Doctor of Optometry @ the University of Melbourne

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Hi everyone,

I'm having difficulty trying to decide which school to attend as I've been accepted to the University of Melbourne and a handful of schools in North America. Melbourne was the first school to get back to me and it was my all around first choice but because I never actually visited the campus, I feel like there's still a lot about the program that I don't know (especially after having done on-campus interviews at other schools) despite the amount of research I've done.

What I really like about the program are the small class size (approx. 45 in my entering year) and the research component of their curriculum. What I'm not sure about are the quality of clinical training and accreditation. I would like the option to do a residency after graduation but accreditation in North America will not be awarded until 2015 (I'll be graduating in 2016) at the earliest and even then it's not guaranteed.

Does anyone have any information about the program and/or thoughts, comments, suggestions?

P.S. I'm Canadian and tuition will be expensive for me no matter where I go so that isn't too much of a deciding factor.

Thanks in advance!
 
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Hi swtster,

I'm actually currently enrolled at the University of Melbourne for the Doctor of Optometry so maybe I can help out. Also, i'm Canadian as well and understand what you're going to have to do to get a visa, etc.

But there are some good points you bring up:

-class size is small (45, you said?).

I think it's highly doubtful to find that in the other schools in Canada or the States. I'm in a class of 22 right now and the interaction with students and staff is on a level that I can't explain to you. It was nothing like i've experienced in undergrad - it's more personalized. For a graduate-level, professional program, you're essentially getting tutorials for all your lectures, labs, and preclinicals. There's many more benefits that I won't get into here but feel free to PM me.

-the research component

I actually haven't done this part yet - it's part of my 2nd year. What's really helping me prep for it though are the seminars we've been doing. I think i'm done 6 group seminars this year, the first 3 were 20 mins, the last 3 were 40 mins. The constantly going back into the literature to understand more about a subject matter is making me very comfortable with research and if I do well in the research component next year, I know it's because the seminars prepped me well for it.

- in terms of visiting the campus

It's a pretty big campus. I dont' know what region you live in so I can't give you any comparisons but I come from Toronto, so it's like the U of T St. George campus: an open campus that sprawls and fuses itself into the city. Getting downtown is only 20 mins away (walking) or you can take the streetcar. Again, PM me, if necessary.

- accreditation

In terms of accreditation, I feel your uncertainty. Haha, trust me. There's another Canadian in my year and, at the beginning, we were constantly talking about this. I'll give you what info I do have.

It really depends on what part of Canada you live in if you want to come back after 4 years. Any worries you have are really validated if you plan to come back to Ontario (to my knowledge, this is the province you need to keep an eye on in terms of leglislation), otherwise, you'll just do the bridging program at Waterloo. No big deal. (Also, i've asked around, it seems that even when the University of Melbourne was teaching Optometry at the undergrad level, the students did well in the bridging test so I don't think quality of education is an issue.). People are people no matter what and the things you learn about ocular health apply to people any where in the world.

In terms of clinical training, I don't know if you'll get the "best" because I can't really be sure how you want to gauge it. For me? I feel like I am getting the best because I have demonstrators that are enthusiastic about the profession, program, and ocular health of the public. Although true, i'm sure this feeling will be diluted if I have a bigger class size. In clinicals you'll realize that there's no right answer to accomplish one task because they teach you a variety of ways to do it and every specific demonstrator has their own way of doing things: all valid. I'm pretty sure it's like this in dentistry, medicine, anything that has a clinical component. You pick the way you want to do it and as long as you can justify it (and your justification is valid), you'll be right. This was a huge learning milestone for me in terms of learning to be dynamic in a clinical setting but without the support of a teaching staff with the traits i've already outlined above, I don't even know where i'll be in terms of clinic... definitely not good enough to do the bridging program back into Canada, haha..

Anyways, i'm going to cut if short because I have exams to study for. Hopefully, i've cleared things up somewhat. I'll leave you with the bottomline though: this is your life. No school can train you to become the Doctor you want to be. That's all from you. All the schools will, however, train you well enough to pass regional licensing tests and make sure you're not sued by your patients AT BARE MINIMUM. What you need to figure out now is which one goes above and beyond that? I took a risk with the University of Melbourne coming here because I didn't feel that the program was structured as well as the other schools but having spent a year with the teaching staff (and constantly questioning everything they do - haha, have I got stories for you..), I feel that I couldn't have asked for a better start to my optometry career.

So, yea, it's your life. Make decisions. No regrets.

PM me if you have any concerns or comments and i'll try to get back to you as soon as I can. Have fun figuring out your life! Coming back to Canada to snowboard after examssss alsdjfja;osdfijds;f!!!!?! (Sorry, that's an aside.)
 
hey i also applied and got accepted to the doctor of optometry program at melbourne but did not go there because it was soo expensive! im in the uk now doing optometry. my advice would be to get into a north american school if you can, because it makes your life that much less stressful. yea, the bridging program is there, but you are constantly worrying about changes, etc. If you go to America, don't have to worry about that. Also, have you considered U.K? gluck with whatever u decide~
 
Hi swtster,

I'm actually currently enrolled at the University of Melbourne for the Doctor of Optometry so maybe I can help out. Also, i'm Canadian as well and understand what you're going to have to do to get a visa, etc.

But there are some good points you bring up:

-class size is small (45, you said?).

I think it's highly doubtful to find that in the other schools in Canada or the States. I'm in a class of 22 right now and the interaction with students and staff is on a level that I can't explain to you. It was nothing like i've experienced in undergrad - it's more personalized. For a graduate-level, professional program, you're essentially getting tutorials for all your lectures, labs, and preclinicals. There's many more benefits that I won't get into here but feel free to PM me.

-the research component

I actually haven't done this part yet - it's part of my 2nd year. What's really helping me prep for it though are the seminars we've been doing. I think i'm done 6 group seminars this year, the first 3 were 20 mins, the last 3 were 40 mins. The constantly going back into the literature to understand more about a subject matter is making me very comfortable with research and if I do well in the research component next year, I know it's because the seminars prepped me well for it.

- in terms of visiting the campus

It's a pretty big campus. I dont' know what region you live in so I can't give you any comparisons but I come from Toronto, so it's like the U of T St. George campus: an open campus that sprawls and fuses itself into the city. Getting downtown is only 20 mins away (walking) or you can take the streetcar. Again, PM me, if necessary.

- accreditation

In terms of accreditation, I feel your uncertainty. Haha, trust me. There's another Canadian in my year and, at the beginning, we were constantly talking about this. I'll give you what info I do have.

It really depends on what part of Canada you live in if you want to come back after 4 years. Any worries you have are really validated if you plan to come back to Ontario (to my knowledge, this is the province you need to keep an eye on in terms of leglislation), otherwise, you'll just do the bridging program at Waterloo. No big deal. (Also, i've asked around, it seems that even when the University of Melbourne was teaching Optometry at the undergrad level, the students did well in the bridging test so I don't think quality of education is an issue.). People are people no matter what and the things you learn about ocular health apply to people any where in the world.

In terms of clinical training, I don't know if you'll get the "best" because I can't really be sure how you want to gauge it. For me? I feel like I am getting the best because I have demonstrators that are enthusiastic about the profession, program, and ocular health of the public. Although true, i'm sure this feeling will be diluted if I have a bigger class size. In clinicals you'll realize that there's no right answer to accomplish one task because they teach you a variety of ways to do it and every specific demonstrator has their own way of doing things: all valid. I'm pretty sure it's like this in dentistry, medicine, anything that has a clinical component. You pick the way you want to do it and as long as you can justify it (and your justification is valid), you'll be right. This was a huge learning milestone for me in terms of learning to be dynamic in a clinical setting but without the support of a teaching staff with the traits i've already outlined above, I don't even know where i'll be in terms of clinic... definitely not good enough to do the bridging program back into Canada, haha..

Anyways, i'm going to cut if short because I have exams to study for. Hopefully, i've cleared things up somewhat. I'll leave you with the bottomline though: this is your life. No school can train you to become the Doctor you want to be. That's all from you. All the schools will, however, train you well enough to pass regional licensing tests and make sure you're not sued by your patients AT BARE MINIMUM. What you need to figure out now is which one goes above and beyond that? I took a risk with the University of Melbourne coming here because I didn't feel that the program was structured as well as the other schools but having spent a year with the teaching staff (and constantly questioning everything they do - haha, have I got stories for you..), I feel that I couldn't have asked for a better start to my optometry career.

So, yea, it's your life. Make decisions. No regrets.

PM me if you have any concerns or comments and i'll try to get back to you as soon as I can. Have fun figuring out your life! Coming back to Canada to snowboard after examssss alsdjfja;osdfijds;f!!!!?! (Sorry, that's an aside.)

I really appreciate your taking the time out of your busy schedule to answer my questions. It was very informative and helpful, thank you! I'll definitely PM you with any other questions I have 🙂

hey i also applied and got accepted to the doctor of optometry program at melbourne but did not go there because it was soo expensive! im in the uk now doing optometry. my advice would be to get into a north american school if you can, because it makes your life that much less stressful. yea, the bridging program is there, but you are constantly worrying about changes, etc. If you go to America, don't have to worry about that. Also, have you considered U.K? gluck with whatever u decide~

It is expensive! I agree, but I honestly think the experience will be worth it. How are you liking studying in the UK? I haven't considered going elsewhere for optometry, to be honest. I did apply to optometry school in Hong Kong and was accepted early in the year, but I didn't feel like doing another four year undergraduate degree when I could be spending that same amount of time doing a graduate level degree.
 
Hello.
I was just browsing the forum and came across this post. I also got accepted into Melbourne for the 2012 cycle but I am waiting to hear from the States first to see if I get accepted to any of the schools there or not. One of my main concerns about coming back to practice in Canada and the bridging program is that I've heard (from an international Optometrist trying to practice in Canada) is that the bridging program only has a limited amount of seats per province. Does anyone know if that is for the 1 yr program or for the 6 week program as well? I tried calling Waterloo a while back and I haven't been able to get too much information from them in regards to the program. Anyone else have better luck?
 
Hey, I haven't actually heard anything about that specific point (i.e. true/false or degree of applicability). Would be interested to know the answer, update this forum if you get new info?
 
Hello.
I was just browsing the forum and came across this post. I also got accepted into Melbourne for the 2012 cycle but I am waiting to hear from the States first to see if I get accepted to any of the schools there or not. One of my main concerns about coming back to practice in Canada and the bridging program is that I've heard (from an international Optometrist trying to practice in Canada) is that the bridging program only has a limited amount of seats per province. Does anyone know if that is for the 1 yr program or for the 6 week program as well? I tried calling Waterloo a while back and I haven't been able to get too much information from them in regards to the program. Anyone else have better luck?

Hey, I haven't actually heard anything about that specific point (i.e. true/false or degree of applicability). Would be interested to know the answer, update this forum if you get new info?

I haven't heard that either. I'll send them an e-mail about it and let you know what their response is. Thanks for bringing that up canuck101!

Bluesteel01: did anyone in your year get the IPCA scholarship? I understand that we won't know until February whether or not we get the scholarship, but I'm just curious how competitive it is as I'm finding Australia to be more and more expensive and it would be great to get some financial aid. Thanks!
 
I haven't heard that either. I'll send them an e-mail about it and let you know what their response is. Thanks for bringing that up canuck101!

Bluesteel01: did anyone in your year get the IPCA scholarship? I understand that we won't know until February whether or not we get the scholarship, but I'm just curious how competitive it is as I'm finding Australia to be more and more expensive and it would be great to get some financial aid. Thanks!

No problem! Any information in regards to the bridging program or accreditation for the University of Melbourne will be appreciated! I think it will be a really great experience as well, that too in a beautiful country. Have you decided where you're going yet swtster?
 
Hey Swtster, I don't think anyone in my year got IPCA scholarship. I think it's a new thing.

As I know it, everyone is considered and you only find out when term starts. In 2012, there are 2 (don't quote me on this) 25% fee remission awards and an additional A$10,000 stipend (for more info, check out: http://graduate.science.unimelb.edu.au/support/index.php#ms-schols) to help out with living costs. All international applicants will be considered and:

- Must submit a course application by Nov 30, 2011
- Receive an unconditional course offer as a new international student at the University of Melbourne

Again, checking the website is a good idea:

http://graduate.science.unimelb.edu.au/support/index.php#ms-schols
 
Hello,
I'm Canadian as well!!! LOL. and I'm just wondering about the admission process for University of Melbourne. I've looked at their website but I didn't find it useful. Where can I look to get more info on this? Also, do they have interview was well? Thank you.
 
Hello,
I'm Canadian as well!!! LOL. and I'm just wondering about the admission process for University of Melbourne. I've looked at their website but I didn't find it useful. Where can I look to get more info on this? Also, do they have interview was well? Thank you.

I applied through OzTrekk Educational Services. They handle all Canadian applications to Australian universities and colleges.

Their website is: http://oztrekk.ca/

Look under Programs > Graduate/Professional > Optometry and you'll get everything you need to know about applying to the University of Melbourne. If you apply directly through OzTrekk, the $100 application fee is waived, and if you get accepted, you'll receive a $500 scholarship from OzTrekk. And it's all free.

The rep I dealt with was amazing and she helped me every single step of the way, from putting my application together, to helping me sort out my financial aid situation, applying for my student visa, and even helping me look for accommodation in Melbourne.

Good luck!
 
Hello,
I'm Canadian as well!!! LOL. and I'm just wondering about the admission process for University of Melbourne. I've looked at their website but I didn't find it useful. Where can I look to get more info on this? Also, do they have interview was well? Thank you.
Hey, I applied through OzTREKK as well and there's no complaints on my end of their services. Fantastic staff. I'll see if I can get back to you with more information about the interviews.
 
Hey, I applied through OzTREKK as well and there's no complaints on my end of their services. Fantastic staff. I'll see if I can get back to you with more information about the interviews.

Hey, so interviews are conducted by the Selection Committee after personal statements are used along with grades to determine an applicant's rank. Only students with the same rank would probably be asked to do interviews. If you get asked to conduct an interview, then face-to-face would be preferred, otherwise phone/skype would be an option. Nothing you couldn't have guessed, but hopefully it helped!
 
Hey, so interviews are conducted by the Selection Committee after personal statements are used along with grades to determine an applicant's rank. Only students with the same rank would probably be asked to do interviews. If you get asked to conduct an interview, then face-to-face would be preferred, otherwise phone/skype would be an option. Nothing you couldn't have guessed, but hopefully it helped!

I was given an unconditional offer without ever having an interview, which caught me by surprise. I think they made a mistake somewhere but I never disputed it. So, you never know 🙂
 
I was given an unconditional offer without ever having an interview, which caught me by surprise. I think they made a mistake somewhere but I never disputed it. So, you never know 🙂

OMG you're so lucky!!!! and yeah do you know what is the cut off? So far i have a 3.7 CGPA and I still haven't shadowed any optometrist yet. I'm kinda scared LMAO. And thanks for reply!! It helps alot!! Also,did you get in after 3rd year or 4th year??
 
Okay, I explored OzTREKK and found that it's really helpful. I have a quick question though, on the website they mentioned a completion of undergrad but then they said "Successfully completed at least a three-year bachelor's degree, ". I'm currently in my 3rd year, so do you think it's possible for me to apply this October?
 
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