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RooibosTea said:
If it's so utterly easy, why do most medical school classes have like FIVE black med students out of like 115?
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Statistically, you are much more likely to get accepted as a black student with low stats yet there are less black students, and you're asking me why this is. I'm not even going there. You're a smart person, think about it.
 
RooibosTea said:
Okay, THREE out of 85. If you look at PLENTY of US MD schools, some barely have more than 6% represented. I thought med school was suppose to be much easier to get in for them?
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Well "easier" is a very individualized, subjective term. What is easy for person A may not be easy for person B, even if the standards for person B are comparatively much lower.

But regardless, the issue isn't about percentage of individuals getting acceptance via a specialized entry pathway. The issue is comparing the caliber of those students versus everyone else at the same institution who got in via the traditional, non-preferential pathway. Easy vs. not easy is a meaningless discussion and has nothing to do with my overall point - namely, that some M.D. students are actually lower-caliber (worse MCAT scores, worse GPA, worse overall application by objective standards) than some D.O. students at the "top" D.O. schools.
 
cbrons said:
Well "easier" is a very individualized, subjective term. What is easy for person A may not be easy for person B, even if the standards for person B are comparatively much lower.

But regardless, the issue isn't about percentage of individuals getting acceptance via a specialized entry pathway. The issue is comparing the caliber of those students versus everyone else at the same institution who got in via the traditional, non-preferential pathway. Easy vs. not easy is a meaningless discussion and has nothing to do with my overall point - namely, that some M.D. students are actually lower-caliber (worse MCAT scores, worse GPA, worse overall application by objective standards) than some D.O. students at the "top" D.O. schools.
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So white MD > DO > black MD? Man that's low. The DOs never stop with this stuff!
 
cbrons said:
Well "easier" is a very individualized, subjective term. What is easy for person A may not be easy for person B, even if the standards for person B are comparatively much lower.

But regardless, the issue isn't about percentage of individuals getting acceptance via a specialized entry pathway. The issue is comparing the caliber of those students versus everyone else at the same institution who got in via the traditional, non-preferential pathway. Easy vs. not easy is a meaningless discussion and has nothing to do with my overall point - namely, that some M.D. students are actually lower-caliber (worse MCAT scores, worse GPA, worse overall application by objective standards) than some D.O. students at the "top" D.O. schools.
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If it's easier for Black students, then that is a great thing considering other biases (for example, white high school graduates having preference over college educated Blacks in different fields). Nevermind preference given to legacies. makes up for it.
 
SansaStarkMD said:
So white MD > DO > black MD? Man that's low. The DOs never stop with this stuff!
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That what many white students, especially DOs, say to themselves to make themselves feel better and sleep better at night.
 
SansaStarkMD said:
Statistically, you are much more likely to get accepted as a black student with low stats yet there are less black students, and you're asking me why this is. I'm not even going there. You're a smart person, think about it.
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Hence my comment a few posts up.

It's not clear whether he is race baiting, or actually legitimately wondering.
 
cbrons said:
Quality of pre-clinical and clinical education.
Caliber of students is higher generally at M.D. schools, but the "low tier" MD school caliber students are often lower (sometimes significantly) than the bigger well-known DO schools. Typically the students who get into those low tier MD progs get in via some acceptance gimmick (i.e. "URM" or rural medicine or whatever).
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Even if they do, it's a small proportion of them. I'm not familiar with every US MD medical school out there, but I'd be cautious of a number any higher than 10% of US MD schools being worse than even the top DO schools. Maybe just my dirty US MD bias.

Also, please no on the URM discussion. Take that **** to pre-allo.
 
SansaStarkMD said:
So white MD > DO > black MD? Man that's low. The DOs never stop with this stuff!
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No one said that but you m8. "Black MDs" are not lesser than any MD or DO. He was just saying it might be a bit easier to get in initially. Doesn't make a "Black MD" any less of a potentially fantastic physician.


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RooibosTea said:
If it's easier for Black students, then that is a great thing considering other biases (for example, white high school graduates having preference over college educated Blacks in different fields). Nevermind preference given to legacies. makes up for it.
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Legacy doesn't really have a huge part of medical school admissions. Ignoring 7 figure donations. My DO class is riddled with kids who have parents that went to top medical schools.
 
RooibosTea said:
If it's easier for Black students, then that is a great thing considering other biases (for example, white high school graduates having preference over college educated Blacks in different fields). Nevermind preference given to legacies. makes up for it.
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Why did you quote my post with this response?

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RooibosTea said:
That what many white students, especially DOs, say to themselves to make themselves feel better and sleep better at night.
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I think youre a very race-obsessed and sad individual. Either way, you injected "race" into this thread and are now actively derailing it.

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I would just like to say that I have lots of black medical student friends and I love them all.
 
I leave this thread for one day and it gets to this? You guys crack me up
This is the sdn version of Godwin's Law.

Getting back on the subject though-- I read somewhere that UNR had many IMGs and a few DOs in their own residencies-- I'm curious why few if any of their own MD students decided to stay there for their IM residencies...I mean I always assumed university programs as a whole would be pretty competitive so it's a bit surprising to find Iraq/African(medical schools) and other random assortment of med grads there.

Any idea why?
 
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RooibosTea said:
Again, where are all these Black medical students since the bar is set so low, is extremely easy for them to matriculate, and programs supposedly beg them to enroll?
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Most likely at HBCU medical schools. Not belittling them but they have lower admission standards due to them having a priority of creating black doctors who can possibly serve the black population.
 
Man, some of you sound SUPER ignorant. Nobody is "taking advantage" of being a URM, and it's not necessarily an "easier way" to get in. You are making it seem like URMs are just sitting around NOT trying as hard on purpose and just expecting to get an acceptance. A lot of URMs come from backgrounds where they don't necessarily have the resources, mentors or support that others do, which is part of the reason the averages are lower. You are NOT going to tell me that I got into medical school through some "gimmick". I worked just as hard as everyone else to get in, and comments like the ones in this thread really piss me off. Please get over yourselves.
 
SierraMist14 said:
Man, some of you sound SUPER ignorant. Nobody is "taking advantage" of being a URM, and it's not necessarily an "easier way" to get in. You are making it seem like URMs are just sitting around NOT trying as hard on purpose and just expecting to get an acceptance. A lot of URMs come from backgrounds where they don't necessarily have the resources, mentors or support that others do, which is part of the reason the averages are lower. You are NOT going to tell me that I got into medical school through some "gimmick". I worked just as hard as everyone else to get in, and comments like the ones in this thread really piss me off. Please get over yourselves.
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Don't mind them. Some DO students try to convince themselves you are inferior to feel better.
 
SierraMist14 said:
Man, some of you sound SUPER ignorant. Nobody is "taking advantage" of being a URM, and it's not necessarily an "easier way" to get in. You are making it seem like URMs are just sitting around NOT trying as hard on purpose and just expecting to get an acceptance. A lot of URMs come from backgrounds where they don't necessarily have the resources, mentors or support that others do, which is part of the reason the averages are lower. You are NOT going to tell me that I got into medical school through some "gimmick". I worked just as hard as everyone else to get in, and comments like the ones in this thread really piss me off. Please get over yourselves.
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Nobody said anything about "easier" other than @RooibosTea . Please stop derailing the thread, its not even remotely about URM or medical school admissions. It's about US MDs DOs IMGs in residency programs.
 
cbrons said:
Nobody said anything about "easier" other than @RooibosTea . Please stop derailing the thread, its not even remotely about URM anything or medical school admissions. It's about US MDs DOs IMGs in residency programs.
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Oh please, you and I both know this thread was derailed long before I commented. I'll stop commenting though. I don't have the energy to argue with people who have no idea what they're talking about.
 
cbrons said:
FTFY
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Lol ^ this 100% correct. No one is saying that anyone is better than anyone else. All people are saying is that it may be a bit easier for an URM to gain an initial admission. I don't see what's so wrong about saying that since quantitatively, and comparatively, it's true. I also acknowledge that these people may have not had the same opportunities as others and that's what I say "comparatively" speaking. It's just relative to other white and Asian applicants is all we're saying. People just take words out of context...


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Alienman52 said:
Lol ^ this 100% correct. No one is saying that anyone is better than anyone else. All people are saying is that it may be a bit easier for an URM to gain an initial admission. I don't see what's so wrong about saying that since quantitatively, and comparatively, it's true. I also acknowledge that these people may have not had the same opportunities as others and that's what I say "comparatively" speaking. It's just relative to other white and Asian applicants is all we're saying. People just take words out of context...


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"Easier' is a relative term in this case... It's easier for Hispanics to gain admission than Caucasians. It's easier for caucasians to gain admission than Asians. It's easier for a veterans to gain admission than many... You see where I am going with this! This discussion is somewhat ridiculous!
 
W19 said:
"Easier' is a relative term in this case... It's easier for Hispanics to gain admission than Caucasians. It's easier for caucasians to gain admission than Asians. It's easier for a veterans to gain admission than many... You see where I am going with this! This discussion is somewhat ridiculous!
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I'm not quite sure how you're not furthering my point haha I said yes it is harder "comparatively speaking." I didn't disagree with what you said above haha


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SierraMist14 said:
Man, some of you sound SUPER ignorant. Nobody is "taking advantage" of being a URM, and it's not necessarily an "easier way" to get in. You are making it seem like URMs are just sitting around NOT trying as hard on purpose and just expecting to get an acceptance. A lot of URMs come from backgrounds where they don't necessarily have the resources, mentors or support that others do, which is part of the reason the averages are lower. You are NOT going to tell me that I got into medical school through some "gimmick". I worked just as hard as everyone else to get in, and comments like the ones in this thread really piss me off. Please get over yourselves.
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Ok bro.
 
Is it really easier for veterans to get in?
 
SansaStarkMD said:
Is it really easier for veterans to get in?
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There's not really any hard stats to quantify this, but multiple adcoms have stated that veteran status is a boost to an application (5 LM points... said in one thread). FWIW, I got in with a 3.3 uGPA, 2.99 sGPA, 34 MCAT and all I had to do was spend a year in a combat zone. Piece of cake...
 
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