Do you have to be a minority to apply to Howard

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Not to apply obviously, but to be accepted? For their residency programs, or dental school for that matter, I've heard they only take minorities. Is this true?

 

[GatorDMD]

Not to apply obviously, but to be accepted? For their residency programs, or dental school for that matter, I've heard they only take minorities. Is this true?

no. you heard wrong. I had a non minority friend attend Howard and I know of non minorities attending post doc there.... one of my endo professors at UFCD did his endo training at howard. just open your mind up to diversity. g'luck.

 

[cbennett]

look at his avatar, it says it all. Hes just defending their prejudice because it benefits people like him. If you dont believe me hes wrong just go pick up a copy of ADA guide to dental schools. 1/200 asians applied/accepted------------ 1/3 blacks applied/accepted.(2004 pool) Do the math. This guy might know of someone who got in who isnt a minority but i doubt it unless he goes to howard.



AND TO CHEF " open your mind to diversity"- I think this is what you should tell the adcom at howard, not the op.

 

[INFNITE]

STATISTICS ON FALL 2004 CLASS
- The average age ranged from 21 to 24
- 55% are females
- 78% are underrepresented minorities
- Class size: 83
- Average GPA: 3.04
- Average DAT Total Science: 15
- National Board Results: Average passing score Part I 80% and Part II 83%

 

[InMyCrossHairs]

STATISTICS ON FALL 2004 CLASS
- The average age ranged from 21 to 24
- 55% are females
- 78% are underrepresented minorities
- Class size: 83
- Average GPA: 3.04
- Average DAT Total Science: 15
- National Board Results: Average passing score Part I 80% and Part II 83%

Such a disservice to the underrepresented population to lower the expectations.

 

[LSR1979]

STATISTICS ON FALL 2004 CLASS
- The average age ranged from 21 to 24
- 55% are females
- 78% are underrepresented minorities
- Class size: 83
- Average GPA: 3.04
- Average DAT Total Science: 15
- National Board Results: Average passing score Part I 80% and Part II 83%

Wow those are some impressive stats 👎

 

[dexadental]

Those are terrible stats, if true, what is going wrong over there at Howard? Seems like they could probably start tweaking their admission standards and those they admit, given their average TS is a 15 - which I really don't believe to be true. Once they actually admit people based on their performance and not race, maybe their board scores and average GPA will go up as well. Couldn't be their faculty could it? Sure it is great to have a school so open to racial diversity (among minorities excluding whites) but the standards need to be made a little higher I think.

 

[GatorDMD]

look at his avatar, it says it all. Hes just defending their prejudice because it benefits people like him. If you dont believe me hes wrong just go pick up a copy of ADA guide to dental schools. 1/200 asians applied/accepted------------ 1/3 blacks applied/accepted.(2004 pool) Do the math. This guy might know of someone who got in who isnt a minority but i doubt it unless he goes to howard.



AND TO CHEF " open your mind to diversity"- I think this is what you should tell the adcom at howard, not the op.

You are a flippn TOOL and a D-Bag! The Op said do you have to be a minority to be accepted! The answer is NO!! Like i said I had a professor at the UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA COLLEGE OF DENTISTRY who was a alum of Howard and plus I have a good friend of mine who just graduated from there. He told me that there was more indians and asians than african americans in his class. He was Caucasian. Don't HATE because you freagn tool bags cant get into Dental school and blame Howard for trying to balance out what every other school doesn't do!(That being admit qualified students who are minority... ) I agree to the fact there are not many whites in the classes but i am sure one of the reasons is because more whites dont apply there because it is a HBCU and the ones that do apply there have worst grades and could not get in to D school anyways! Get a life and study hard! Good luck getting into dental school. 😎

Secondly i think if you have the numbers then howard should give you the same shot at acceptance as a minority so why not apply and see what happens... could be your year 😉

 

[scalpel2008]

and this thread will close in 5...4...3...2...1..

 

[melissamcg]

in before the lock🙂

 

[GatorDMD]

😕 😎

 

[Yah-E]

Since the original poster posted this question in the RESIDENCY FORUM, I believe (s)he was asking mostly about the post-doctoral (Specialists) selection factors. There was no reason to post dental school admission stats.

 

[WVUdental]

Not to apply obviously, but to be accepted? For their residency programs, or dental school for that matter, I've heard they only take minorities. Is this true?

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE A MINORITY TO APPLY BUT TO BE ACCEPTED, SURE.

ANY WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO EVEN GO
THERE?

 

[dentaltech]

hi i am taking the part 1 in december i was hoping i could get some study materials from you pls contact me at [email protected]😎 😎

 

[dentaltech]

hi i am taking the part 1 in december i was hoping i could get some study materials from you pls contact me at [email protected]😎

 

[in her drawer]

in before the lock🙂

You don't have to say "the." Simply saying "in before lock" will suffice.

 

[capisce?]

hi i am taking the part 1 in december i was hoping i could get some study materials from you pls contact me at [email protected]😎 😎

Ironically this student chose to ask for study materials in a thread advertising Howard's DAT avg of 15. 👍

 

[fightingspirit]

Such a disservice to the underrepresented population to lower the expectations.

i disagree for two reasons.
1-if your DAT is 15, that does not mean you cannot be a good general dentist. after all, the aldol condensation and the evolutionary tree have nothing to do with tooth restoration and cavity preps and diagnoses. howard is providing a great service to those who could not get the 20 on the DAT due to socio-economic factors. and those who get into howard develop a sense of dept towards disadvantaged communities.

2-those who get the 20+ on their DATs are not going to provide dental care to the low income communities; therefore general dentists from places like howard are greatly needed in these areas. thus, howard is providing a service to those who would not get it otherwise.

as far as saying they accept more blacks than asians, well that's expected. their mission is to serve the disadvantaged, not asians, who are ridiculously overrepresented in healthcare. although exceptions apply, a black person who graduates from howard is more likely willing to serve a black community than an asian who also graduates from howard. given howard's mission, it would not make sense to invest in the asian applicant, unless he/she demonstrates a GENUINE interest in providing dental care to the low income communities.

 

[Squished Rat]

i disagree for two reasons.
1-if your DAT is 15, that does not mean you cannot be a good general dentist. after all, the aldol condensation and the evolutionary tree have nothing to do with tooth restoration and cavity preps and diagnoses. howard is providing a great service to those who could not get the 20 on the DAT due to socio-economic factors. and those who get into howard develop a sense of dept towards disadvantaged communities.

2-those who get the 20+ on their DATs are not going to provide dental care to the low income communities; therefore general dentists from places like howard are greatly needed in these areas. thus, howard is providing a service to those who would not get it otherwise.

as far as saying they accept more blacks than asians, well that's expected. their mission is to serve the disadvantaged, not asians, who are ridiculously overrepresented in healthcare. although exceptions apply, a black person who graduates from howard is more likely willing to serve a black community than an asian who also graduates from howard. given howard's mission, it would not make sense to invest in the asian applicant, unless he/she demonstrates a GENUINE interest in providing dental care to the low income communities.

I am calling BS on this one. Since when did someone's DAT score determine where they are going to practice? Those who get 20 or better can only practice in high income areas and those who get 15 are bound to practice in low income areas?

I also think you should stop equating the entire black community with low income communities. It is true there are blacks who come from poor areas, as it is for other races as well. Painting all African Americans with the same broad statement is the similar to what you are arguing against. If my understanding of Howard is correct, their mission is to admit more under represented minorities into dental school.

 

[vorosvirag]

Is Howard a private school? If so, they can do whatever they want. People may not like it and it may not be "fair." But is life fair? Nope.

If it's a public school in a perfect world we expect accountability (for admissions and everything else). Yet, I went to a state school and some crazy stuff went on every once in a while. Especially when it came to specialties. Certain residency spots (ortho, for example) seemed to be treated by the committee like their gifts to give.

Was merit considered equally with other factors? Nope. It was rarely about race. Instead, it was about alumni and folks who clicked with faculty early and did research often with these faculty. Getting in that way proved they were "determined" to do ortho. Yet, these same faculty didn't allow others to try the same route. If you approached the faculty, but were the wrong person, let's just say you just didn't get the same warm welcome.

I learned life isn't fair and people are very self-interested. Persistence and hard work don't always matter to some people. Your background matters more to these people. However, persistence and hard work will pay off over the long term.

 

[NufinButTheToof]

Is Howard a private school? If so, they can do whatever they want. People may not like it and it may not be "fair." But is life fair? Nope.

What about if you own a private home (place of residence) and you plan on renting out a room. I have heard that its illegal to choose "who lives in your own home based on race". Maybe that is a state by state law. I'm not sure. (anyone else heard of this?)

But if that is illegal, I find it funny how a university private or not can do the same thing.

- something to think about.

 

[fightingspirit]

I am calling BS on this one. Since when did someone's DAT score determine where they are going to practice? Those who get 20 or better can only practice in high income areas and those who get 15 are bound to practice in low income areas?

I also think you should stop equating the entire black community with low income communities. It is true there are blacks who come from poor areas, as it is for other races as well. Painting all African Americans with the same broad statement is the similar to what you are arguing against. If my understanding of Howard is correct, their mission is to admit more under represented minorities into dental school.

you read what you like to read. nowhere in my post have i equated african americans to poor/low income communities. you're just one of those who like to implicitly label others. it's paranoia and oversensitivity.

also, those with the 20+ can surely practice anywhere but they usually don't opt for low income communities so dont give me that crap load of political correctness because you know exactly what i am trying to say.

continue reading what you wanna read. it'll make you god's gift to humanity...

 

[capisce?]

also, those with the 20+ can surely practice anywhere but they usually don't opt for low income communities so dont give me that crap load of political correctness because you know exactly what i am trying to say.

I hate to break it to you, but neither do the people who get the 15s.

 

[toofache32]

... i am sure one of the reasons is because more whites dont apply there...

Exactly. It's a self-selecting pool of applicants. The same reason there aren't many chicks in oral surgery.

Is Howard a private school? If so, they can do whatever they want.

Bingo.

look at his avatar, it says it all. Hes just defending their prejudice because it benefits people like him.

Unbelievable. It's scary what traits the anonymity of the internet will bring out in people.

 

[tx oms]

You don't have to say "the." Simply saying "in before lock" will suffice.

Look, it's the internet geek police. BTW WTF IBTL kewl.

 

[toofache32]

...BTW WTF IBTL kewl.

ROFLMAO.

 

[vorosvirag]

look at his avatar, it says it all. Hes just defending their prejudice because it benefits people like him. If you dont believe me hes wrong just go pick up a copy of ADA guide to dental schools. 1/200 asians applied/accepted------------ 1/3 blacks applied/accepted.(2004 pool) Do the math. This guy might know of someone who got in who isnt a minority but i doubt it unless he goes to howard.



AND TO CHEF " open your mind to diversity"- I think this is what you should tell the adcom at howard, not the op.

Your statements make you look like a jacka$$, cbennett. If you haven't walked in the shoes of a minority in this country, perhaps you should not toss around statements the way you do.

I'm all for all Americans working hard to succeed despite some disadvantages along the way. That's the way I and most of us had to do it. Yet, many minorities do face additional challenges you and I (if you're white like I am) don't routinely consider. I don't agree w/ everything associated w/ affirmative action. However, I will not protest some things that aid those who were systematically disadvantaged for a long time. The courts decide the details.

"Look at his avator, it says it all." So, he's got a funny guy who likes ChocoSaltyBalls? Big deal. You sound like you could use a diversity session and some manners.

 

[Holy Thursday]

Is Howard a private school? If so, they can do whatever they want.

Private or Public, they all do questionable crap b/c the feds have chosen to limit their involvement in education (unlike commerce). It is the standpoint of government that government does not know better than educators on how to educate/admit.

Have you heard of Legacy, Development, or Ties admits? This is where the admissions committee lets in ppl who are less qualified b/c they have a big name (ie, Bush getting into Yale), they come from money (so they will contribute $ to the school to develop buildings), or they have ties with big names (ie, children of actors or child stars).

Public schools kind of do this sort of stuff too, they just don't advertise it. They might be more inclined to vote on candidates from their undergrad or whatever.

 

[29DATyep]

You know what....

Seriously.....

I heard that Kansas only admits whites

I heard Tennessee only admits whites and like one minority (minority anyone non white)

I heard University of Arkansas doesn't admit minorities

I heard some schools make sure to have a "token" minority from each minority group.

So what do you have to say about those schools...there's a plethora of them that don't admit minorities......purposely!! DO your research

Really GROW UP!!! Get away from stereotypes and back up your claims with statistics...that goes for everyone!

GatorDMD simply answered the question str8 forward.

in her drawers lightened the load....with her policing 🙂

Where are the statistics that states people who received a 15 on their DAT tend to serve underpriviliged people......what about the statistics for people who scored higher than 20 not serving underpriviliged people.....becoming a doctor of any sort is a service to any community. So dentist should have the mindset that they are providing a much needed service to all types of people.....regardless of their socioeconomic status.

and actually....whoever said something about not equating low income with blacks...you did compare the two.

I have nothing against blacks....think about this....whites have had a head start in the states.....blacks only recently(in the past 40 years if that) have the same rights as whites and they still have to work to fight for their rights....and if you don't see it and don't know about it...then you are blinded racism is out there...and unfortunately there have to be laws to protect them since people won't see everyone as part of the human race....and treat everyone the same.

SO what's wrong are you scared of blacks superceding you...don't worry they have a couple more years before that. And why is it that conversations always have to get heated...why is it about blacks...hispanics are minorities, native americans are minorities, asians are minorities....whites however, are not! So i guess you have something to say about the hispanics who are in this country trying to make it too....what about the laws that protect them...where are you located in some bushes somewhere with a caveman club.

 

[GatorDMD]

"Look at his avator, it says it all." So, he's got a funny guy who likes ChocoSaltyBalls? Big deal. You sound like you could use a diversity session and some manners.

I dont like them just like to sell them😉 Why cant we all get along? Let
s kiss and make peace.😍

 

[in her drawer]

Look, it's the internet geek police. BTW WTF IBTL kewl.

OH SHI-

 

[vorosvirag]

I dont like them just like to sell them😉 Why cant we all get along? Let
s kiss and make peace.😍

Yeah. Let's gather for a cyber group hug.

 

[dheav005]

You know what....

I heard Tennessee only admits whites and like one minority (minority anyone non white)

I heard University of Arkansas doesn't admit minorities

<caveat: my 'sarcasm on the message board' radar is pretty crappy>
nice research there chucko...arkansas doesnt even have a dental school. they have contracts with LSU and Tennessee (and maybe some other schools) to provide a certain number of slots for arkansas students every year. Tennessee is located in Memphis, our dean of admissions is a black fellow...so we do fine in the admission of minorities, not to mention minorities make up a vast majority of our patient pool.

 

[NufinButTheToof]

I heard Tennessee only admits whites and like one minority (minority anyone non white)

I don't think that's correct. Tennessee is one of the dental schools with the highest black student population in all of the US outside of the historically black colleges Howard and Meharry.

 

[29DATyep]

<caveat: my 'sarcasm on the message board' radar is pretty crappy>
nice research there chucko...arkansas doesnt even have a dental school. they have contracts with LSU and Tennessee (and maybe some other schools) to provide a certain number of slots for arkansas students every year. Tennessee is located in Memphis, our dean of admissions is a black fellow...so we do fine in the admission of minorities, not to mention minorities make up a vast majority of our patient pool.

It was a joke and sarcasm...Lighten up!!! 😉

 

[setdoc7]

Howard is a historically black university. Their mission is to provide a quality education to the population which they are dedicated to (african american). Although anyone is capable of applying to Howard, and there are students other than black who attend Howard, the majority of applicants and students, as well as post docs are black, the group Howard is ultimately dedicated to serve. Any question or argument about this is ridiculous, as there are many universities which are dedicated to specific groups which are other than black. Your religious affiliated institutions are a prime example. Although anyone can apply to them, they are spported and dedicated to the group which funds and supports them. As Howard gets a great deal of support from almni, and the UNCF, one can understand their intent. Further, with only two schools in the US which are historically black, I cannot understand why anyone should complain about admission policies here.
As far as a correlation between DAT scores and practice, there is of course, no correlation whatsoever. I know many hi scoring and hi acheiving Ivy and other grads who primarily serve in underserved areas. Providing hi quality care to underserved populations only has a stigma to those whose mind is narrowly focused on material gain. Although I have no qualm with making money, it does not define ones ability, intelligence, or integrity.

 

[DDSMAN2006]

2-those who get the 20+ on their DATs are not going to provide dental care to the low income communities; therefore general dentists from places like howard are greatly needed in these areas. thus, howard is providing a service to those who would not get it otherwise.

Wrong. Not always true. I have 22+ in every section, and fully intend on working in the ghettos.

Bad assumption. Thanks for playing.

 

[GatorDMD]

Yeah. Let's gather for a cyber group orgie.

true... only if there are hot chicks involved.

 

[GatorDMD]

I don't think that's correct. Tennessee is one of the dental schools with the highest black student population in all of the US outside of the historically black colleges Howard and Meharry.

damn i should have went to one of those😉 lol seriously, what is your point? It should make you happy to see great diversity in these great professional schools. i think UNC, Tenn etc have good predent numbers so dont assume those are poor stat students.

 

[vorosvirag]

true... only if there are hot chicks involved.

Don't remember using the word orgy. I'm most comfortable limiting the affection to a hug, OK 🙂?

 

[NufinButTheToof]

damn i should have went to one of those😉 lol seriously, what is your point? It should make you happy to see great diversity in these great professional schools. i think UNC, Tenn etc have good predent numbers so dont assume those are poor stat students.

? I'm confused. I think you misread my post. Although I don't see how you could have.

My point is I was correcting someone else who said that UTenn only accepted mostly white students. Simple as that.

I wasn't "assuming" anything about stats. I never said anything about that at all.
Again, my post was to point out which schools accepted a high % of black students, that's all.

Peace.

 

[GatorDMD]

? I'm confused. I think you misread my post. Although I don't see how you could have.

My point is I was correcting someone else who said that UTenn only accepted mostly white students. Simple as that.

I wasn't "assuming" anything about stats. I never said anything about that at all.
Again, my post was to point out which schools accepted a high % of black students, that's all.

Peace.

my bad. I have a quick trigger. I prob skimmed it and jumped the gun. Now back to the ORGY😀

 

[smiledds]

I think to discuss this topic intelligently some of you need to research and get a clear understanding of what you are talking about. If there is one thing that you do not have to worry about anytime soon is blacks over populating the field of dentistry (and not because they are not fully capable and qualified). Take a close look at the stats from the OTHER dental schools. In fact ask yourself how many blacks were in your OWN dental class (Bet it didn't take long to figure that one out). Why not diss your school for not accepting more minorities? Why are you not discussing how we can make dental schools more diverse? I think when we get to the bottom of that question the Howard/Meharry debate will be solved. I wonder are we really after solutions, because if we were we would go directly to the cause. This topic is totally bogus and bias. Yes Howard and Meharry accept a large black population, and get this African-Americans make up a whopping 1.2 percent of dentist. And yes it is very true that minority professionals tend to serve the underserved because a majority of minorities come from or have close relatives who are economically disadvantaged. Serving the underserved is more than just a notion. It seems that some of us were so caught up with biology's that we totally slept through the humanities LOOK IT UP! If you get a chance have a look at the link.





http://www.ada.org/prof/resources/pubs/adanews/adanewsarticle.asp?articleid=1928

 

[FixThemFangs]

Minority speaking here. Born to parents who came to the US with literally the "clothes" on their backs made from pillow cases they stole from a hotel dump. Do not ever tell me people like me should be given special privilege or be viewed with lowered standards. We continually work to pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps. Whining, kicking, and screaming earns you no respect. Do the work yourself like everyone else. Admission upon the basis of minority status or some other "disadvantage" is a slap in the face. And those are my two cents. It might not be everyone's cup of tea, but it's worked for me so far. 😳

Howard rejected me for both dental school and residency. I'm a minority...I've got tales of disadvantage from my past...but my scores were considerably higher than the reported averages. What's that mean?

 

[vorosvirag]

This is going to get interesting.

Are you African American, FixThemFangs? Howard is a private school. They can take whomever they want and naturally attempt to admit many African Americans.

I believe opportunity is abundant in America for the enterprising, hard-working young people looking for it. Fewer roadblocks are out there compared to the past. Many seize opportunities (even in the face of adversity) when they started out w/ so little and achieve great things. As a result, their kids and others around them will then have some things easier in life.

Further, I believe parents/mentors play a huge role by implanting in their kids the belief that they can succeed with the right approach (a plan followed by motivation to carry it out). FixThemFangs, you likely had supportive parents or you did a good job figuring out everything on your own.

As I see it, the most predictable way to ensure success is to set goals and work like a banchee to achieve them. Like FixThemFangs said, bootstrapping is a route some take. Many of us had no other options. I grew up in a double-wide. Put simply, we were not loaded. It was either put yourself through college then dental school or work at the insulation plant in your home town. We didn't have a father or mother who handed out greenbacks every time we whimpered for cash.