where are the stats on avg pod student gpa and their board passing rates for the different schools?
Is there a website that posts these numbers? Are the schools the only source for it?

Wow Norm just slammed Ohio.😱 Anyone who goes to Ohio come on down.

It's not slamming, it's called a fact. Scholl, DMU, Arizona all above 90% for sure. It's funny you never see Ohio, Barry, or Cali make their numbers public. Always situations where you must ask (and most times they just tell you OVERALL pass rates, not first time)

 

[that1guyfromFL]

It's not slamming, it's called a fact. Scholl, DMU, Arizona all above 90% for sure. It's funny you never see Ohio, Barry, or Cali make their numbers public. Always situations where you must ask (and most times they just tell you OVERALL pass rates, not first time)

I just don't understand how board passing rates correlate to quality of education at a certain school.

If anything, board passing rates correlate to the quality of students a school accepts. (The issue of admissions standards and practices is another discussion altogether)

Bottom line, IMO you can learn everything you need to know anywhere you are. Work hard. 👍

Edit:
Norm, I saw what you posted in another thread I wanted to add this:

I DO agree that a school with a low pass rate and a large number of 4.0 students is likely not providing a challenging enough curriculum.

However, a school with a low/avg number of 4.0 students and a low pass rate IMO is likely handling things the correct way, i.e. not watering down the curriculum based on the students abilities.

 

[air bud]

I just don't understand how board passing rates correlate to quality of education at a certain school.

If anything, board passing rates correlate to the quality of students a school accepts. (The issue of admissions standards and practices is another discussion altogether)

Bottom line, IMO you can learn everything you need to know anywhere you are. Work hard. 👍

Edit:
Norm, I saw what you posted in another thread I wanted to add this:

I DO agree that a school with a low pass rate and a large number of 4.0 students is likely not providing a challenging enough curriculum.

However, a school with a low/avg number of 4.0 students and a low pass rate IMO is likely handling things the correct way, i.e. not watering down the curriculum based on the students abilities.

While there is a lot of truth to this argument, there is a correlation. Schools are responsible also. I dont feel like writing much about this, but if it were 100 percent up to the student, why not just have a podiatry degree handed out by the university of phoenix...have everybody just do self-study online?

Also, shouldn't the school either be like the caribbean schools and not let students take the test until they are confident they can pass...or just kick them out and say we don't want your money? It is not always black and white.

 

[that1guyfromFL]

While there is a lot of truth to this argument, there is a correlation. Schools are responsible also. I dont feel like writing much about this, but if it were 100 percent up to the student, why not just have a podiatry degree handed out by the university of phoenix...have everybody just do self-study online?

Well, there are programs that are almost entirely self study in format. For example, Lake Erie COM has an independent learning pathway that is just you and the books and a pat on the back!
Whether this is an effective way to educate a physician is probably very heavily dependent on the individual, but the fact is those students still have to pass COMLEX to get licensed. It would be very interesting to see the board scores for students from the Independent vs Problem Based Learning vs Lecture formats. I know that PBL has shown some very strong board score results in recent years.

Also, shouldn't the school either be like the caribbean schools and not let students take the test until they are confident they can pass...or just kick them out and say we don't want your money?

Good point here.
It sure seems like schools would try something like this, at least with students who clearly aren't ready for boards if for no other reason than to improve their overall first time pass rates.

I think the problem is that they do want their money.

 

[NormColeman4MN]

I just don't understand how board passing rates correlate to quality of education at a certain school.

If anything, board passing rates correlate to the quality of students a school accepts. (The issue of admissions standards and practices is another discussion altogether)

Bottom line, IMO you can learn everything you need to know anywhere you are. Work hard. 👍

Edit:
Norm, I saw what you posted in another thread I wanted to add this:

I DO agree that a school with a low pass rate and a large number of 4.0 students is likely not providing a challenging enough curriculum.

However, a school with a low/avg number of 4.0 students and a low pass rate IMO is likely handling things the correct way, i.e. not watering down the curriculum based on the students abilities.

This doesn't exist in the real poddy world. Good schools, regardless of size, will have high pass rates on the boards. Look at scholl, 2x the amount of students as DMU and still above 90%.

Anyone know Barry's first time pass rate??? As I mentioned, I have NEVER heard a number. It's gotta be scary then...

 

[that1guyfromFL]

This doesn't exist in the real poddy world. Good schools, regardless of size, will have high pass rates on the boards. Look at scholl, 2x the amount of students as DMU and still above 90%.

What doesn't exist?

I don't see how this relates to what you quoted from me.

 

[Bearsfosho]

Well Norm it is slamming when you say Ohio must be one of the homely schools around 70% passing rate and studywithfury says during his interview the dean told him the number is 92%. Look up definition of slander.

 

[air bud]

Well Norm it is slamming when you say Ohio must be one of the homely schools around 70% passing rate and studywithfury says during his interview the dean told him the number is 92%. Look up definition of slander.

no, look up gullible. Don't believe everything you hear, no matter what school. Semantics...

EDIT: saw the other thread. so if an actual student has an email saying 80% and the dean just told somebody 92%, aren't there some questions that need to be asked???

 

[Bearsfosho]

So you really think a dean would jeopardize her position and causing issues with the board for her school about lying and stuffing the board pass rate by a few points? If she was to do it then why not say 100%

 

[air bud]

So you really think a dean would jeopardize her position and causing issues with the board for her school about lying and stuffing the board pass rate by a few points? If she was to do it then why not say 100%

no, not at all, i am just saying it is an issue of semantics...

but why does a current student say he has an email saying 80%?

 

[janV88]

I noticed that a lot of people are throwing out percentages without noting which board exam it is for. Remember that Podiatry students take a part 1 and a part 2 of the NBPME. So that OCPM pass rate might be 80% for part 1 and 92% part 2...

 

[Bearsfosho]

well it could just be that students class who has the low rate. I mean the passing rate does very year to year at a school as it has been discussed here before. Also maybe its just that class who wasnt prepared for the boards. I dont think a school is to blame fully for something like that. Studying and preparing for a big exam falls on the students. I am speaking from experience regarding the mcat. Your undergrad school will only help you so much and the rest is on you. I took prep courses and used guides. Unfortunately my result wasnt taht great but I will just have to live with it.

janv makes a good point so anyone whos gonna post numbers should double check their sources and note which exam the rate is for.

 

[air bud]

well it could just be that students class who has the low rate. I mean the passing rate does very year to year at a school as it has been discussed here before. Also maybe its just that class who wasnt prepared for the boards. I dont think a school is to blame fully for something like that. Studying and preparing for a big exam falls on the students. I am speaking from experience regarding the mcat. Your undergrad school will only help you so much and the rest is on you. I took prep courses and used guides. Unfortunately my result wasnt taht great but I will just have to live with it.

janv makes a good point so anyone whos gonna post numbers should double check their sources and note which exam the rate is for.

this argument doesn't hold water here. The schools job is to prepare you for boards. You don't pass, you don't continue years 3/4 and they don't get their tuition money. An undergrad institution doesnt give a crap about helping you do well on the MCAT.

 

[air bud]

also, as brought up in another thread, Scholl supposedly had a very busy schedule for certain students in the time period right before the part 1 exam. that doesnt seem to be very helpful.

 

[Bearsfosho]

well i guess you didnt attend an undegrad where their health professionals office didnt give a crap about you passing the mcat. And im not trying to make a false argument just a different point of view to help understand the discrepancies in the numbers posted

 

[janV88]

this argument doesn't hold water here. The schools job is to prepare you for boards. You don't pass, you don't continue years 3/4 and they don't get their tuition money. An undergrad institution doesnt give a crap about helping you do well on the MCAT.

You are correct. It is the podiatry schools job to teach for the board exams...since board exams test minimum competency. This is not the case in undergrad.

 

[air bud]

well i guess you didnt attend an undegrad where their health professionals office didnt give a crap about you passing the mcat. And im not trying to make a false argument just a different point of view to help understand the discrepancies in the numbers posted

sure they cared, but nobody's job depended on it.

 

[dyk343]

sure they cared, but nobody's job depended on it.

...

 

[NormColeman4MN]

So you really think a dean would jeopardize her position and causing issues with the board for her school about lying and stuffing the board pass rate by a few points? If she was to do it then why not say 100%

Maybe the dean told the kid OVERALL pass rate on the boards. This is always high as it include the spaz kidz who failed the 1x 2x. Of course the score is in the 90's, 3rd times the charm!

Or simply she may have said the 1st time pass rate on part 2.

OCPM and Barry won't announce their scores outright. Temple seems to be in the same boat - maybe they are more honest I don't know.

 

[Bearsfosho]

Ok so since you dont know, I wouldnt speculate as much as you do. Tell you what as a favor to you, myself and everyone here I will call a few schools and get their numbers. So look for those in a couple days.

 

[NormColeman4MN]

Ok so since you dont know, I wouldnt speculate as much as you do. Tell you what as a favor to you, myself and everyone here I will call a few schools and get their numbers. So look for those in a couple days.

Iight bro do that. Ask for first time pass rates and post on here.

 

[Bearsfosho]

As I have already posted in another threat, Barry first time last year 87 and the year before 92. Source: Amy Rodriguez, recruiter/admissions. She doesnt know the average student GPA so I have to talk to some dean from student records about that which I will soon.

 

[dtrack22]

As I have already posted in another threat, Barry first time last year 87 and the year before 92. Source: Amy Rodriguez, recruiter/admissions. She doesnt know the average student GPA so I have to talk to some dean from student records about that which I will soon.

That's amazing how a program can improve first time pass rates from 79% in 2007 (from the mouth of a former Barry student)...
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=5964123&highlight=azpod+pass+rate#post5964123

...up to 87% in one year, then to 92% the following year all while attracting essentially the same caliber of student 🙄 Oh, and somehow the national average stayed the same through those 3 years...wonder whose scores dropped significantly enough for that math to work out 😕