Does anyone have a clue on what it takes to earn the David Geffen Merit Scholarship from UCLA? I assume you need perfect stats.

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I assume that an applicant would need at least a 3.95 and a MCAT score of 523+ to get in. But, UCLA receives so many applicants with perfect stats who don't get in and some with stats like a 3.91 and a 519 who do get in. Is it holistic or strictly a numbers-based approach?

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I assume that an applicant would need at least a 3.95 and a MCAT score of 523+ to get in. But, UCLA receives so many applicants with perfect stats who don't get in and some with stats like a 3.91 and a 519 who do get in. Is it holistic or strictly a numbers-based approach?
You assume wrong, its holistic. Do you really think there is a significant difference academically between a 3.91/3.95 and a 519 and 523? That's like one class and 4 questions on the MCAT.
 
You have to have whatever makes you so highly desirable that the school is willing to write you a check in order to get you to attend there rather than elsewhere. That "whatever" is a combination of things that makes you a rare specimen in the pool of admitted students.
 
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I assume that an applicant would need at least a 3.95 and a MCAT score of 523+ to get in. But, UCLA receives so many applicants with perfect stats who don't get in and some with stats like a 3.91 and a 519 who do get in. Is it holistic or strictly a numbers-based approach?
Your posts are getting to be ridiculous. But to answer your question, my best friend had a 4.0 and 515 and was awarded Geffen. Not URM and EC’s were solid, but they are an incredibly bright and warm person
 
You assume wrong, its holistic. Do you really think there is a significant difference academically between a 3.91/3.95 and a 519 and 523? That's like one class and 4 questions on the MCAT.
It appears to me that it is far from an easy job for med schools to decide on which applicants they want to offer acceptances. Any differentiation between applicants seemingly would help tremendously. There is quite a difference between 519 and 523, about 1200 more students get lumped together (1500 vs about 300 out of about 50K applicants). So competition is greatly increased with ECs being similar and not counting url differences. While both are high scores, there is a significant difference in the pool size.

 
Put simply, merit scholarships like that are meant to take people who would get offers to better schools. UCLA is trying to poach kids from harvard hopkins and stanford and they almost certainly succeed by giving out the money. In any case, those scholarships are used to get students who they wouldnt otherwise be able to get.
 
It appears to me that it is far from an easy job for med schools to decide on which applicants they want to offer acceptances. Any differentiation between applicants seemingly would help tremendously. There is quite a difference between 519 and 523, about 1200 more students get lumped together (1500 vs about 300 out of about 50K applicants). So competition is greatly increased with ECs being similar and not counting url differences. While both are high scores, there is a significant difference in the pool.

Thankfully we are not talking about acceptances, but rather the awarding of a scholarship. Given how prestigious this award is, I would imagine the major differentiating factor for students given these awards vs others is major life experience and other intangibles, not a 97th vs 99th percentile MCAT, or any other academic metric when you are already dealing with stratospheric academic quality. And yes, a 519 vs a 523 may put you into a different box, but given the already superlative quality of those percentiles, I doubt it matters.
 
Put simply, merit scholarships like that are meant to take people who would get offers to better schools. UCLA is trying to poach kids from harvard hopkins and stanford and they almost certainly succeed by giving out the money. In any case, those scholarships are used to get students who they wouldnt otherwise be able to get.
While that may sometimes be true, the friend I mentioned earlier did not get accepted to Emory or invited to interview at any other T-10’s besides UCLA 🤔 so you really just never know I guess! I think as someone mentioned earlier, the intangibles (and also letters of rec) most likely have the biggest impact
 
While that may sometimes be true, the friend I mentioned earlier did not get accepted to Emory or invited to interview at any other T-10’s besides UCLA 🤔 so you really just never know I guess! I think as someone mentioned earlier, the intangibles (and also letters of rec) most likely have the biggest impact

In that case, I would venture to say they guessed the competitiveness of your friend wrong. Not to say they werent competitive, clearly they were, just not “get into every t10 competitive”. If UCLA knew beforehand that they were going to be his best choice anyways, I doubt they would have given him/her the scholarship.
 
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Not sure. Pretty sure an application like mine is worthy of the Geffen and is what they are looking for. Demonstrated leadership, academic prowess, potential for inquisivity and discovery.

Will never know. Never got a secondary from them because of my cat IA. Seems ass backwards to be holistic in the back end instead of up front. Do you really wanna go to an ass-backwards school?

Was this a flex or an attack on UCLA? You decide lol
 
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Not sure. Pretty sure an application like mine is worthy of the Geffen and is what they are looking for. Demonstrated leadership, academic prowess, potential for inquisivity and discovery.

Will never know. Never got a secondary from them because of my cat IA. Seems ass backwards to be holistic in the back end instead of up front. Do you really wanna go to an ass-backwards school?

Was this a flex or an attack on UCLA? You decide lol

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Not sure. Pretty sure an application like mine is worthy of the Geffen and is what they are looking for. Demonstrated leadership, academic prowess, potential for inquisivity and discovery.

Will never know. Never got a secondary from them because of my cat IA. Seems ass backwards to be holistic in the back end instead of up front. Do you really wanna go to an ass-backwards school?

Was this a flex or an attack on UCLA? You decide lol

It was a flex
 
Not sure. Pretty sure an application like mine is worthy of the Geffen and is what they are looking for. Demonstrated leadership, academic prowess, potential for inquisivity and discovery.

Will never know. Never got a secondary from them because of my cat IA. Seems ass backwards to be holistic in the back end instead of up front. Do you really wanna go to an ass-backwards school?

Was this a flex or an attack on UCLA? You decide lol
 
One thing is for certain.

Legendary applicants receive the Geffen Scholarship. There are Geffen Scholars who have served in combat, saved lives, published groundbreaking research, and overcome immense adversity. There are some people in that cohort who look more like honest-to-God saints than like what you or I might think of when we see medical students. This is your competition for the Geffen: the applicant who grew up herding cows in Liberia, lost his leg to a stray bullet in the civil war that wracked the country, came to America, and founded a free clinic in the heart of Detroit. The woman who grew up in foster care and overcame her adversity to play soccer for Stanford, publish a first-author paper in Cell, and serve in the Peace Corps. The ordinary-seeming Iowan who is deeply committed to medicine, has thousands upon thousands of hours of volunteering, first-author publications, and has some difficult-to-articulate quality, some charisma, that makes adcoms think: "This man is the real deal." Your competition is tough, some would say legendary - and it is impossible to tell if you will receive the Geffen.
 
One thing is for certain.

Legendary applicants receive the Geffen Scholarship. There are Geffen Scholars who have served in combat, saved lives, published groundbreaking research, and overcome immense adversity. There are some people in that cohort who look more like honest-to-God saints than like what you or I might think of when we see medical students. This is your competition for the Geffen: the applicant who grew up herding cows in Liberia, lost his leg to a stray bullet in the civil war that wracked the country, came to America, and founded a free clinic in the heart of Detroit. The woman who grew up in foster care and overcame her adversity to play soccer for Stanford, publish a first-author paper in Cell, and serve in the Peace Corps. The ordinary-seeming Iowan who is deeply committed to medicine, has thousands upon thousands of hours of volunteering, first-author publications, and has some difficult-to-articulate quality, some charisma, that makes adcoms think: "This man is the real deal." Your competition is tough, some would say legendary - and it is impossible to tell if you will receive the Geffen.
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One thing is for certain.

Legendary applicants receive the Geffen Scholarship. There are Geffen Scholars who have served in combat, saved lives, published groundbreaking research, and overcome immense adversity. There are some people in that cohort who look more like honest-to-God saints than like what you or I might think of when we see medical students. This is your competition for the Geffen: the applicant who grew up herding cows in Liberia, lost his leg to a stray bullet in the civil war that wracked the country, came to America, and founded a free clinic in the heart of Detroit. The woman who grew up in foster care and overcame her adversity to play soccer for Stanford, publish a first-author paper in Cell, and serve in the Peace Corps. The ordinary-seeming Iowan who is deeply committed to medicine, has thousands upon thousands of hours of volunteering, first-author publications, and has some difficult-to-articulate quality, some charisma, that makes adcoms think: "This man is the real deal." Your competition is tough, some would say legendary - and it is impossible to tell if you will receive the Geffen.

Walter Raleigh may be banned, but he will never be forgotten
 
I knew a current Geffen scholar from undergrad. He was indeed a straight-A major in a hard science at a top 20 college, with multiple papers and a top 1% MCAT. He chose UCLA over HMS because they threw a mountain of cash at him.

Comparison is the thief of joy. Very few people are capable of being that kind of outlier. Try your best and you'll end up where you end up. Holding your future self to that kind of standard is just going to give you panic attacks over B+ grades in Chem101 and a miserable premed experience
 
Not sure. Pretty sure an application like mine is worthy of the Geffen and is what they are looking for. Demonstrated leadership, academic prowess, potential for inquisivity and discovery.

Will never know. Never got a secondary from them because of my cat IA. Seems ass backwards to be holistic in the back end instead of up front. Do you really wanna go to an ass-backwards school?

Was this a flex or an attack on UCLA? You decide lol

I can't imagine having an ego this big. I don't even want to try.
 
I assume that an applicant would need at least a 3.95 and a MCAT score of 523+ to get in. But, UCLA receives so many applicants with perfect stats who don't get in and some with stats like a 3.91 and a 519 who do get in. Is it holistic or strictly a numbers-based approach?
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