Do we know the PE pass/fail rate in 2017-2018? Or most recent statistic?

[MedicineZ0Z]

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Heard the 92% pass/8% fail rate but is that legit? If so, that's literally ridiculous considering we all go to a US school...

 

[BorntobeDO?]

Lecom usually posts it:

COM Comlex Pass and Graduation Match Rates - LECOM Education System

I would say 92 and 8% is a good estimate for '17-18

 

[hallowmann]

Heard the 92% pass/8% fail rate but is that legit? If so, that's literally ridiculous considering we all go to a US school...

That's literally what it has been for years. ~92% pass rate. Yeah, we all go to US schools, but some people don't study, others are just bad at clinical encounters, and others don't play the game and have bad luck. Its a stupid test, but if everyone passed, we'd all complain like the MDs did about CS, and then they'd just make it harder so that more of use failed (which is what the NBME did with the Step 2 CS exam last year).

Just study, walk the walk, and you'll pass.

 

[ThreeCheers]

What an absolute joke of an exam.

 

[MedicineZ0Z]

What an absolute joke of an exam.

Why so?

 

[Rekt]

Why so?

It's a 1300$ test not including travel or stay that tests on your ability to practice as a physician on how literally no physicians practice medicine.

 

[ThreeCheers]

Why so?

There's so much wrong with the PE, someone could probably parody Robin Williams' Golf routine based on this exam. Where do I even begin...

- The vast majority of physicians practicing today did not take this exam, and they are doing just fine (well, most of them are).
- In fact, I've never met an actual physician that thinks this exam is a good idea.
- It essentially gives paid actors the power to determine which students will or will not become physicians.
- It tests your empathy based on your ability to hand over a box of tissues and say "I'm sorry to hear that".
- While Kaufman is a good guideline, there actually doesn't seem to be enough consensus on what the "rules" are. At my exam, my proctors gave us incorrect instructions on how we were allowed to perform a certain OMM technique (thankfully, I didn't use this technique or it could have cost me). I've also heard inconsistent information about how many times we were supposed to wash our hands.
- The standardized patients are human and, therefore, occasionally make mistakes and go off script. Not their fault, but frustrating for what is supposed to be a "standardized" test.
- Only takes place in two cities, making it a travel nightmare for most students.
- There are not nearly enough slots, making it a scheduling nightmare. Especially if students have to re-schedule last minute due to an emergency or, God forbid, have to re-take before the rank list.
- The NBOME website is full of glitches when you try to schedule.
- I suspect that their grading criteria is at least a little bit arbitrary.
- $1300.

 

[studentdoct4281]

Serious question: is it possible to have any leverage with a class action law suit

 

[hallowmann]

Serious question: is it possible to have any leverage with a class action law suit

On what grounds? The MD students got nowhere with their petition, and as I alluded to earlier, they got rewarded with a higher failure rate to make the CS exam more "relevant". They control your ability to graduate from school and become eligible for a license, and they designate what is necessary for physicians for the sake of "patient safety". They have all the power and authority to do exactly what they're doing, regardless of how ridiculous it is.

 

[ortnakas]

On what grounds? The MD students got nowhere with their petition, and as I alluded to earlier, they got rewarded with a higher failure rate to make the CS exam more "relevant". They control your ability to graduate from school and become eligible for a license, and they designate what is necessary for physicians for the sake of "patient safety". They have all the power and authority to do exactly what they're doing, regardless of how ridiculous it is.

This. Plus, it was implemented in the name of patient safety. It's really hard to argue against things implemented for patient safety (whether you can prove it's actually helping or not).