DO VS MD PM&R residencies

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I'm wondering if anyone could help me with a dilemma. I am a 3rd year at CCOM and am really interested in both PM&R and OMM/MSK/Sportsmed. How do the DO PM&R residencies compare to some of the better MD programs.
Thanks for any information.
 
I'm wondering if anyone could help me with a dilemma. I am a 3rd year at CCOM and am really interested in both PM&R and OMM/MSK/Sportsmed. How do the DO PM&R residencies compare to some of the better MD programs.
Thanks for any information.

As far as I know, there is only one DO PM&R residency still accepting new residents which is at Nassau in NY. Michigan previously had a DO residency which I thought had closed somewhat recently.

Don't forget that DO's are prevelant in the field of PM&R (relative to other specialties) and the majority of ACGME-accredited residency programs have DO residents.

Depending on your specific interests, I recommend looking at the breadth of what PM&R is about and what your scope of practice with OMT might be.
 
i don't know of any DO PM&R residencies. corbin, are you saying that there are some??

as far as Nassau, it's not a DO program, but they are very DO friendly and it's one of the only programs that has a DO attending that actively teaches osteopathic manipulation to both the DO and MD residents and encourages its use in the clinic. the chief resident from Nassau frequents this forum so i'm sure he'll chime in soon enough.
 
Actually I think Nassau is accredited by the AOA as well as the ACGME. There are three AOA approved PM&R residencies: NYCOM/Nassau, NYCOM/Long Beach, and MSU. I don't know anything about the status of MSU.

PM&R residencies are not part of the AOA match though.
 
I am the current co-chief resident at Nassau. Our program is both AOA and ACGME accredited. There are only 3 DO programs, 2 of which are dually accredited (MSU and Nassau). Long Beach has been around for only 3 years now. It seems that they are progressing well. MSU and Nassau are similar in that we both MSK oriented programs. Both programs are heavy on outpatient MSK.

I could only think of a few graduates from NUMC that had a strong interest in inpatient rehab, which included the previous chief resident who is now doing a Neurorehab fellowship. This year, all 4 of the senior residents, including myself, are going into pain management. It was mostly because we enjoy outpatient/MSK/EMG too much. EMG experience is quite strong as well especially thanks to Drs. Weiss (NUMC) and Andary (MSU). At Nassau, we do a lot of OMM every thursday with Dr. Dowling. Long Beach also does a lot of OMM. I am sure that MSU does as well. Basically, if you are MSK oriented, this is where being in a DO PM&R program might be to your advantage.
 
Thanks for the responses so far. I was under the impression that the DO PM&R residencies matched with the DO match, so are you saying that they match during the MD match. Which seems like it might be easier.
Also my wife isn't very excited about the possibility of going to NY for residency, do you have any selling points on the program or the area the program is at.
Thanks
 
Thanks for the responses so far. I was under the impression that the DO PM&R residencies matched with the DO match, so are you saying that they match during the MD match. Which seems like it might be easier.
Also my wife isn't very excited about the possibility of going to NY for residency, do you have any selling points on the program or the area the program is at.
Thanks
Yes, D.O. residencies do match with the DO match. Since the AOA match comes before the MD (NRMP) match, Nassau and MSU will select some (or possibly none or all) DO applicants first. Afterwards, Nassau and MSU, will select DOs/MDs through the NRMP match.

The selling points about NUMC is that we are very cohesive program. As mentioned before, our strengths definitely lie in outpatient rehab. Our bread and butter is musculoskeletal. We do a lot of OMM here and we have an OMM specialist on staff. Our program director and chair, Dr. Weiss, is a huge advocate for our residents. Also our attendings are easy to work with and supportive. What I like most is that I have a lot of autonomy in the program.

I grew up in Long Island and have been in New York for all of my life. LI is an affluent suburb. Interesting, NUMC is a county hospital and takes care of the underserved and indigent in Long Island. With my Haitian background, we would have never thought that I would be speaking and interpreting the Creole language with many of patients. Too bad that I cannot speak Spanish. LI is a grerat place to live if you have family. I am always close (under 10 minutes) to the beaches and parks. I love to play tennis and LI is good for that. NYC is only 45 minutes away from NUMC. The bad parts of NYC and LI is that the cost of living sucks, housing is expensive (except for the hospital apts), and a much lower starting salaries due to high demand to work in NYC/LI. Most of the available positions are acute and subacute inpatient general rehab, which many residents are not excited about. I needed a break from NY. Hence, I am headed to Indiana for a year (fellowship) 🙂
 
I was wondering why I did not see either Long Beach or NUMC's results in the Osteopathic match results. http://www.natmatch.com/aoairp/ I also did not see either program on the participant list.

It looks like both programs fill outside the match. Please correct me if I'm wrong....
 
If one clicks on the individual programs listed under AOA approved PM&R residencies on the AOA opportunities website:
http://www.opportunities.osteopathi...f4c399695-4C3C51D4-9DD0-C3D3-EBA1346C8544E312

under each one it says:

Attention new trainees! This specialty prefers trainees to have completed a traditional rotating internship. This specialty is not offered through the match. For more details, click HELP or call this program.

That's why I thought that these programs were not offered through the AOA match. I read that somewhere else as well. But I don't have any first hand knowledge of this.

All of these programs are offering positions through the NRMP match, however.
 
Since no one has ever talked about LBMC, I thought I would at least throw out what little I know. Bear in mind this information comes from speaking with a resident, and I am going by memory. I am by no means an authority on LBMC and some of what I say may be in error. Please speak to the program director for accurate, up to date information. This is just meant to be starter information.
I know a little about the Long Beach Medical Center D.O. PM & R residency. They do not go through the AOA match. They fill their positions outside of the match. It is a fairly new program, only a few years old. The director is Rebecca Fishman, D.O. She trained at one of the allopathic programs in NY, but I can't remember where now. Maybe it was Nassau. She has been in charge for a couple of years that I know of. I don't remember exactly how many they take now, but it is in the AOA opportunities section. I believe it was 2 or 3. Long Beach, NY is an island off of Long Island NY. I believe it is a little expensive to live there. The hospital, Long Beach Medical Center is very small by ACGME University hospital standards or by any standard for that matter (200 or less beds I believe). They do some of their rotations with Mt. Sinai in Manhattan for TBI and SCI (at least this is what the AOA website says, and what I was told), so you would have to go there. Long Beach Medical Center has a small inpatient rehab unit at Long Beach Medical Center as well as an attached nursing home. It overlooks a bay or river. I believe all call was taken from home if you live close enough, but don't quote me on that.
From their website: Call Schedule Additional Information: If our residents reside in close proximity to the hospital, call may be taken from home. Our acute rehabilitation inpatient service holds 16 beds. Additionally, our family practice residents are on call every night for the remainder of the hospital and are a great source of support for the PM&R residnets should the need arise.
I don't think the work load is unreasonable from what the resident said. They have scheduled didactics, and clinics. I was told by a resident there that their strengths are in outpatient muskuloskeletal with OMT, and injections, and exposure to pain management procedures. He told me he was happy there but always wonders if he should have went to an allopathic program and wonders how his program stacks up, but that is because he has nothing to compare it to.
In my opinion, it seems like a good program that some applicants may want to at least take a look at, especially if they are interested in being in the New York City area. If a big name matters to you, don't even bother. Personally, I did not want to be near New York City unless I had to for family reasons, and was already in the NRMP match so I bypassed interviewing there. I am not sure if they are filled, but if anyone is interested, they should call and ask for Dr. Fishman.

From the AOA opportunities website:
This a new and exciting Osteopathic PM&R residency in a hospital that has a long history of teaching qualified successful physicians. Many of our graduates have enjoyed placement in academic centers and medical schools as well as establishing private practices. This program has a very strong emphasis on Osteopathic education and outpatient musculoskeletal /pain management. Our PM&R residency program offers both bedside and out patient training in Osteopathic Manipulative Medicine as well as weekly OMT didactic and lab sessions. The residents have an abundance of opportunity to perform trigger point and joint injections and are exposed to prolotherapy, acupuncture and evaluation and treatment of muscle imbalances. This program also offers rotations in spinal cord and traumatic brain injuries at Mount Sinai Hospital in Manhattan as well as pediatric PM&R rotations at St. Mary's Hospital and sports medicine and interventional pain management rotations at highly acclaimed practices in New York. Because we only accept 2 residents per year, our program offers much individualized attention and residents work hand in hand with our attendings. Long Beach Medical Center is a very warm and supportive environment that encourages growth and development on all levels.
 
Since no one has ever talked about LBMC, I thought I would at least throw out what little I know. Bear in mind this information comes from speaking with a resident, and I am going by memory. I am by no means an authority on LBMC and some of what I say may be in error. Please speak to the program director for accurate, up to date information. This is just meant to be starter information.
I know a little about the Long Beach Medical Center D.O. PM & R residency. They do not go through the AOA match. They fill their positions outside of the match. It is a fairly new program, only a few years old. The director is Rebecca Fishman, D.O. She trained at one of the allopathic programs in NY, but I can't remember where now. Maybe it was Nassau. She has been in charge for a couple of years that I know of. I don't remember exactly how many they take now, but it is in the AOA opportunities section. I believe it was 2 or 3. Long Beach, NY is an island off of Long Island NY. I believe it is a little expensive to live there. The hospital, Long Beach Medical Center is very small by ACGME University hospital standards or by any standard for that matter (200 or less beds I believe). They do some of their rotations with Mt. Sinai in Manhattan for TBI and SCI (at least this is what the AOA website says, and what I was told), so you would have to go there. Long Beach Medical Center has a small inpatient rehab unit at Long Beach Medical Center as well as an attached nursing home. It overlooks a bay or river. I believe all call was taken from home if you live close enough, but don't quote me on that.
From their website: Call Schedule Additional Information: If our residents reside in close proximity to the hospital, call may be taken from home. Our acute rehabilitation inpatient service holds 16 beds. Additionally, our family practice residents are on call every night for the remainder of the hospital and are a great source of support for the PM&R residnets should the need arise.
I don't think the work load is unreasonable from what the resident said. They have scheduled didactics, and clinics. I was told by a resident there that their strengths are in outpatient muskuloskeletal with OMT, and injections, and exposure to pain management procedures. He told me he was happy there but always wonders if he should have went to an allopathic program and wonders how his program stacks up, but that is because he has nothing to compare it to.
In my opinion, it seems like a good program that some applicants may want to at least take a look at, especially if they are interested in being in the New York City area. If a big name matters to you, don't even bother. Personally, I did not want to be near New York City unless I had to for family reasons, and was already in the NRMP match so I bypassed interviewing there. I am not sure if they are filled, but if anyone is interested, they should call and ask for Dr. Fishman.

From the AOA opportunities website:
This a new and exciting Osteopathic PM&R residency in a hospital that has a long history of teaching qualified successful physicians. Many of our graduates have enjoyed placement in academic centers and medical schools as well as establishing private practices. This program has a very strong emphasis on Osteopathic education and outpatient musculoskeletal /pain management. Our PM&R residency program offers both bedside and out patient training in Osteopathic Manipulative Medicine as well as weekly OMT didactic and lab sessions. The residents have an abundance of opportunity to perform trigger point and joint injections and are exposed to prolotherapy, acupuncture and evaluation and treatment of muscle imbalances. This program also offers rotations in spinal cord and traumatic brain injuries at Mount Sinai Hospital in Manhattan as well as pediatric PM&R rotations at St. Mary's Hospital and sports medicine and interventional pain management rotations at highly acclaimed practices in New York. Because we only accept 2 residents per year, our program offers much individualized attention and residents work hand in hand with our attendings. Long Beach Medical Center is a very warm and supportive environment that encourages growth and development on all levels.
I grew up in Long Beach (Lido, actually) , and my dad was the Chief of Ortho there for years. I know zippo about the program, but if anyone has questions about the area, or the physician staff, please feel free to PM me.
 
I was talking to one of the residents last year and he told me that they do have to drive to Mt. Sinai to cover some of the things that they don't have. (ie- TBI, SCI, peds) Otheriwse they do OMM as much as possible. A cautionary tale though, the resident I was chatting with wants to go back and do an OMM/NMM fellowship after he graduates.
 
Any residents out there from MSU that wouldn't mind chiming in on the program at MSU.
 
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