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Women make babies. From a business perspective, a 29 year old newly-wed just out of residency is like hiring a ticking time bomb.
I also have never seen an "hourly wage" comparison done. It is by year in which we start throwing in so many variables that it gets obnoxious to separate out confounders.
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If I were a business owner and could hire a female physician or a female from any other occupation and pay her significantly less than a male counterpart of the same level of productivity, I would never hire a male. My business would be much more efficient because of the lower payroll and the "sexist" business owners would eventually go out of business or lose market share. Since men are still employed, there are obviously other fators contributing to the pay differential than simply sexism.
If anything, females should be paid more because of their experience in sammich making.
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Wouldn't work because women keep going out and getting pregnant, requiring the men to step in /s
Yeah, it's like they put something in the water that last year of residency. Baby bumps everywhere.
after reading the article, i didn't get it.
Of course they're paid less. They're much more likely to work part time. They're much more likely to take years off at a time during their careers. And from an employers point of view, they're still shelling out almost the same $$$ for malpractice, rent, healthcare insurance, etc.
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Still it's impossible to make an apples to apples comparison. Two 50 year old doctors male and female are working the same number of hours. But the woman might have taken 5 years off earlier in her career, and worked part time for another 10 years. The male doctor was working full time the whole time and has built up a bigger practice. That's just life.
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Still it's impossible to make an apples to apples comparison. Two 50 year old doctors male and female are working the same number of hours. But the woman might have taken 5 years off earlier in her career, and worked part time for another 10 years. The male doctor was working full time the whole time and has built up a bigger practice. That's just life.
i have never understood money or finance. i guess it is just a figment of human imagination !!
I've seen other articles on this issue in various career fields. They all (including this one) say something along the lines of "men are more likely to ask for promotions and increases in pay". Then continue on as if the pay discrepency is the fault of employer and results from sexism. Do they even read their own words? People who ask for promotions and are aggressive about advancing their careers make more money. Seems to me like the solution is that women need to get more aggressive about asking for pay raises. You can't have your cake if you don't ask for it. Now if they do start asking, and there are still discrepencies, then I can see a case for sexism.
Well, I saw it was a link from fox news and didnt bother clicking.
So wait... who is Obama declaring war on now? Male doctors?
Medicine is one of the most money obsessed fields in America. It rivals finance at times.
This. Studies have demonstrated more Men tend to feel they are underpaid and more women feel they are overpaid. Men ask for raises more frequently, and thus get them.
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"Thats because women are much stupider then men are"
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Unless the study is comparing hourly wages in the same specialty and factors in the total work experience of the individual (ie worked 10 years straight or took 5 years off in the middle), the results are meaningless.
1. This article is specifically about academic physicians
2. Most academics receive their salaries from several sources (hospital, medical school, dept, research grants, etc) and at least some of it is usually productivity (RVU's) based.
This new study adds nothing new to explaining the gender pay disparity in academic medicine.
2. Most academics receive their salaries from several sources (hospital, medical school, dept, research grants, etc) and at least some of it is usually productivity (RVU's) based.
This new study adds nothing new to explaining the gender pay disparity in academic medicine.
The study appeared in JAMA on Wednesday. And the article originated in AP.
I guess your attitude helps explain why you make such dumb comments.
1. The title of the article is very misleading as the study only looked at "physician-scientists" involved with research at academic institutions and they had to be at the "same stage in their careers". It says nothing about hours worked, the type of research being done, the number of grants/publications each gets, etc.
They're trying to make you think men are paid more simply because they are men. I find that pretty unlikely in this day and age. Women probably have more built into their contract than men and things end up playing out different. Maybe they take more time off? Maybe they do research in fields that don't pay as well? The list goes on none of which the article mentions.
The article does mention that women work in less lucrative fields and work less... that's reason enough as to why they should be paid less.
This whole men vs women thing is getting really really old. There are tons of female docs out there now. No one cares about this kind of stuff anymore. Girls, you should be glad to know there is no one out to get you.
They're trying to make you think men are paid more simply because they are men. I find that pretty unlikely in this day and age. Women probably have more built into their contract than men and things end up playing out different. Maybe they take more time off? Maybe they do research in fields that don't pay as well? The list goes on none of which the article mentions.
The article does mention that women work in less lucrative fields and work less... that's reason enough as to why they should be paid less.
This whole men vs women thing is getting really really old. There are tons of female docs out there now. No one cares about this kind of stuff anymore. Girls, you should be glad to know there is no one out to get you.
Same. There's lots of research on gender pay disparity. It's hardly unique to medicine and the forces behind it go very deep.
Yeah , I don't think that what it is.
I think it's more like this :
I think even female doctors who feel like underpaid themselves would do the same if they were to run the business.
Agreed!!! I'd like to see those results. There may still be a discrepancy, but I hope the difference is not that significant.
Sidenote: As a female, I can't help getting frustrated when I read comments along these lines: "women keep going out and getting pregnant, requiring the men to step in /s". Thanks for the support, guys. Thanks for just carrying all our weight in the work force, while we are carrying all the weight to have your offspring. You're going to be doctors, you know that it takes a man and a woman to make a baby. The gender argument over women and babies is getting oooold. 😴
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Whose offspring are you carrying again? Your co-worker's? Because I'm pretty sure that's who he was referring to. Unless you're doin it with someone you work with I guess.
Gotta get while the gettin's good, right?
hahaha this is where i wish SDN had a "like" button
What can't it be both? Work part time and ask for raises less. I found Sheryl Sandberg's (COO of Facebook) speeches on youtube interesting in which she makes the case women have a different attitude than men resulting in less promotion/pay than men. If you haven't seen it, I recommend it.
I also found the asking for raises to be true. I was pretty aggressive about it since I was working really hard and got a raise 6 months and then 12 months after I started. If I hadn't pushed for it, I definitely wouldn't have gotten it.
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Those studies have been attempted too, and I believe they usually end up being closer to $0.95/$1.00, which makes more sense. The data is probably noisy enough you can't really call that unequal anyway.
The thing that bothers me is that if you look at our current educational structure, it's actually men who are falling behind.
Women are the vast majority of college graduates, they are now the majority of medical school matriculants, and yet every school still has organizations for the advancement of women in whatever.
Women have already broken even, it might be about time to figure out why men are falling behind.
As someone else pointed out, it's the father's role to be grateful to you for having a kid, not your coworkers (male and female). They are the ones who will need to pick up the slack, and if you get pregnant too frequently it is a serious imposition on them.
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america is still male-dominated
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Not if you look at college graduates.
good point.
Not if you look at medicine either...enrollment in med school is like 53/47 M/F and has been for quite a while now.
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Really? A bit surprised actually. Most medical schools seem to be majority female these days. I guess that's just in my region.
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Don't hold your breath waiting for that.
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Are you saying it isn't happening?
Or that it's politically delicate to bring that up?
Agree with the latter, not the former.
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Men are falling behind, but don't expect anyone to make any political moves to help out boys in school.
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It will happen eventually, but probably not until there's been a female president and the numbers get a bit more pronounced.
Everything is cyclic. The women who were oppressed are going to now be the oppressors. Perfect timing for those of us with a Y chromosome.
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