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IH8ColdWeath3r said:
It is as if everything I said went through one ear and out the other. Too many people on SDN have a bad superiority complex, the kind of superiority complex that is going to make it impossible for their fellow coworkers (doctors, interns, PA, nurses, techs) to work with them.

I guess medicine sort of creates this with its totem pole approach of moving through the system. Starting out a the bottom as a volunteer/undergraduate, moving up to medical student (still at the bottom of the totem pole), then becoming an intern, then maybe chief resident, and finally and attending.

It is good to try to remain humble, particular to those who have yet to even start medical school. Treat everybody equally. Remember, at the end of the day, everyone is a member of a healthcare team. This is evident where I work, the ER. There is a noble attending who taught me this and everyday when he would arrive at work, he would greet and shake hands with everyone--the nurses, the registration clerks, the orderlies, and the sanitation workers. Think about the patients, not the two letters after your name.

And again, please, refrain from using symbols like > or < and leave the DO vs MD pissing contest alone.
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exactly, i have YET in my 700+ hours of volunteering in the hospital see a single bias against a D.O physician
 
Hemorrage said:
exactly, i have YET in my 700+ hours of volunteering in the hospital see a single bias against a D.O physician
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The distinction a lot of people have failed to make lately is the one between practicing physicians and students applying for residency/fellowship.
 
MedPR said:
Maybe I missed something, but Fivo isn't disagreeing with you. But really "MD>DO" is only true for IM/FM/Peds and maybe PM&R. In just about everything else MD>DO.
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and psych....
 
scruggs92 said:
Is there a huge difference that I just can't find between DOs and MDs? I have looked into it and they seem to be nearly the same thing. I know that it is harder to get into MD schools. Any input would be appreciated! Below are how they are similar.

D.O. vs. M.D.

Both D.O.s and M.D.s typically have a four year undergraduate degree prior to medical training.

Both D.O.s and M.D.s have spent four-years in medical education. Both take the MCAT and are subject to a rigorous application process. Historically, D.O. schools are more open to the non-traditional candidate.

D.O.s, like M.D.s, choose to practice in a specialty area of medicine and complete a residency program ranging from 3-7 years. Some D.O.s complete the same residency programs as their M.D. counterparts.

M.D. students take the USMLE exam and D.O. students take the COMLEX exam. Both must pass a state licensing examination to practice medicine.

D.O.s perform surgery, deliver babies, treat patients, prescribe medications, and work in the same settings as M.D.s. D.O.s use the same tools, treatments, and technologies of medicine as M.D.s.

D.O.s receive extra training in the musculoskeletal system, which make up the muscles and bones of a person.
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This is a variation on the "DO vs. MD" and "if I go to a lowly DO school, can I still do X" threads that have been trolled to death. Let's move this to the Pre K-12 thread and be done with it. Please use the search function to find other threads like this; many exist for you to review.

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Hemorrage said:
the trolls get worse every year
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I would have commented, but after reading your comment opted not to be a "troll" - How do you suggest commenting in an "unroll" fashion?
 
Hemorrage said:
exactly, i have YET in my 700+ hours of volunteering in the hospital see a single bias against a D.O physician
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The "bias" has been evaporating for years. Whatever remains will be gone as the DNPs, and other non MD/DO providers expand their scope of practice.
 
Member that "tends to run things," I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you're going to go to medical school because your parents want you to. I'm going to go further out on that same limb to say that they, and their fellow "tiger parents" won't recognize anything else than an MD as a proper medical degree. For this reason, you will make huge concessions in your career options by doing the IMG/FMG route. Let me know if I'm I in the right ballpark because this limb is about to break.

Delving further, would the "tiger parents" then start saying that you're only a doctor of significant value if you're in one of the ROAD fields? Not going US MD/DO will wipe those chances off your career options for good. With the US MD/DO track, you still have very good chances at any one of them. The point has been proven thousands of times, but this may be the first time I've actually seen the "tiger parent" angle, so I thought pose this as a likely explanation. Once you go IMG/FMG, I assure you, you will not be running anything.

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JGimpel said:
Member that "tends to run things," I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you're going to go to medical school because your parents want you to. I'm going to go further out on that same limb to say that they, and their fellow "tiger parents" won't recognize anything else than an MD as a proper medical degree. For this reason, you will make huge concessions in your career options by doing the IMG/FMG route. Let me know if I'm I in the right ballpark because this limb is about to break.

Delving further, would the "tiger parents" then start saying that you're only a doctor of significant value if you're in one of the ROAD fields? Not going US MD/DO will wipe those chances off your career options for good. With the US MD/DO track, you still have very good chances at any one of them. The point has been proven thousands of times, but this may be the first time I've actually seen the "tiger parent" angle, so I thought pose this as a likely explanation. Once you go IMG/FMG, I assure you, you will not be running anything. Keep it real at your own peril.

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This is something that could have easily been sent as a PM. In addition to running things, I also keep it "one hundred."
 
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scruggs92 said:
Is there a huge difference that I just can't find between DOs and MDs? I have looked into it and they seem to be nearly the same thing. I know that it is harder to get into MD schools. Any input would be appreciated! Below are how they are similar.

D.O. vs. M.D.

Both D.O.s and M.D.s typically have a four year undergraduate degree prior to medical training.

Both D.O.s and M.D.s have spent four-years in medical education. Both take the MCAT and are subject to a rigorous application process. Historically, D.O. schools are more open to the non-traditional candidate.

D.O.s, like M.D.s, choose to practice in a specialty area of medicine and complete a residency program ranging from 3-7 years. Some D.O.s complete the same residency programs as their M.D. counterparts.

M.D. students take the USMLE exam and D.O. students take the COMLEX exam. Both must pass a state licensing examination to practice medicine.

D.O.s perform surgery, deliver babies, treat patients, prescribe medications, and work in the same settings as M.D.s. D.O.s use the same tools, treatments, and technologies of medicine as M.D.s.

D.O.s receive extra training in the musculoskeletal system, which make up the muscles and bones of a person.
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bump. 😱
 
La Presse said:
Not even. Let's really get it started.
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It was started and brought to you and, when pressed, you couldn't even answer. Don't worry, we all have lives so it doesn't matter if you took some time off to do something else.

Let's approach this at yet another angle. What do you gain by doing exactly as your parents tell you to for the rest of your life? A BMW or Mercedes hatchback so that you can leave the keys for it out on the counter for everyone to see wherever you go? For this, you give up a lot of autonomy.

If you decide to stay in the US for training, the bulk of your expenses can be paid for by your student loans, thus giving you the right to choose your own path and GAIN a lot of autonomy. The two-way bank accounts and a ton of atm fees are the least of your worries training in another country and you will have to have a strong support system, and lots of extra money, to get through it. Do you get to choose what to wear and whom you'll marry? If so, I doubt you'll have trouble with them accepting you as a doctor no matter where you go.

If not, and you've accepted this, go IMG/FMG and match into an IM or FM residency and FedEx a copy of your MD degree to your parents while you send one to the state you'll attempt to get a license in when it all happens. As you can probably tell, I saw this happen a lot in medical school and still has it's residue on the guys/girls that made it to residency. This, more than anything else, will affect your sanity. You mentioned schools in, among other safe tourist destinations, Israel and Lebanon...this will affect your safety as well as your sanity if you've taken a break to watch the news in the last few weeks/months.

Good luck, you'll need it. I just messed with Texas, maybe I'll need it too.

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JGimpel said:
It was started and brought to you and, when pressed, you couldn't even answer. Don't worry, we all have lives so it doesn't matter if you took some time off to do something else.

Let's approach this at yet another angle. What do you gain by doing exactly as your parents tell you to for the rest of your life? A BMW or Mercedes hatchback so that you can leave the keys for it out on the counter for everyone to see wherever you go? For this, you give up a lot of autonomy.

If you decide to stay in the US for training, the bulk of your expenses can be paid for by your student loans, thus giving you the right to choose your own path and GAIN a lot of autonomy. The two-way bank accounts and a ton of atm fees are the least of your worries training in another country and you will have to have a strong support system, and lots of extra money, to get through it. Do you get to choose what to wear and whom you'll marry? If so, I doubt you'll have trouble with them accepting you as a doctor no matter where you go.

If not, and you've accepted this, go IMG/FMG and match into an IM or FM residency and FedEx a copy of your MD degree to your parents while you send one to the state you'll attempt to get a license in when it all happens. As you can probably tell, I saw this happen a lot in medical school and still has it's residue on the guys/girls that made it to residency. This, more than anything else, will affect your sanity. You mentioned schools in, among other safe tourist destinations, Israel and Lebanon...this will affect your safety as well as your sanity if you've taken a break to watch the news in the last few weeks/months.

Good luck, you'll need it. I just messed with Texas, maybe I'll need it too.

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Parks a BMW, Mercedes or Land Rover in front of medical school=OWNED
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Ugh...I guess I will reply you. Your assumptions were just so erroneous on the last comment you made about me that when I sent you that unacknowledged request, I did not worry too much about it. Firstly, I am not and will not be in the position to attend a foreign medical school. All I am saying is that given the alternative, an IMG (in certain areas) would definitely take precedence over a DO. I discern this because of the degree and the quality of matches by a number of school. Furthermore, either a DO or an IMG would have to make sacrifices or concessions in their career options.

With regard to safety, I can definitely say that even the US doesn't completely accommodate for secure environment and everyone knows what I mean when I say that. Likewise with other parts of the world. At this point safety becomes quite relative.

On a side note, I do not think I really understand the whole car analogy. The BMW and Mercedes are both archetypes of a successful lifestyle, but they also have different classes.

I love my mommy and daddy and I think that you should back off because whatever decision I make may or may not be based upon their opinion.

As for the troll bit:

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La Presse said:
All I am saying is that given the alternative, an IMG (in certain areas) would definitely take precedence over a DO. I discern this because of the degree and the quality of matches by a number of school.
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Which "certain areas" would these be?
 
La Presse said:
Israel 😍

But seriously though....
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No, I am being serious. Which US residencies would prefer a US IMG over a US DO? Don't bring up the residencies that screen out DOs on the grounds of 'prestige' because these same residencies screen out all but the best of IMGs. Statistically speaking, most of us aren't going to be the best of anything.
 
JGimpel said:
This is a variation on the "DO vs. MD" and "if I go to a lowly DO school, can I still do X" threads that have been trolled to death. Let's move this to the Pre K-12 thread and be done with it. Please use the search function to find other threads like this; many exist for you to review.

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No, this is actually a variation of an MD vs. DO thread
 
circulus vitios said:
No, I am being serious. Which US residencies would prefer a US IMG over a US DO? Don't bring up the residencies that screen out DOs on the grounds of 'prestige' because these same residencies screen out all but the best of IMGs. Statistically speaking, most of us aren't going to be the best of anything.
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A bunch of programs in NY state. These programs do collaborate with schools located overseas, thus the majority of matches are in that area. Surprisingly, this thread is civil.
 
circulus vitios said:
No, I am being serious. Which US residencies would prefer a US IMG over a US DO? Don't bring up the residencies that screen out DOs on the grounds of 'prestige' because these same residencies screen out all but the best of IMGs. Statistically speaking, most of us aren't going to be the best of anything.
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There is an interesting new program I just found out about, the Quensland-Ochsner program where you do your clinical years 3 and 4 in the New Orleans Ochsner clinic and the first 2 years in Brisbane. It may not make you more competitive than US MDs for US residency, but it appears that it will certainly place you in a greater advantage amongst other IMGs.
 
La Presse said:
A bunch of programs in NY state. These programs do collaborate with schools located overseas, thus the majority of matches are in that area. Surprisingly, this thread is civil.
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Caribbean schools pay for their students to rotate at these hospitals. The programs "collaborate" with foreign schools because these programs are the only shot that IMGs have at getting a US residency.
 
La Presse said:
And Sackler. I will have to do some research regarding the Quensland-Ochsner program. Sounds great!
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Inaugural class match data will be out this march. Only 9 students, so what you really want to look for is all of them matching outside the Ochsner clinic, because there's 50 slots at the clinic and once the class size increases to 30, then 50, then 70, then 120 they aren't just going to be able to match everyone into a residency within the New Orleans clinic.
 
La Presse said:
Ugh...I guess I will reply you. Your assumptions were just so erroneous on the last comment you made about me that when I sent you that unacknowledged request, I did not worry too much about it. Firstly, I am not and will not be in the position to attend a foreign medical school. All I am saying is that given the alternative, an IMG (in certain areas) would definitely take precedence over a DO. I discern this because of the degree and the quality of matches by a number of school. Furthermore, either a DO or an IMG would have to make sacrifices or concessions in their career options.

With regard to safety, I can definitely say that even the US doesn't completely accommodate for secure environment and everyone knows what I mean when I say that. Likewise with other parts of the world. At this point safety becomes quite relative.

On a side note, I do not think I really understand the whole car analogy. The BMW and Mercedes are both archetypes of a successful lifestyle, but they also have different classes.

I love my mommy and daddy and I think that you should back off because whatever decision I make may or may not be based upon their opinion.

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It is fine if it is your personal preference but to think that international schools (those select ones you are mentioning) are better at matching than DO schools for allopathic residencies I don't think is correct. I have shown on a previous post on general statistics of the matching of DOs overall and international schools overall in MD residencies. This not even including the osteopathic match. With unification, the real match percentages of DOs and international students will be seen. I will make a bet that matching for IMGs will still be lower than DOs. Try to fine the data supporting what you are saying and this will help in understanding where you are coming from. Otherwise I am still not convinced.
 
IslandStyle808 said:
yes for both questions



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It would be interesting to see the matching list after unification. There is a good chance that the statistic will show the match rate for DO and MD to be about equal. This will finally end the dispute about how well DOs match overall.
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For anyone referring to actual data, all of the work has already been done.Too bad no one ever cites it.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=813819

Obviously things will change whenever the combined match occurs.
 
La Presse said:
Ugh...I guess I will reply you. Your assumptions were just so erroneous on the last comment you made about me that when I sent you that unacknowledged request, I did not worry too much about it. Firstly, I am not and will not be in the position to attend a foreign medical school. All I am saying is that given the alternative, an IMG (in certain areas) would definitely take precedence over a DO. I discern this because of the degree and the quality of matches by a number of school. Furthermore, either a DO or an IMG would have to make sacrifices or concessions in their career options.

With regard to safety, I can definitely say that even the US doesn't completely accommodate for secure environment and everyone knows what I mean when I say that. Likewise with other parts of the world. At this point safety becomes quite relative.

On a side note, I do not think I really understand the whole car analogy. The BMW and Mercedes are both archetypes of a successful lifestyle, but they also have different classes.

I love my mommy and daddy and I think that you should back off because whatever decision I make may or may not be based upon their opinion.

As for the troll bit:

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I was going to spare you the embarrassment and not reveal your communication to the rest of the audience, but since you brought it up; sending someone a private message asking to delete their entire post because you don't agree with it is arrogant, to say the least. You do not deserve to even bring up what common courtesy is. I did edit it to reflect who was really making the decisions in your life and your last post proves it.

If you aren't planning on attending a school outside of the US, why on Earth would you feel the need to put down a DO degree and compare it in a negative light to one outside of the US over and over again? This is the exact type of post that people would call a troll. An IMG matches better than a DO matches? Are you kidding? The percentage of people making it through all 4 years as an IMG and being allowed to apply for residency versus the number they actually start out with (300 to 500 person cohorts every few months!) is a fraction of what it is for USMGs. Dr. of Hockey Greatness 09 has made the best amalgamation of current data and put his link below, please study it. You wouldn't last a week in the boroughs of NYC that most of the IMG-friendly programs are in with your attitude, so you can exclude them for your sanity and your safety.

You are 19 (!) and will probably add more detail about your life after Texas undergrad online somewhere. I urge you to be more respectful as it may not be to long before an interviewer recognizes you and asks if you would try to "run things" while in his or her medical school. It's a small world and word can travel far. You can clean up your own posts and be more positive or the staff most adcoms have scan the SDN pages for stuff like this will tag yours if you have an application come their way. They're really good at FaceBook too, so watch what you post there as well.

Incidentally, how do I know that one of your parents isn't the one making these posts for you? They probably bend over backwards to reward you for following their commands and you do exactly what they tell you to continue getting what you want, so you wouldn't have a problem giving them your username and password.

To be clear, you do not run things at home, your friends give you the illusion that you run things with them, at least until curfew, and with this attitude, you will run your chances of being successful in anything medical out the window. Shortly after you begin your training, I or someone like me will be giving you very specific instructions on what to do and how to do it. What you or your parents say will not matter and if you don't do what requested of you, you will be sent back to school for a "research" month to rescue your grade and your dean's letter from a potentially bad eval going in it.

Enjoy your "independence" while you can.
 
All data points to MD > DO > IMG and if people chose to ignore it let it be. No one can change minds.
 
JGimpel said:
I was going to spare you the embarrassment and not reveal your communication to the rest of the audience, but since you brought it up; sending someone a private message asking to delete their entire post because you don't agree with it is arrogant, to say the least. You do not deserve to even bring up what common courtesy is. I did edit it to reflect who was really making the decisions in your life and your last post proves it.

If you aren't planning on attending a school outside of the US, why on Earth would you feel the need to put down a DO degree and compare it in a negative light to one outside of the US over and over again? This is the exact type of post that people would call a troll. An IMG matches better than a DO matches? Are you kidding? The percentage of people making it through all 4 years as an IMG and being allowed to apply for residency versus the number they actually start out with (300 to 500 person cohorts every few months!) is a fraction of what it is for USMGs. Dr. of Hockey Greatness 09 has made the best amalgamation of current data and put his link below, please study it. You wouldn't last a week in the boroughs of NYC that most of the IMG-friendly programs are in with your attitude, so you can exclude them for your sanity and your safety.

You are 19 (!) and will probably add more detail about your life after Texas undergrad online somewhere. I urge you to be more respectful as it may not be to long before an interviewer recognizes you and asks if you would try to "run things" while in his or her medical school. It's a small world and word can travel far. You can clean up your own posts and be more positive or the staff most adcoms have scan the SDN pages for stuff like this will tag yours if you have an application come their way. They're really good at FaceBook too, so watch what you post there as well.

Incidentally, how do I know that one of your parents isn't the one making these posts for you? They probably bend over backwards to reward you for following their commands and you do exactly what they tell you to continue getting what you want, so you wouldn't have a problem giving them your username and password.

To be clear, you do not run things at home, your friends give you the illusion that you run things with them, at least until curfew, and with this attitude, you will run your chances of being successful in anything medical out the window. Shortly after you begin your training, I or someone like me will be giving you very specific instructions on what to do and how to do it. What you or your parents say will not matter and if you don't do what requested of you, you will be sent back to school for a "research" month to rescue your grade and your dean's letter from a potentially bad eval going in it.

Enjoy your "independence" while you can.
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You sound like a mad internet child who loves to attack people. Read the entirety of this thread and you will realize that I never attacked the "DO profession" or a particular program because regardless of the degree they are both doctors who practice medicine. You do need to understand something. I am completely entitled to my opinions, whether I want to go to an MD, DO, PO, CP school is really not your concern and what makes me quite angry is that you constantly attack my parents. Chill out because you do not know the life I live or whether I have a mother who lives internationally and happens to be sickly. You do not know if I consider the international route to take care of my mother because she has no relatives to care for her. In the same light, I may be an international student who may want to go back to his/her own country and practice there. You simply do not know. Reading a snippet of my posts and drawing a very broad conclusion is nothing short of puerile .And you call yourself a resident. Really? I mean no disrespect but you honestly need to evaluate yourself and the charade above.

The reason I asked you to kindly edit out your post is because it is WRONG and making all these ridiculous assumptions and yet not even touching base with me.

And you always alluding to my usertitle: wut i dont even. It is a usertitle. I can put whatever, whether it means something or not. You also need to stop with my parents bro. Ain't cool and it makes you look sad.
 
HockeyDr09 said:
For anyone referring to actual data, all of the work has already been done.Too bad no one ever cites it.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=813819

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Thanks for the data. I should have done more reseach on the forum. The numbers may even be higher for the percentages with unification. This being that people who want a certain md residency first ane foremost can put that choice first and DO residency choices afterward without taking the risk of just applying MD.
 
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La Presse said:
You sound like a mad internet child who loves to attack people. Read the entirety of this thread and you will realize that I never attacked the "DO profession" or a particular program because regardless of the degree they are both doctors who practice medicine. You do need to understand something. I am completely entitled to my opinions, whether I want to go to an MD, DO, PO, CP school is really not your concern and what makes me quite angry is that you constantly attack my parents. Chill out because you do not know the life I live or whether I have a mother who lives internationally and happens to be sickly. You do not know if I consider the international route to take care of my mother because she has no relatives to care for her. In the same light, I may be an international student who may want to go back to his/her own country and practice there. You simply do not know. Reading a snippet of my posts and drawing a very broad conclusion is nothing short of puerile .And you call yourself a resident. Really? I mean no disrespect but you honestly need to evaluate yourself and the charade above.

The reason I asked you to kindly edit out your post is because it is WRONG and making all these ridiculous assumptions and yet not even touching base with me.

And you always alluding to my usertitle: wut i dont even. It is a usertitle. I can put whatever, whether it means something or not. You also need to stop with my parents bro. Ain't cool and it makes you look sad.
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You are entitled to your own beliefs; however, my believing I am the President of the United States does not make it so and neither does your believing that an IMG is better off than a DO. That's really all there is to it. The rest of your posts have been nothing but trash with you going back and forth with a physician. What does it benefit either of you... 😕
 
lobo12 said:
MD = DO < IMG. But who the ****s care!!
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I have a post in my siggy that summarizes this thread. The post is by a physician and I agree with his thoughts, but my situation is just substantially different...
 
La Presse said:
I have a post in my siggy that summarizes this thread. The post is by a physician and I agree with his thoughts, but my situation is just substantially different...
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You and your parents care more about the letters and prestige than anything else. That about sum it up?

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MedPR said:
You and your parents care more about the letters and prestige than anything else. That about sum it up?

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:uhno: Take a look at the last post I replied to JGimpel. I touched on it peripherally.
 
La Presse said:
I have a post in my siggy that summarizes this thread. The post is by a physician and I agree with his thoughts, but my situation is just substantially different...
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This post is an example of one person's experience. The data collected is a huge sample size. There are a ton of attending DO's that will tell you going DO was not a problem and there are some that will say it was a pain. The point is that the data is their and if you want to you can do whatever you want as a DO in the same amount of time as an MD. The difference is that IMG's and FMG's have a much harder time and a much more difficult task then a DO would if they wanted to match ROAD's MD (or even mid level competitive programs for that matter). The #'s are only half the story but you are only 19 and have not had a chance to play the undergrad game yet. As you research and get first hand accounts from individuals in person (not an internet troll forum which most medical students realize is a giant troll scheme) that have taken said paths you're going to quickly realize there is quite a lot to learn that can not be seen from the outside. I can promise you that it will become painfully obvious that DO's have a huge advantage over FMG's and IMG's.

Also, I may be an M1 but I was fortunate enough to learn early when to shut up and quit trying to "run stuff". A little ego is okay but I'd suggest you learn to do the same. Medicine is a very small community, do not forget that.
 
La Presse said:
:uhno: Take a look at the last post I replied to JGimpel. I touched on it peripherally.
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You're entitled to your own opinion, just like everyone else is entitled to think that your opinion is stupid.
 
La Presse said:
Fair enough. Why is everyone so mad though?
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I would assume its because your reasoning for why DO < IMG is fairly ridiculous, then again i'm sure you'll change your mind about this once application time comes around

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Hemorrage said:
I would assume its because your reasoning for why DO > IMG is fairly ridiculous, then again i'm sure you'll change your mind about this once application time comes around
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Nope. I will be just fine. 😎
 
La Presse said:
You sound like a mad internet child who loves to attack people. Read the entirety of this thread and you will realize that I never attacked the "DO profession" or a particular program because regardless of the degree they are both doctors who practice medicine. You do need to understand something. I am completely entitled to my opinions, whether I want to go to an MD, DO, PO, CP school is really not your concern and what makes me quite angry is that you constantly attack my parents. Chill out because you do not know the life I live or whether I have a mother who lives internationally and happens to be sickly. You do not know if I consider the international route to take care of my mother because she has no relatives to care for her. In the same light, I may be an international student who may want to go back to his/her own country and practice there. You simply do not know. Reading a snippet of my posts and drawing a very broad conclusion is nothing short of puerile .And you call yourself a resident. Really? I mean no disrespect but you honestly need to evaluate yourself and the charade above.

The reason I asked you to kindly edit out your post is because it is WRONG and making all these ridiculous assumptions and yet not even touching base with me.

And you always alluding to my usertitle: wut i dont even. It is a usertitle. I can put whatever, whether it means something or not. You also need to stop with my parents bro. Ain't cool and it makes you look sad.
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I'm sure all of us have had a sick relative that made us want to help others, even if we couldn't save someone that has been a part of our family. This has has not inspired the superiority/inferiority complex that you keep going back to. The "broad conclusions" part of your post is ridiculous compared to my very specific ones about you and your (lack of) proper upbringing.

You specifically said YESTERDAY that you "will not be in the position to attend a foreign medical school" and now you talk about going to train internationally so you may be able to take care of a sick mother. Tread very carefully here as many of us have a sick mother or father that we take care of and our energy is focused on them, not on blindly putting down people in a career you have zero experience in. Don't bring your parents into this now to gain some sort of pity.

I, on the other hand, have thousands of hours of experience in this field. I am a DO resident, a physician towards the end of his training. More importantly, though, I act like a resident and most certainly speak like one. I do not expect any respect anywhere I go; I earn it just like everyone else. You run your mouth, that's all I see.
 
^Good to know. I'm done here. If you care, read the "Best post on SDN" portion of my signature.
 
This has truly been an "afternoon delight."
 
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