does anyone smoke?

[bustedgrill]

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NOT POt, if you do I don't care. Here's the thing, I myself am not a smoker, if you smoke you know the hazards, and I hope you quit asap. I am not trying to judge anyone, more or else find out how many of you are smokers and if you plan to continue to smoke in D-school.

I know only a couple of Predents at my school, and I know a whole mess of premeds. Almost every premed kid I know smokes cigs?! Is this what it is like at your school?

 

[ReallyCuteGirl]

NOT POt, if you do I don't care. Here's the thing, I myself am not a smoker, if you smoke you know the hazards, and I hope you quit asap. I am not trying to judge anyone, more or else find out how many of you are smokers and if you plan to continue to smoke in D-school.

I know only a couple of Predents at my school, and I know a whole mess of premeds. Almost every premed kid I know smokes cigs?! Is this what it is like at your school?

What if I think the hazards are worth the temporary moments of satisfaction? If you choose not to smoke, that's your choice and great for you. But if someone else chooses to smoke for the enjoyment which harms themselves in the process, that is also their right in this free country of ours. Also, don't give me that second hand smoke nonsense because SHS is like global warming - NO EVIDENCE.

Live and let live. Stop the damn Bureaucrats from overtaxing cigarettes to fill their budget gaps while pretending it's for a noble cause. Its unconstitutional and its frikin discrimination

 

[doc3232]

What if I think the hazards are worth the temporary moments of satisfaction? If you choose not to smoke, that's your choice and great for you. But if someone else chooses to smoke for the enjoyment which harms themselves in the process, that is also their right in this free country of ours. Also, don't give me that second hand smoke nonsense because SHS is like global warming - NO EVIDENCE.

Live and let live. Stop the damn Bureaucrats from overtaxing cigarettes to fill their budget gaps while pretending it's for a noble cause. Its unconstitutional and its frikin discrimination

Discrimination against smokers??? It's not racial so no one cares 😉

 

[denner]

What if I think the hazards are worth the temporary moments of satisfaction? If you choose not to smoke, that's your choice and great for you. But if someone else chooses to smoke for the enjoyment which harms themselves in the process, that is also their right in this free country of ours. Also, don't give me that second hand smoke nonsense because SHS is like global warming - NO EVIDENCE.

Live and let live. Stop the damn Bureaucrats from overtaxing cigarettes to fill their budget gaps while pretending it's for a noble cause. Its unconstitutional and its frikin discrimination

holy overreaction

All he did was ask if anyone smoked here and you took it to the level of him kicking in your door and taking the cigarettes out of your mouth. It's like you had that little speech planned and were waiting for someone to "diss" smoking just so you could use it, but I guess you jumped the gun a bit, huh?

And as far as the bolded above, there actually is evidence for the harm that second hand smoke causes (not that you would need it if you had a shred of common sense).

Just because you have your head in the sand pretending it doesn't exist doesn't make it go away.

 

[damienbp]

what if i think the hazards are worth the temporary moments of satisfaction? If you choose not to smoke, that's your choice and great for you. But if someone else chooses to smoke for the enjoyment which harms themselves in the process, that is also their right in this free country of ours. Also, don't give me that second hand smoke nonsense because shs is like global warming - no evidence.

Live and let live. Stop the damn bureaucrats from overtaxing cigarettes to fill their budget gaps while pretending it's for a noble cause. Its unconstitutional and its frikin discrimination

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[IyvanC]

I would like to see evidence proving that second hand smoke doesn't exist, before I go around looking for evidence that it does exist. The proof should go in the other direction

 

[JamesOSU]

I have proof. When someone smokes inside a room with me I go home stinky. And that is enough of a pain in my ass that they should be relegated outside to do their business. Smokers complain how they're forced to smoke outside, but truth be told, there are more non-smokers, and they complain when you smoke inside with them, because its disgusting. You reek, your teeth turn yellow, you increase your chances of lung/oral cancer. Sounds like the perfect 'temporary moment of satisfaction' for a pre-dent, lol.

 

[JamesOSU]

And just because there is little evidence about global warming doesn't make me want to tempt fate and spew billions of extra tons of carbon dioxide into the air. Where does that argument make sense? No proof so lets shower in SHS!

 

[JamesOSU]

Ah Ok One more thing:

The answer the OP, lol, I know several dental students who smoke. At first I was embarassed about my habit of drinking a couple of cans of pop (soda, coke, w/e) a day. Then I saw some of my classmates smoking, and I decided my pop habit was not a big deal, all things considering. Did confuse me quite a bit though.

 

[alanan84]

I have proof. When someone smokes inside a room with me I go home stinky. And that is enough of a pain in my ass that they should be relegated outside to do their business. Smokers complain how they're forced to smoke outside, but truth be told, there are more non-smokers, and they complain when you smoke inside with them, because its disgusting. You reek, your teeth turn yellow, you increase your chances of lung/oral cancer. Sounds like the perfect 'temporary moment of satisfaction' for a pre-dent, lol.

LOL this is what I'm talking about!! Regardless of whether it actually does damage, it's freaking disgusting! I don't want to be sucking that crap down my lungs while I'm just trying to have a nice dinner with my family. I love when smokers say they're being discriminated against. No one says you can't smoke, we're just saying you can't blow it in our faces!

 

[ucla2134]

Smoking is disgusting. End of story!

p.s It leads to periodontal diseases, kills your gum and can lead to oral cancer.

 

[alanan84]

In defense of those dental students that do smoke however, i'm sure they weren't thinking about their future career as dentists when they took that first smoke. It's not an easy addiction to quit either.

 

[musl85]

Smoking is disgusting. End of story!

p.s It leads to periodontal diseases, kills your gum and can lead to oral cancer.

nothing like telling your patients about smoking cessation only for them to go outside and find you sucking down a few...🙄

absolutely disgusting

 

[alanan84]

nothing like telling your patients about smoking cessation only for them to go outside and find you sucking down a few...🙄

absolutely disgusting

LOL, that's just awful

 

[BiomajorPreDent]

lol this thread is great

Anyway

OP: I know alot of pre-dents and pre-meds that smoke..which is wierd.

Maybe its from all the stress..haha

I cant figure it out..its gross

 

[4thMolar]

What if I think the hazards are worth the temporary moments of satisfaction? If you choose not to smoke, that's your choice and great for you. But if someone else chooses to smoke for the enjoyment which harms themselves in the process, that is also their right in this free country of ours. Also, don't give me that second hand smoke nonsense because SHS is like global warming - NO EVIDENCE.

Live and let live. Stop the damn Bureaucrats from overtaxing cigarettes to fill their budget gaps while pretending it's for a noble cause. Its unconstitutional and its frikin discrimination

I'm guessing you're a smoker...

 

[small]

I can't think of anyone in our class of 52 that smokes. Maybe it's the whole Colorado fitness thing.

 

[Oracle DMD]

there are people that smoke in almost every dental school. if you aren't a smoker, you prolly don't even know who they are. its not like they are lighting up between classes (usually)! haha what they do on their own time away from school is their buisness anyways.

 

[lazybummy]

What if I think the hazards are worth the temporary moments of satisfaction? If you choose not to smoke, that's your choice and great for you. But if someone else chooses to smoke for the enjoyment which harms themselves in the process, that is also their right in this free country of ours. Also, don't give me that second hand smoke nonsense because SHS is like global warming - NO EVIDENCE.

Live and let live. Stop the damn Bureaucrats from overtaxing cigarettes to fill their budget gaps while pretending it's for a noble cause. Its unconstitutional and its frikin discrimination[/QUOTE]

😕 Smoking is a choice.. not like your race, gender..

I know tons of premeds in my school that smoke.. i dunno that many predents.. so i can't comment on that

 

[xiphoidprocess]

Who cares if you do or dont smoke. To each his own. Maybe you guys should relax. everyone here is already dealing with the stresses of applying to dental school, getting their applications prepared, or studying for the DAT, whatever it may be. Life's a bitch. Some people turn to smoking as a stress relief. So what if they do? Leave them be. I've noticed a lot of people on this site are pretty intense. Go smoke something and lighten up!

 

[alanan84]

Who cares if you do or dont smoke. To each his own. Maybe you guys should relax. everyone here is already dealing with the stresses of applying to dental school, getting their applications prepared, or studying for the DAT, whatever it may be. Life's a bitch. Some people turn to smoking as a stress relief. So what if they do? Leave them be. I've noticed a lot of people on this site are pretty intense. Go smoke something and lighten up!

B/c as a Dentist it's hypocritical?

 

[Oracle DMD]

B/c as a Dentist it's hypocritical?

all doctors engage in some kind of behavior known to result in lowered health. they eat processed sugars and red meat and drink sodas instead of water and they aren't considered "hypocrites" really. as a dentist you are a human being and you act like one most of the time.

 

[ToldYouSo]

To the poster who said that there's no evidence for the problems of SHS, are you ******ed? Smoking causes the smoker damage to his/her body and that's with the cigarette having a filter in it, the smoke coming out from the tip of the cigarette isn't filtered and with other people around, they end up breathing it.

 

[armorshell]

😕 Smoking is a choice.. not like your race, gender..

And? Since when is it the government's business what consenting adults do of there own accord that has absolutely no effect on anyone else?

 

[ReallyCuteGirl]

😕 Smoking is a choice.. not like your race, gender..

I know tons of premeds in my school that smoke.. i dunno that many predents.. so i can't comment on that

Why does discrimination have to be about race or gender? The heavy tax on cigarettes is an act that punishes people that belong in the smokers group rather than on individual merit, and hence it is discrimination. Why don't we slap on a 200% tax on red meat so americans can stop getting so many heart attacks. Would that be fair?

B/c as a Dentist it's hypocritical?

It would not be hypocritical to smoke as a dentist unless you tell your patients not to smoke.

I would like to see evidence proving that second hand smoke doesn't exist, before I go around looking for evidence that it does exist. The proof should go in the other direction

If you claim that big foot exists, it is then your duty to prove that he does. Not the duty of others to disprove that he doesn't. You might find second hand smoke disgusting, and no one can argue that. But to claim that it causes cardiovascular and pulmonary diseases is another thing.

 

[Flipper405]

You might find second hand smoke disgusting, and no one can argue that. But to claim that it causes cardiovascular and pulmonary diseases is another thing.

Secondhand smoke causes disease and premature death in nonsmoking adults and children (4). Exposure to secondhand smoke irritates the airways and has immediate harmful effects on a person’s heart and blood vessels. It may increase the risk of heart disease by an estimated 25 to 30 percent (4).

4. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke: A Report of the Surgeon General. Rockville, MD: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Coordinating Center for Health Promotion, National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion, Office on Smoking and Health, 2006.

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Tobacco/ETS#q5

 

[ReallyCuteGirl]

To the poster who said that there's no evidence for the problems of SHS, are you ******ed? Smoking causes the smoker damage to his/her body and that's with the cigarette having a filter in it, the smoke coming out from the tip of the cigarette isn't filtered and with other people around, they end up breathing it.

Im not ******ed. Are you? "Mere exposure does not equate to toxcicity; it's the dose that makes the poison." -Basic principle of toxicology. If you know anything about The history of science, you would realize that things are not always the way it seems. Don't be such a simpleton.

 

[ReallyCuteGirl]

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Tobacco/ETS#q5

DID YOU KNOW?... - Enormous German study on passive smoke, cancer and cardiovascular disease says: >NO CONNECTION<

"We found a rather remarkably low SMR [standardized incidence ratio] for lung cancer among female cabin attendants and no increase for male cabin attendants, indicating that smoking and exposure to passive smoking may not play an important role in mortality in this group. Smoking during airplane flights was permitted in Germany until the mid-1990s, and smoking is still not banned on all charter flights. The risk of cardiovascular disease mortality for male and female air crew was surprisingly low (reaching statistical significance among women)."

http://www.forces.org/evidence/evid/second.htm

right back atcha

 

[ToldYouSo]

A little bit of a bad thing is still a bad thing. There is NO way you can say that cigarette smoke is good for you. The fact that you're trying to say SHS isn't as bad as it seems is very alarming.

 

[xiphoidprocess]

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[ToldYouSo]

DID YOU KNOW?... - Enormous German study on passive smoke, cancer and cardiovascular disease says: >NO CONNECTION<

"We found a rather remarkably low SMR [standardized incidence ratio] for lung cancer among female cabin attendants and no increase for male cabin attendants, indicating that smoking and exposure to passive smoking may not play an important role in mortality in this group. Smoking during airplane flights was permitted in Germany until the mid-1990s, and smoking is still not banned on all charter flights. The risk of cardiovascular disease mortality for male and female air crew was surprisingly low (reaching statistical significance among women)."

http://www.forces.org/evidence/evid/second.htm

right back atcha

That study was done what, 6-7 years ago? The cancer.org study was done only 3 years ago. Also, it's quite ironic that they studied flight attendants as opposed to other ppl, that you know, don't spend most of their life in an airplane, where the air ISN'T heavily filtered for smoke/impurities. =)

 

[Tommy43087]

Hey i smoke too(just picked the habit back up after quitting for a while, due to the stress) but if anyone thinks that second hand smoke is HARMLESS they must be at least semi ******ed lol You can throw all the evidence around disproving the harmful effects of SHS i will still flag it BS.

 

[Oracle DMD]

Hey i smoke too(just picked the habit back up after quitting for a while, due to the stress) but if anyone thinks that second hand smoke is HARMLESS they must be at least semi ******ed lol You can throw all the evidence around disproving the harmful effects of SHS i will still flag it BS.

how about everyone just be satisfied with SHS as not being beneficial in anyway. if anyone gad to choose between a room filled with SHS and without, we'd pick the one without. (unless the former was in a bar in which we reserve the right to change our opinion!)

 

[AuFox]

Well, I think that it is safe to say that SHS is harmful. It might not be as bad as most believe, but it definitely is bad. Everyone can argue about the severity of the damage it can cause, but at the end of the day everyone should agree that it is not healthy.

IMO, smoking in public places (indoors) should be banned because it forces others to breathe it in. I understand smokers have a right to smoke, but I have a right to breathe clean air, or at least air without cig-smoke.

Don't get the idea that I think being a smoker is bad. If that is what you want to do and you aren't harming anyone else, then I have no problem with it. Same thing goes with any other life choice that you make. As long as you arern't harming someone else then it really shouldnt be anyone's business.

 

[pokes]

It would not be hypocritical to smoke as a dentist unless you tell your patients not to smoke.

Wouldn't you be doing them a disservice not to?

 

[doc3232]

Come on...claiming second hand smoking does not increase chances of diseases is plain foolish. It requires common sense to see this. We don't need studies and reports to tell us SHS is unhealthy.

 

[Dentite99]

I'm sure some great dentists smoke and some great dentists don't, unless you're their mother or they're smoking in the opratory, who cares? They are just people.

 

[ReallyCuteGirl]

Come on...claiming second hand smoking does not increase chances of diseases is plain foolish. It requires common sense to see this. We don't need studies and reports to tell us SHS is unhealthy.

That's what they said about cellphones and brain tumors. Dont forget that common sense told us the universe revolves around earth and that heavy objects fall faster than lighter ones. So don't give your common sense too much credit. Science is not about common sense and even the most "obvious" claims must be thoroughly tested.

Even if second hand was harmful, it would only be fair to ban indoor smoking. But that still does not justify putting a 100% tax on cigarettes.

 

[pokes]

But that still does not justify putting a 100% tax on cigarettes.

Just on cigarettes designated to be smoked indoors?

 

[BiomajorPreDent]

This thread is getting heated

 

[D3ntalDud3]

something tells me ReallyCuteGirl probably isn't so cute on the inside

http://www.snakemannn.com/0nosmoke/11257767.JPG

but hey, keep fighting the good fight on trying to get those taxes down (or rather just complaining about them)...even though you're probably only making beds in a burning house.

 

[lazybummy]

And? Since when is it the government's business what consenting adults do of there own accord that has absolutely no effect on anyone else?

My point is.. I don't think she should label it as "discriminating" because she's placing it as equal plane as racism and sexism. All the gov is asking the smokers is to please smoke outside + add taxes to what u're purchasing. It's not as serious as restricting a certain group from obtaining education or being physically abused. "Discriminating" somewhat exaggerated no? U can pull the dictionary on me.. but i just don't think it's fair for "asking people to smoke outside" to be labeled with that word.

The last question.. u can say the same thing about alcohol. And i do think smoking has great effects on every1 else around.. my throat really hurts everytime after being around people who smokes.. maybe it's just me 🙄

 

[armorshell]

My point is.. I don't think she should label it as "discriminating" because she's placing it as equal plane as racism and sexism. All the gov is asking the smokers is to please smoke outside + add taxes to what u're purchasing. It's not as serious as restricting a certain group from obtaining education or being physically abused. "Discriminating" somewhat exaggerated no? U can pull the dictionary on me.. but i just don't think it's fair for "asking people to smoke outside" to be labeled with that word.

The last question.. u can say the same thing about alcohol. And i do think smoking has great effects on every1 else around.. my throat really hurts everytime after being around people who smokes.. maybe it's just me 🙄

Define discrimination however you want. As far as second-hand smoke, I doubt anyone is forcing you to be around people who are smoking (Unless you're a child in a household where parents smoke, which I absolutely don't agree with). If you don't like it, well, that's not the fault of those around you.

 

[lazybummy]

Define discrimination however you want. As far as second-hand smoke, I doubt anyone is forcing you to be around people who are smoking (Unless you're a child in a household where parents smoke, which I absolutely don't agree with). If you don't like it, well, that's not the fault of those around you.

Well when i was studying abroad .. i chose to dine in restaurants where customers who came in after I placed my order and my food had come.. where they began smoking right next to me. It really bothered me and my throat.. but what can i do? I felt like i was forced to hurry up and finish my food to leave.. Yes no1 forced me to be around them.. but is it fair for me to run out of a restaurant when the people could have helped it by smoking outside? One of the reasons why I appreciate American law 👍

 

[armorshell]

Well when i was studying abroad .. i chose to dine in restaurants where customers who came in after I placed my order and my food had come.. where they began smoking right next to me. It really bothered me and my throat.. but what can i do? I felt like i was forced to hurry up and finish my food to leave.. Yes no1 forced me to be around them.. but is it fair for me to run out of a restaurant when the people could have helped it by smoking outside? One of the reasons why I appreciate American law 👍

But you knew that was a possibility, and a likely possibility at that particular restaurant. I don't understand why we decided it was a great idea to take the decision out of the hands of the business owner, in something that's a private interest, not a public one.

If I'm allergic to fresh cut flowers, and a nearby restaurant has fresh cut flowers on every table, is it my right to demand they remove them as they are a health risk to me? What if there's spotty evidence that my allergy even exists, and I may in fact just "not like the smell?"

 

[bustedgrill]

But you knew that was a possibility, and a likely possibility at that particular restaurant. I don't understand why we decided it was a great idea to take the decision out of the hands of the business owner, in something that's a private interest, not a public one.

If I'm allergic to fresh cut flowers, and a nearby restaurant has fresh cut flowers on every table, is it my right to demand they remove them as they are a health risk to me? What if there's spotty evidence that my allergy even exists, and I may in fact just "not like the smell?"

I agree 100%- Too much government.

 

[bustedgrill]

What if I think the hazards are worth the temporary moments of satisfaction? If you choose not to smoke, that's your choice and great for you. But if someone else chooses to smoke for the enjoyment which harms themselves in the process, that is also their right in this free country of ours. Also, don't give me that second hand smoke nonsense because SHS is like global warming - NO EVIDENCE.

Live and let live. Stop the damn Bureaucrats from overtaxing cigarettes to fill their budget gaps while pretending it's for a noble cause. Its unconstitutional and its frikin discrimination

I didn't mean crack...

Aren't you just so oppressed!? I specifically said that I am not trying to judge you or anyone else. If you're a consenting adult and you smoke, that's your business and I think regardless of what profession you're in you still should have that right.

I'm thinking that many of us have or vices, and other ways we deal with stress of the whole app cycle and 4 years of undergrad. I fish, you might smoke, or do crack.

 

[AuFox]

But you knew that was a possibility, and a likely possibility at that particular restaurant. I don't understand why we decided it was a great idea to take the decision out of the hands of the business owner, in something that's a private interest, not a public one.

If I'm allergic to fresh cut flowers, and a nearby restaurant has fresh cut flowers on every table, is it my right to demand they remove them as they are a health risk to me? What if there's spotty evidence that my allergy even exists, and I may in fact just "not like the smell?"

SHS is harmful to everyone there, not just one or two individuals. I understand the private/public opinion, but I don't see why it is that big of a deal that you can't enjoy your meal and then smoke outside afterwards. I mean in that way everyone wins. The restaurant isn't smoky for those who don't want to breathe it in, and smokers can go outside and smoke after their meal.

It does sound ludacris that they are taxing cigarrettes that much though. Doesn't Obama smoke? Maybe he will fix things.

 

[ReallyCuteGirl]

SHS is harmful to everyone there, not just one or two individuals. I understand the private/public opinion, but I don't see why it is that big of a deal that you can't enjoy your meal and then smoke outside afterwards. I mean in that way everyone wins. The restaurant isn't smoky for those who don't want to breathe it in, and smokers can go outside and smoke after their meal.

It does sound ludacris that they are taxing cigarrettes that much though. Doesn't Obama smoke? Maybe he will fix things.

it is frikin nuts. They only get away with it here up here in the north east because everyone is all "omg global warming, lets save the world and all the trees and animals" but no one will dare raise taxes on cigarettes in the south cuz that's political suicide.

I agree with the smoking indoor thing, but a 100% tax? That is discrimination! Why the tax? Its obviously to bridge the 2 billion dollar budget gap we have here in the empire state, and no one will argue if you tax the "disgusting evil smokers."

 

[armorshell]

SHS is harmful to everyone there, not just one or two individuals. I understand the private/public opinion, but I don't see why it is that big of a deal that you can't enjoy your meal and then smoke outside afterwards. I mean in that way everyone wins. The restaurant isn't smoky for those who don't want to breathe it in, and smokers can go outside and smoke after their meal.

You're missing the point. Everyone who chooses to go to a bar/restaurant chooses to go of their own accord, knowing full well they might be exposed to smoke. If the PRIVATE business owner decides it's in the best interest of his customer base to allow smoking within his/her restaurant, they should be allowed to, and people who believe secondhand smoke is harmful, or just don't like it, can choose to go to another restaurant.