Do they test for PEDs in med schools?

[LebLlama]

I know some school have an initial drug screening before you start. Do they have any after that point? Do they test for PEDs?

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[cliquesh]

What does PEDs stand for? When you are on your clerkships during your 3rd and 4th year each individual hospital may require a new urine test or back ground check.

I was never tested until I started residency, though.

 

[NeuroLAX]

Lol, wow... not to my knowledge. What sort of PEDs are you thinking?

 

[NeuroLAX]

What does PEDs stand for? When you are on your clerkships during your 3rd and 4th year each individual hospital may require a new urine test or back ground check.

I was never tested until I started residency, though.

Performance Enhancing Drugs

 

[pre med 2014]

No they only do a 10 panel urine screen of controlled substances and alcohol

Unless you are using aderall for Mental enhancement you won't get caught.

What are you taking? EPO for endurance sports or steroids for body building? Roflmao

 

[LebLlama]

PED= performance enhancing drugs

And I'm specifically inquiring about anabolic steroids. Like D-bol and such.

 

[Ost3oclast]

PED= performance enhancing drugs

And I'm specifically inquiring about anabolic steroids. Like D-bol and such.

D-bol is nasty dude, same with deca. Yuck!

 

[eyebrowdoc]

if they do im fked

 

[HopefulReapp]

You gotta throw in some winnie too, OP

 

[chizledfrmstone]

Reminds me of this commercial for a show where some guy tried to get rabies because it would give him an edge when playing football.

 

[Back 5]

Why use the juice? Just lift, get strong and don't worry about it.

 

[csx]

Why use the juice? Just lift, get strong and don't worry about it.

Bro...do you even lift?

 

[Poliscidoc]

Nobody thought about adderall?

From a premed/med standpoint adderall would be way more of a PED than dbol,
Winnyv, or my personal favorite anavar.

Now if they did test for adderall or any of the similar drugs I think a lot of students would be SOL



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[pre med 2014]

Nobody thought about adderall?

From a premed/med standpoint adderall would be way more of a PED than dbol,
Winnyv, or my personal favorite anavar.

Now if they did test for adderall or any of the similar drugs I think a lot of students would be SOL



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Aderall shows up on a drug test. It's amphetamine.

 

[Poliscidoc]

Aderall shows up on a drug test. It's amphetamine.

So does weed but that doesn't prevent people from getting baked in the parking lot before the test


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[pepes1lv1a]

So does weed but that doesn't prevent people from getting baked in the parking lot before the test


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I work at a hospital and adderall showed up on my pre-hire urine screen. I had to prove I had an rx for it. Probably the same with med school.

 

[IH8ColdWeath3r]

I work at a hospital and adderall showed up on my pre-hire urine screen. I had to prove I had an rx for it. Probably the same with med school.

Yeah. It shouldn't be a problem. I had a screening by a psychologist and he did some additional testing and provided a report to my physician saying that I would be a good candidate for it. My brother had been taking it for almost 2 years before me because he has MAJOR ADD and he responded well to the medicine. He was able to focus more in high school and his grades improved from failing to the C-B range.

I started taking it towards the end of high school and took myself off of the medication during my senior year of college because I just hated the side effects (not eating, my hands feeling sweaty, especially when I had to do tutoring sessions, palpitations when lying down), even though I was taking a pretty low dosage. I am hoping to not take it during medical school, but, if say I revert back to my old ways in high school and have a hard time concentrating in med school, do you think the medical school would be okay with it? I have a report from my psychologist and old pill bottles with my name on them.

 

[pre med 2014]

You will be ok, adderall is socially accepted for performance enhancement but not for recreational use. It's arbitrary but you won't have any problems if you need it for med school.

 

[Dr.TurkandJD]

I really doubt they test for Adderall and like drugs in med school. A lot of people are taking them and many of them have prescriptions.

Let's say they do test, and you have a prescription, will it be frowned upon that you take it? Will residencies or clinical sites care that you are taking it (with an Rx)?

 

[Procyon]

Why use the juice? Just lift, get strong and don't worry about it.

+1. Steroids can do nasty things to you OP, be dedicated and don't be a cheater. 😉

 

[pepes1lv1a]

I wish I could get myself off the stuff. I actually think it impairs my learning. I end up wanting to copy entire pages of notes instead of actually thinking about the subject at hand, and I'm always anxious. I've been taking it for four-five years now and if I miss a day I just sleep for hours on end. Not conducive to 12 hour hospital shifts and early-morning classes :/

Yeah. It shouldn't be a problem. I had a screening by a psychologist and he did some additional testing and provided a report to my physician saying that I would be a good candidate for it. My brother had been taking it for almost 2 years before me because he has MAJOR ADD and he responded well to the medicine. He was able to focus more in high school and his grades improved from failing to the C-B range.

I started taking it towards the end of high school and took myself off of the medication during my senior year of college because I just hated the side effects (not eating, my hands feeling sweaty, especially when I had to do tutoring sessions, palpitations when lying down), even though I was taking a pretty low dosage. I am hoping to not take it during medical school, but, if say I revert back to my old ways in high school and have a hard time concentrating in med school, do you think the medical school would be okay with it? I have a report from my psychologist and old pill bottles with my name on them.

 

[pre med 2014]

I really doubt they test for Adderall and like drugs in med school. A lot of people are taking them and many of them have prescriptions.

Let's say they do test, and you have a prescription, will it be frowned upon that you take it? Will residencies or clinical sites care that you are taking it (with an Rx)?

No they won't care if you have a prescription but it does show up on a drug screen. As has already been established in this thread.

 

[Dr.TurkandJD]

No they won't care if you have a prescription but it does show up on a drug screen. As has already been established in this thread.

If you have an Rx, it shouldn't matter if it showed up on a drug screen. According to HIPPA, the drug testing place can't report to the employer that they found amphetamines because you had an Rx for it, so there is nothing out of the ordinary.

my question is for people who are med students/residence, who were drug tested, but had Rx and/or the site or residency found out about it, if it was frowned upon?

 

[IH8ColdWeath3r]

I wish I could get myself off the stuff. I actually think it impairs my learning. I end up wanting to copy entire pages of notes instead of actually thinking about the subject at hand, and I'm always anxious. I've been taking it for four-five years now and if I miss a day I just sleep for hours on end. Not conducive to 12 hour hospital shifts and early-morning classes :/

This. This is why I took myself off of it in college and I am going to try really hard not to take it in med school.

 

[HopefulReapp]

If you have an Rx, it shouldn't matter if it showed up on a drug screen. According to HIPPA, the drug testing place can't report to the employer that they found amphetamines because you had an Rx for it, so there is nothing out of the ordinary.

my question is for people who are med students/residence, who were drug tested, but had Rx and/or the site or residency found out about it, if it was frowned upon?

This doesn't make sense to me. How would the testing place know if you had a prescription for a medication or not? What if you have a medical marijuana prescription-- Does that mean that you won't get flagged for the metabolites being in your urine?

 

[Banned]

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[SunsFun]

Wait so they actually test for steroids in med school? I mean what if you have low T and take testosterone? Or what if you buy one of those "designer" steroids from GNC which are legal and then they metabolize into other things that could show up on the test?

 

[chizledfrmstone]

Wait so they actually test for steroids in med school? I mean what if you have low T and take testosterone? Or what if you buy one of those "designer" steroids from GNC which are legal and then they metabolize into other things that could show up on the test?

- Then you're probably on HRT and have a reason to take testosterone.

- Those Prohormones were taken off the market a long time ago. Good luck trying to find Methyl 1 Testosterone (M1T) in GNC these days. There was a massive recall of Aromatase Inhibitors a few years ago too.

It's funny how people think since stuff is sold at GNC it is completely safe. M1T was more anabolic than Testosterone alone (30 lbs of LBM in 1 cycle for some people.) Too bad it was so hepatoxic... practically rat poison with anabolic side effects.

I doubt they check your testosterone level. Even if they check for SHBG inhibitors they would need to check for free/total test levels.

 

[Druggernaut]

You'll get a standard urine drug screen at the start of school and likely the start of residency. Some clinical rotation sites will do the same, but it's highly variable. They're not going to test you for steroids, EPO, or any other PED (besides academic ones, which may cause a positive result on an amphetamine screen).

However, if you're going to be a physician and you're willing to risk your health with that stuff so you look better with your shirt off, you're an idiot. An idiot who won't have his acceptance revoked, but an idiot nevertheless. Please review the benefits versus risk. I can't think of a scenario where it's possibly worth it unless you're a professional athlete trying to secure a multimillion dollar contact, in which case I doubt you're applying to medical school.

This doesn't make sense to me. How would the testing place know if you had a prescription for a medication or not? What if you have a medical marijuana prescription-- Does that mean that you won't get flagged for the metabolites being in your urine?

It's my understanding that you're supposed to disclose that at the time of your test, and ideally you should bring proof of your prescription. Otherwise you'll have to answer for it after the fact, and it seems far more comfortable to me to do this right away rather than telling your dean about what medications you're on when they call you in for a positive test result.

 

[SunsFun]

- Then you're probably on HRT and have a reason to take testosterone.

- Those Prohormones were taken off the market a long time ago. Good luck trying to find Methyl 1 Testosterone (M1T) in GNC these days. There was a massive recall of Aromatase Inhibitors a few years ago too.

It's funny how people think since stuff is sold at GNC it is completely safe. M1T was more anabolic than Testosterone alone (30 lbs of LBM in 1 cycle for some people.) Too bad it was so hepatoxic... practically rat poison with anabolic side effects.

I doubt they check your testosterone level. Even if they check for SHBG inhibitors they would need to check for free/total test levels.

I agree some of the stuff sold at GNC used to be pretty bad. Nonetheless, there are still retailers and small shops selling those prohormones legally with slightly modified formula. I am not condoning their use but having admissions problems over something you did that was perfectly legal and in no way unethical seems to be unfair.

 

[Banned]

I agree some of the stuff sold at GNC used to be pretty bad. Nonetheless, there are still retailers and small shops selling those prohormones legally with slightly modified formula. I am not condoning their use but having admissions problems over something you did that was perfectly legal and in no way unethical seems to be unfair.

If you're on it, cycle off and just start cellular technology...

 

[mk04447]

This post is embarrassing. Dumb kids, shame on you! The fact that you would even discuss this here means you've neither the maturity or the intelligence to acquire a medical license.

 

[coolingglasses]

out

 

[HopefulReapp]

Cycle off 6 weeks prior. Drink min 4 liters daily week prior. Take vitamin B daily the day before and day of. Clear test, cycle back on.

Tren hard, eat clen bros.

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It's eat clen, tren hard. Get it right, damnit.

Mk is a troll

 

[Banned]

It's eat clen, tren hard. Get it right, damnit.

Mk is a troll

Ha! Sorry breh. I don't ride bikes. All natty. Thanks for the correction.

 

[HopefulReapp]

Ha! Sorry breh. I don't ride bikes. All natty. Thanks for the correction.

Sometimes I feel like this is the misc doctor network

 

[MedKC]

- Then you're probably on HRT and have a reason to take testosterone.

- Those Prohormones were taken off the market a long time ago. Good luck trying to find Methyl 1 Testosterone (M1T) in GNC these days. There was a massive recall of Aromatase Inhibitors a few years ago too.

It's funny how people think since stuff is sold at GNC it is completely safe. M1T was more anabolic than Testosterone alone (30 lbs of LBM in 1 cycle for some people.) Too bad it was so hepatoxic... practically rat poison with anabolic side effects.

I doubt they check your testosterone level. Even if they check for SHBG inhibitors they would need to check for free/total test levels.

M1T. Mmmmmm. Miss those days.

 

[pre med 2014]

Wait so they actually test for steroids in med school? I mean what if you have low T and take testosterone? Or what if you buy one of those "designer" steroids from GNC which are legal and then they metabolize into other things that could show up on the test?

Nobody said they test for the steroids.

 

[mk04447]

It's eat clen, tren hard. Get it right, damnit.

Mk is a troll

Wow, I'm a nontrad app and if you are my competition? Well, you've got a lot of growing up to do. Come on guys, I workout the old fashion way. Sure, I contemplate this **** but, there comes a time to grow up. If you are questioning whether or not you'll pass a piss test then your traveling a slippery slope.

 

[SunsFun]

This post is embarrassing. Dumb kids, shame on you! The fact that you would even discuss this here means you've neither the maturity or the intelligence to acquire a medical license.

Can you explain to me please, without making any unwarranted assumptions, how exactly inquiring about the tests taken in medical school and bring up their hypothetical shortcomings makes people who participated in this thread dumb kids lacking maturity and intelligence to acquire a medical license?

 

[mk04447]

Can you explain to me please, without making any unwarranted assumptions, how exactly inquiring about the tests taken in medical school and bring up their hypothetical shortcomings makes people who participated in this thread dumb kids lacking maturity and intelligence to acquire a medical license?

Ok. Steroids and derivatives are illegal, harmful, and ruin many lives. I would say those reasons alone were enough for doctor, a roll model, someone who has the power to shape opinions, encourage or discourage behavior, and ultimately promises to do no harm, to be strongly opposed to such substance abuse. I mean, how are you going to discourage a teenager on the fence about using when, 1- it may be obvious you are lying by appearance alone and 2-your personal belief is that these drugs are fine and you are not speaking with the passion required to protect them. Then, that teen takes something they get from some guy in a locker room. Ultimately dying because he hasn't had biology or chemistry and doesn't administer these substances with the same care you do.

Second, worry is life's way of telling us we've played with fire. Urinalysis tests regardless of the specifics being tested always account for prescription drugs. That is why you are asked about any drugs prior to testing in every single instance. Even if you we're taking opiates, as long as you were not abusing them and had not deviated from the dosage indicated your levels would be below the threshold required for a fail. Employers or schools in this case requesting a urinalysis test don't have access to your results beyond a pass or fail; that too is illegal, medical rights.

So, I renew my statement, if you have a problem with being tested, I don't want immature and dangerous people becoming doctors. I don't want you advising or caring for my children when they are having a hard enough time navigating life without an idiot steering them wrong. Wait till you have teenagers, you will feel the same. Clean yourself up, get straight on what becoming a doctor means, and then become one later in life when you've matured.

 

[HopefulReapp]

Ok. Steroids and derivatives are illegal, harmful, and ruin many lives. I would say those reasons alone were enough for doctor, a roll model, someone who has the power to shape opinions, encourage or discourage behavior, and ultimately promises to do no harm, to be strongly opposed to such substance abuse. I mean, how are you going to discourage a teenager on the fence about using when, 1- it may be obvious you are lying by appearance alone and 2-your personal belief is that these drugs are fine and you are not speaking with the passion required to protect them. Then, that teen takes something they get from some guy in a locker room. Ultimately dying because he hasn't had biology or chemistry and doesn't administer these substances with the same care you do.

Second, worry is life's way of telling us we've played with fire. Urinalysis tests regardless of the specifics being tested always account for prescription drugs. That is why you are asked about any drugs prior to testing in every single instance. Even if you we're taking opiates, as long as you were not abusing them and had not deviated from the dosage indicated your levels would be below the threshold required for a fail. Employers or schools in this case requesting a urinalysis test don't have access to your results beyond a pass or fail; that too is illegal, medical rights.

So, I renew my statement, if you have a problem with being tested, I don't want immature and dangerous people becoming doctors. I don't want you advising or caring for my children when they are having a hard enough time navigating life without an idiot steering them wrong. Wait till you have teenagers, you will feel the same. Clean yourself up, get straight on what becoming a doctor means, and then become one later in life when you've matured.

I have a fundamental difference in opinion with you, but let us clear something up first. The majority of the posts that you have seen above were made in jest-- "natty", "riding a bike", "eat clen, tren hard" are all internet vernacular and jokes made popular by the Miscellaneous forum on Bodybuilding.com and shouldn't be taken seriously. People in "the know" understand this, people not are simply unaware and become confused.

Second, as an intellectual you have an obligation to question the legality of laws that you think are unjust. How would any changes in our society be brought if someone had not originally questioned them? Alcohol prohibition was overturned, and so will marijuana prohibition. It is your job as a physician to in fact not judge your patients, and from my experience shadowing, the more open you are to an educated discussion on "taboo" topics, the more likely you are to have patient compliance. Who wants to see a doctor who thinks smoking the reefer will send them to hell?

Finally, every single substance that you put into your body has repercussions, whether they be positive or negative. The most common argument is caffeine; widely regarded as the most commonly abused and addicting drug. Does that stop physicians from having their morning cup at 5am to get ready for rounds? Taking the legality out and strictly maintaining the moral high-ground you prefer to stand on, shouldn't physicians set the example for teenagers that you shouldn't be taking more than 100mg (accepted quota for physical dependence) of caffeine a day?

People will make decisions that have the potential to harm themselves or ones around them every day, whether that be taking anabolic steroids, prohormones, or even having abortions. The difference between a good physician and a bad one is how open they are to communication and patient education. We have all seen that ignoring a subject (ie: abstinence only education) does an incredible amount of harm than good, so the best thing you can do is to embrace it and approach the topic in a way to minimize the harm to the patient.

 

[SunsFun]

I agree with everything HopefulReapp is saying.

Just to clarify few things. I asked you to provide a reason you made a judgement about people who participated in this thread without making assumptions. In your response you right away assume that I am an active steroid user and that I would in some way sway my patients in that direction. These assumptions are completely unwarranted and shouldn't even be a part of the conversation. We are talking about a general policy and its implications. It had nothing to do with individual applicants.

Secondly, it does concern me to see you displaying very parentalistic attitude towards others. To call adult people stupid kids and judge then based on the decisions they made is not what doctors are supposed to do. There is such a thing as patient rights and patient autonomy that every physician needs to respect. It's not your job to make decisions for people who have capacity to make up their own minds about what is right for them and what is not. Your job is to educate and to give them enough understanding to make the best decision for themselves. And even if you disagree with their choice, you still have to respect it.

P.S. FYI most steroids users are in their late 20s, on average healthier, more educated, and higher income than general population. Also, most people who take steroids do not look like Arnold in his prime. Far from it.

P.S.S. Anybody reading this thread who is interested to learn more about the subject should watch a documentary "bigger, stronger, faster". It's on Youtube http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IPnT1ZSXfaU

 

[mk04447]

You can lead a horse to water...

I'm wasting my time. Message me when you have more than an education and a thimble full of experience. If you are comfortable with your thread, alright. Good luck in all your endeavors. I'd delete this garbage if I were you though.

 

[pre med 2014]

Forcing your moral will onto others never works.

The best thing to do is explain the dangers in a non-judgemental atmosphere and hope they listen. People are going to make their own choices.

 

[pre med 2014]

What about when they come out with nanobot respirocytes, they are currently theoretical constructs that can perform hemoglobin function 400X more efficiently, a person would be able to sprint for 15 minutes straight, swim without having to breathe for hours, survive high altitudes without oxygen supply.

Would that be considered doping or does there have to be an arbitrary level of subjectively measured level of danger to be morally wrong?

Disclaimer: I don't dope, I'm just a libertarian.

 

[HopefulReapp]

You can lead a horse to water...

I'm wasting my time. Message me when you have more than an education and a thimble full of experience. If you are comfortable with your thread, alright. Good luck in all your endeavors. I'd delete this garbage if I were you though.

Best of luck in your future MMI's where you must consider a point of view in complete opposition to your own and respectfully discuss it.