Do you guys think I should give up?

[supaflyz]

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Hey guys I'm thinking about giving up right now. I tried so hard over the last four years but still only making average grades. The bad part is I need another year and a half to get my bachelors in biology, finish my preden prerequisites, and my minor in psychology. Right now I'm feeling really down after my chem 2 exam. Right now I'm barely having a B+ in the class, and I'm afraid it will go down to a B. I only have 3 more questions to get wrong before it goes down to an B. I also have 2 Cs and 4 W on my transcript. I mean my grades are not that bad, but I don't know if those extra 2 years instead of four will affect my chances of getting in. I'm already 24 and feeling old. Some of the students 4 years younger than me are already accepted which makes me feel even worse right now. My mom is also getting older, and I don't want her to work all her life. I just don't want to let her down. The reason I feel sad is that my teacher said that the minimal grade to get in dental, medical, opt, pharmaceuticals is a B+. I've already drop this course once, and now taking it again. Which I dont think I would come out of that chem 2 class with. He said that students with a B chances are much lower maybe around 5%. Is that true? The only reason I believe him is that he been teaching for over 30 years. Right now I just don't know what to do. Should I give up pre den and do dental hygiene. I might regret it later on. My mom is the only one working to take care of me and my brother, and I really want to graduate on time to help her out. My brother just party all the time so I guess it falls on me now. Do you think I should give up guys, cause right now I don't know what to do. So far I have 2 Cs in physics and maybe another C for calculus 2 this semester. Are my chances really slim now guys. 🙁

 

[Hardly007]

Supaflyz,
If you really want to be a dentist you need to do it. I have applied 4 times, I have been wait-listed 3 of the 4 years. This year I interviewed at 5 schools, three of the 5 told me at the interviews that I was exactly what they were looking for. Did I hear anything...no, just more wait-lists. I have been in the same situation you are, but I am 30 years old, wife 2 kids. I have wanted to give up, but I keep coming back to dentistry. My wife has a masters in accounting, but doesn't work because of our kids, so we live on dimes so we can reach our goals. So my advise to you is if dentistry is really what you want you need to reach down deep and make it happen. If you choose to do something else instead of dentistry how far along will you be in 4-6 years compared to where you would be if you do what it takes to get into dental school. My gpa is 3.748 dat AA 18 and SA 19.

 

[WilsonJing]

The simple answer is no. I understand how you feel. I was in a similar situation, screwed around too much in college. I didnt have good grades, family needs me to work, have no money for school. But I wanted to be a dentist my whole life. What can I do? Nothing much besides follow my fate. So I applied for navy scholarship, and dental school with my shiaty grades hoping one school would take me. Prayers are answered and I luckily go into a school, in mid april. lol Moral of the story dont give up if u want this badly. We are all here to support man / or lady (btw I havent meet a dental hygientist man yet).

 

[SPR1624]

You should definitely go for it!🙂

 

[supaflyz]

Thank you guys, well my gpa right now when I transfer from community college was 3.6-3.7, and gpa at this University is 3.1. So you got in Hardly? Is it true guys from a B+ to a B in chemistry really lowers your chance. He say something along the lines of B+ 85 percent gets accepted, while B is around 80 percent. I really don't want to take this class again, because that will be the third time already. I also thought bout 4-6 eyars from now I will regret doing dental hygien since I was so close from meeting all the requirements for dental school. I'm just hoping that some school accepts me. Did you apply out of state as well Hardly? Well the reason I wanted to go to dental school was my uncle both cousins, and sister in dentist. English is not even their first language, and they work really hard to get in. They were even tougher situations than me right now. I just don't want them to look down on me since I was suppose to be the smart one and have a chance to get a better education. They always praise about me and tell other people I make all A's. I don't want to tell them the truth that I"m really not that smart. I just dont want to let them down especially my mom. I think I will follow yall advice and continue to pursue predental. I just want to ask does is it really bad that I finish in 6 years instead of 4 like the usual students?

 

[Royaltee]

you're grades are just ok right now, but from now on you must only get As...doesn't matter how, just get it done. you gotta learn to kiss major professor ass; trust me, it works.
and the most important advice i can give you is kill the DAT...i mean MURDER it.
my grades are somewhat similar to yours; found out i got in a couple days ago.
as far as age, you're still pretty much in the clear...think of how proud and relieved your mom will be when you're a big shot dentist. And know that the hard work and sacrifices will be worth it in the end.

 

[Ranelar]

Supaflyz,
I have applied 4 times, I have been wait-listed 3 of the 4 years [...] My gpa is 3.748 dat AA 18 and SA 19.

Wha? Are you only applying to regional schools because of your wife and kids or something? Those stats should get you into a number of schools unless you're bombing your interviews, but you said the interviewers were into you...

Supaflyz, no, getting a B instead of a B+ in this professor's class will not significantly impact your application. The professor sounds self-important. What WOULD make a difference is a B vs a B+ overall (ie 3.0 vs 3.3 GPA). I think I had 4 or 5 C's and a couple B-'s. Three C's isn't a death sentence, it just isn't preferred.

Don't make yourself depressed, it will only fuel more frustration and bad grades.

 

[Hands0me]

Relax dude, you still have a shot, you're going to be fine. Don't just go into some other profession because your professor discouraged you. Here, read a book, The Secret of Success is Not a Secret: Stories of Famous People Who Persevered by Darcy Andries, get inspired or something.

 

[HossIX949]

That is the beauty of living in this country, there is always hope and you should always stay motivated. I messed around my first two years at college too (at a cc) and got c's in my chem classes. I wasn't really motivated about dentistry until i began doing my research and found this forum. Since then i put my act into gear and as a previous poster mentioned did what ever i could to obtain good grades. Ive meet so many people that told me that i should give up on anything related to the med field just because i wasn't mature enough and motivated enough my first two years. Now i use their negativity to my advantage and work harder.

Keep your head up, work hard to do great on the DAT and in the meantime try to keep your grades up. Worst comes to worst you are wait listed or not excepted and you apply for masters or retake the DAT and reapply.

 

[Hardly007]

Wha? Are you only applying to regional schools because of your wife and kids or something? Those stats should get you into a number of schools unless you're bombing your interviews, but you said the interviewers were into you...

I don't know what is going on, my interviews are great. I don't bomb any questions, I feel that I really connected with those interviewing me. This year I applied to 20 schools, and interview at 5 and I am currently wait-listed at Midwestern and Creighton. At my interviews at Oklahoma, Denver, and Creighton, they told me I would be a great fit to the school and I was what they were looking for. Come Dec 1st, nothing.......still no acceptances. But, I am not giving up, I know my grades are good, I know I have what it takes to meet the demands for dental school. My only C came in Ochem II, same semester my wife had our 1st child, she was in her last semester of an accounting degree, I went back to school the next day, she went back to school a week later. We didn't not have babysitters, our schedules were such that we made it work. A lot of times our homework didn't get started until late. I had Ochem II, physiology, physics II that semester and got A's in everything except Ochem II. After that I went 5 semesters (counting summers semesters) 4.0. I do have a 3.0 community college record, that was from '97-'98, '01-'02, so just a few years ago. I know this is what I want and I am going to stick with it. This is now feeling like a vent session for me, but you know I get upset about it, but hey I will do what it takes to get what a I want, so if this is what I have to endure, so be it.

 

[purplepanda]

Supaflyz,
If you really want to be a dentist you need to do it. I have applied 4 times, I have been wait-listed 3 of the 4 years. This year I interviewed at 5 schools, three of the 5 told me at the interviews that I was exactly what they were looking for. Did I hear anything...no, just more wait-lists. I have been in the same situation you are, but I am 30 years old, wife 2 kids. I have wanted to give up, but I keep coming back to dentistry. My wife has a masters in accounting, but doesn't work because of our kids, so we live on dimes so we can reach our goals. So my advise to you is if dentistry is really what you want you need to reach down deep and make it happen. If you choose to do something else instead of dentistry how far along will you be in 4-6 years compared to where you would be if you do what it takes to get into dental school. My gpa is 3.748 dat AA 18 and SA 19.

Why haven't you gotten in? A 3.7???? 18? I mean, those are pretty good stats. Good luck to you!

 

[purplepanda]

ooops..didn't read that.

 

[sabdul]

I'm in almost the same dilemma here.

 

[Heretotalk]

you can do it!

 

[toothytay]

Everyone has that truly vindictive professor in college 🙂 Thats just another reason why its hard to do what we're doing!!! But don't give up. Please don't give up. Persistence pays off, and dental schools look at it! Just keep preparing and observing and do whatever you can to show the schools that you mean business and you really want to be a dentist! 🙂

 

[supaflyz]

Thank you guys for your help and advice. I really admire you Hardly, you have great dedication. I really don't want to give up its just that I really am not good in math. At my university in order to get a bachelor in biology you must take up to cal 3. I'm in cal 2 right now and its bringing my grades down. Hopefully I'm getting out of there with a C. I spend so much time on that class that I don't have much time for other courses to study for. Just like last semester. I had a A- in micro, a A in human physiology and in lab. But then my grade in calculus was so low that I had to spend more time on it to bump it up to a B. Well that lower my studying time for the two class. I ended up making a low grade in micro final and human physiology. I came out with all B in that semester. This semester is the same story. Was doing really well in both my psycho class and chem 2. With cal 2 it brought me down again. Do you guys think that changing a major will decrease my chance of getting in? I have to go up to cal 3, and I think that will bring me down like the first 2 semester with these math courses. I should be studying more in biology class not math. I'm thinking about changing my major to psychology or health and finishing up my pre req for predental. Do you guys think picking a nonscience major, but as long as I make high grades on my DAT and finish my prerequisites for pre dental will work?

 

[Vicviper]

You sound really stressed out now, and the best advice I can give you is stop, relax, and take it slow.

Whoever that teacher is who said you've only got a 5% chance to get in with a B grade in Chemistry has no idea what he's talking about and is a jerk for making students feel like they're doomed. I got a C and a D in Ochem (then retook the second one) and did well on that section on the DAT and that made up for it. My GPA was pretty low, but my DAT's made up for it, and from the sound of it, your GPA really isn't that low, I'm pretty sure mine was lower. And remember that it doesn't matter what your GPA is at an individual school, but all of your grades overall, including the CC ones. And admissions people could really care less about a few W's ... they don't matter at all unless you've got like 10 and drop like half your classes every semester.

Also, I found that after you finish Ochem and Physics, upper division bio classes are really easier than lower division, and for many bio majors senior year is really a cakewalk with just bio electives and maybe a lab or two.

Don't stress, keep on keeping on, and you'll be a dentist some day. If your mom is working so hard for your education, I'm sure she doesn't want you giving up on your dreams, so stick with it! 🙂

 

[DontGiveUpP]

Dude read my name. LOL. Let me tell you what I had to go throw I got W's F's D's name it I got it. My advisors told me that I will never get into dental school everyone told me that i will never get in, well Im in my second year dental school now lol. no matter what you do if you can sit by yourself and ask yourself is this what I want and the answer is yes then noone can tell you cant do it. Also my GPA wasnt high but i did very well on my DAT i got a 23 but even with that everyone told me I woulnt make it and by the way I got D in orgo 1 and bunch of C's in chemistry...dont worry. Remmber there will always be walls in your life, there are not there to stop you from geting what you want, they are there for you to show everyone how bad u want it, and no matter how bad it gets u should remmber there is someone out there have it worse than you, so you should take your situation as a blessing. Best of luck to you.

 

[DontGiveUpP]

sorry but i forgot to say one more thing, that chemistry teacher dosent know ****...he is not on an admission commite or in dental school..those ppl dont know anything they just want to put you down so they feel better about their postion. good luck buddy.

 

[30isthenew20]

Do you guys think that changing a major will decrease my chance of getting in? ... I'm thinking about changing my major to psychology or health and finishing up my pre req for predental. Do you guys think picking a nonscience major, but as long as I make high grades on my DAT and finish my prerequisites for pre dental will work?

They say it doesn't matter what your major is. A lot of people pick something that would provide a career to fall back on, just in case, but you don't have to major in science to get into dental school (according to what i've read).
getting a higher gpa would probably have more weight. do well on the dat and cover the rest with a different major.

 

[30isthenew20]

p.s. don't feel old.

case 1: i'm 31, turning 32 this year. i graduated from undergrad in 1999 and am retaking (or taking for the first time, depending on the class) all my pre-reqs. i'm applying in 2010 for 2011, which means i'll be 33, turning 34 in D1. i'll finish dental school at 38.

case 2: my dad was 39 when i was born. he had been practicing in india already but had to re-do his residency when we came here. he opened his practice here when i was about 6 or 7. he's 72 and still works and does surgery (because he can and because he loves it).

you're never too old.

 

[sabdul]

When someone pushes you to your knees, you're in the perfect position to knock them down.😉 NEVER GIVE UP!👍 YOU BETTER GET THAN GOD DAMN DDS/DMD!😀

 

[Heyitsryan]

Don't ever give up, sometime it is pretty hard to stay motivated though.

 

[supaflyz]

I feel so much better now guys😀. What is done has been done. I decided to change my major to psychology. I mine as well boost my gpa up and do well on the DAT. I just don't want to spend another semester studying for one class that brings my grade down for all my other classes. Since I already taken 4 psychology classes, I only need 20 or something more hours of it for the bachelors. Pray for me guys....🙂

 

[doc toothache]

Well the reason I wanted to go to dental school was my uncle both cousins, and sister in dentist. English is not even their first language, and they work really hard to get in. They were even tougher situations than me right now. I just don't want them to look down on me since I was suppose to be the smart one and have a chance to get a better education. They always praise about me and tell other people I make all A's. I don't want to tell them the truth that I"m really not that smart. I just dont want to let them down especially my mom. I think I will follow yall advice and continue to pursue predental.

Your downfall may come not because of your grades but because you appear to want to be a dentist for the wrong reasons.

 

[dentstd]

Supaflyz,
If you really want to be a dentist you need to do it. I have applied 4 times, I have been wait-listed 3 of the 4 years. This year I interviewed at 5 schools, three of the 5 told me at the interviews that I was exactly what they were looking for. Did I hear anything...no, just more wait-lists. I have been in the same situation you are, but I am 30 years old, wife 2 kids. I have wanted to give up, but I keep coming back to dentistry. My wife has a masters in accounting, but doesn't work because of our kids, so we live on dimes so we can reach our goals. So my advise to you is if dentistry is really what you want you need to reach down deep and make it happen. If you choose to do something else instead of dentistry how far along will you be in 4-6 years compared to where you would be if you do what it takes to get into dental school. My gpa is 3.748 dat AA 18 and SA 19.

Hardly, my boy. I can tell you why you're not getting in. You're too honest on interviews. You have good intentions, but you're inadvertently telling the schools not to accept you. You have two kids and your wife doesn't work, so you're the only income in the family. How tha hell would you support your family while in school?!?! Loans? Not a chance. They don't give you enough funding to handle a family of four. They're not accepting you, because they know it'll put undue burden on your family. They'll accept you once your family's financial situation improves. Either tell your wife to get a job, or lie during your interviews and say that your wife has a good job.

 

[Jongho Yoon]

Don't give up if dentist is what you want to become with passion.

If you are studying as best as you can for those exams and get bad grades, then you might to think about your studying method/time efficiency. I guess take classes again to bring low grade higher (C to A) maybe, and do good on the DAT... apply to schools which has low gpa standard i guess..hope this helped...

 

[Hordel]

Hey guys I'm thinking about giving up right now. I tried so hard over the last four years but still only making average grades. The bad part is I need another year and a half to get my bachelors in biology, finish my preden prerequisites, and my minor in psychology. Right now I'm feeling really down after my chem 2 exam. Right now I'm barely having a B+ in the class, and I'm afraid it will go down to a B. I only have 3 more questions to get wrong before it goes down to an B. I also have 2 Cs and 4 W on my transcript. I mean my grades are not that bad, but I don't know if those extra 2 years instead of four will affect my chances of getting in. I'm already 24 and feeling old. Some of the students 4 years younger than me are already accepted which makes me feel even worse right now. My mom is also getting older, and I don't want her to work all her life. I just don't want to let her down. The reason I feel sad is that my teacher said that the minimal grade to get in dental, medical, opt, pharmaceuticals is a B+. I've already drop this course once, and now taking it again. Which I dont think I would come out of that chem 2 class with. He said that students with a B chances are much lower maybe around 5%. Is that true? The only reason I believe him is that he been teaching for over 30 years. Right now I just don't know what to do. Should I give up pre den and do dental hygiene. I might regret it later on. My mom is the only one working to take care of me and my brother, and I really want to graduate on time to help her out. My brother just party all the time so I guess it falls on me now. Do you think I should give up guys, cause right now I don't know what to do. So far I have 2 Cs in physics and maybe another C for calculus 2 this semester. Are my chances really slim now guys. 🙁

First off, if this is what you want DO NOT give up! I noticed that you said that you had problems with chem 2. While most people tend to do worse in OChem, this may not apply to you. Also, a few C's will not be the end of you. Maybe OChem will go better than gen chem because they are very different subjects to grasp. Also, there are other ways to prove how good you are, to include EC's and DAT's. Finally, I noticed that your professor said you needed a B+ in gen chem. Let me say from what I know, which may not be everything, this is NOT the case! Most schools require a minimal score of C or better in all pre-reqs. I would say your professor is trying to guide you away from dental school, but if you want to be a dentist than go for it. Give it everything you got and then if you fail, after many cycles, then you find something else to do. It sounds as though you are still early in your undergrad program so your grades might improve as you go through more school. I know that I had a tough time adjusting to a new school. DO NOT give up.

I wish you all the best and hope you get your acceptance one day!

 

[je ne sais quoi]

also, the average age for dental school freshman is usually 25 =)