Does fear create illness?

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Someone recommended for me to get this book"Somatoform Disorders: A Medicolegal Guide by Michael Trimble"

I haven't gotten a chance to get it yet. But is there any truth to the ole saying of "If you don't fear an illness you won't get it?"

If it is true that fear leads to illness, I'd love for some people to recommend some books on that subject.

I think this would be something hard to scientifically prove because how do you prove what is going on in someones mind? Then go on to track if what they fear becomes true.

I'm just reading now about psychosomatic illnesses and how these people get all these illnesses and symptoms without any real cause for them. Very fascinating if you ask me.
 
I've seen enough blissfully ignorant diabetics to know that not fearing a disease will not keep the disease away from you. Fear (and the stress that comes with it) does produce real physical changes that decrease our ability to fight illness though, increased cortisol levels are a big contributor. A negative mindset can also amplify any perceived discomfort a patient has in a sort of feedback loop-- the person fixates on a symptom which makes the symptom more prominent in their life, which leads to more fixating. The mind goes a long way toward making us sick and keeping us well, which is why a healthy mind is more likely to sustain a healthy body.

Here is a good article on the topic with plenty of citations you can follow: http://www.csun.edu/~vcpsy00h/students/illness.htm
 
I've seen enough blissfully ignorant diabetics to know that not fearing a disease will not keep the disease away from you. Fear (and the stress that comes with it) does produce real physical changes that decrease our ability to fight illness though, increased cortisol levels are a big contributor. A negative mindset can also amplify any perceived discomfort a patient has in a sort of feedback loop-- the person fixates on a symptom which makes the symptom more prominent in their life, which leads to more fixating. The mind goes a long way toward making us sick and keeping us well, which is why a healthy mind is more likely to sustain a healthy body.

Here is a good article on the topic with plenty of citations you can follow: http://www.csun.edu/~vcpsy00h/students/illness.htm


Well what about this?

almost all physical illness have mental factors that determine their onset, presentation, maintenance, susceptibility to treatment, and resolution

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosomatic_medicine
 
I haven't gotten a chance to get it yet. But is there any truth to the ole saying of "If you don't fear an illness you won't get it?"

No. Already answered above. If I don't fear HIV doesn't mean I can start engaging in high risk behaviors and somehow be immune to it.

I hope your question was not influenced by the Deepak Chopra, quantum physics, Jedi philosophy "if you believe" it's going to happen to you stuff that's come out in the last few decades.

If it is true that fear leads to illness, I'd love for some people to recommend some books on that subject.

The textbook you were recommended is a good start. You could also read about it several of the psychiatric textbooks. They almost all have a psychosomatic section. As written, cortisol plays a heavy role into anxiety having deletrious effects on the body.

I think this would be something hard to scientifically prove because how do you prove what is going on in someones mind? Then go on to track if what they fear becomes true.

It's not the easiest thing but it can be done. For example, as an experiment, one could tell a person that if exposed to lice, they will experience an itch among other symptoms, then tell the person he may have been exposed to it (of course the person will not), and see if it causes any difference between a group not told they have it. Will the group told they were exposed to lice report a higher incidence of itching?
 
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It's not the easiest thing but it can be done. For example, as an experiment, one could tell a person that if exposed to lice, they will experience an itch among other symptoms, then tell the person he may have been exposed to it (of course the person will not), and see if it causes any difference between a group not told they have it. Will the group told they were exposed to lice report a higher incidence of itching?

Have fun at the IRB meeting.
 
Someone recommended for me to get this book"Somatoform Disorders: A Medicolegal Guide by Michael Trimble"


If it is true that fear leads to illness, I'd love for some people to recommend some books on that subject.

Peter Levine has written some good books on trauma, stress, etc..
 
I have a paranoid schizophrenic neighbor behind my house. Yesterday she told me that the distribution of snow in my back driveway was going to cause cars to crash into the front of her house, a block away. She confirmed her thoughts with a fictitious 3rd party, which made it the most interesting snow shoveling experience I've ever had!

But is there any truth to the ole saying of "If you don't fear an illness you won't get it?"

This woman doesn't fear being mentally sick. In fact, it would seem the delusion that she has no illness is one of her most central beliefs: it justifies her paranoia.

And what about other disorders with strong genetic components? Every kid with an extra copy of chromosome 21 has down's syndrome. How would this theory explain that?
 
I have a paranoid schizophrenic neighbor behind my house. Yesterday she told me that the distribution of snow in my back driveway was going to cause cars to crash into the front of her house, a block away. She confirmed her thoughts with a fictitious 3rd party, which made it the most interesting snow shoveling experience I've ever had!



This woman doesn't fear being mentally sick. In fact, it would seem the delusion that she has no illness is one of her most central beliefs: it justifies her paranoia.

And what about other disorders with strong genetic components? Every kid with an extra copy of chromosome 21 has down's syndrome. How would this theory explain that?


Well I'm not talking about purely genetic illnesses. I'm talking about illnesses that we see that trigger in some people and don't trigger in others. What i'm talking about is environmental issues. And the one in particular would be someone fearing illness and a person who is constantly saying negative things like as soon as they cough or sneeze they say stuff like " oh im sick again" "oh this cold is going to last forever"

Like wouldn't that type of person be at more risk of triggering any illness in that persons genetic disposition?

Where as someone who is constantly upbeat and constantly positive and someone who just constantly believes he is well until there is no other option. Wouldn't this person be at less risk of triggering illnesses in his genetic code? Environmentally speaking that is.


Also in regards to the woman you are talking about, I would wonder what could've been done as far as some kind of positive thinking/reinforcement or something to stop the illness from triggering. Cause I think its quite clear once an illness like that triggers that her thoughts are so messed up that it doesn't matter what she thinks.
 
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Like wouldn't that type of person be at more risk of triggering any illness in that persons genetic disposition?

A more stressed person is going to have altered cortisol response with potential for immune suppression and an increase in nonspecific inflammatory markers. To the extent that any illness might be modulated by these processes, yes, a more stressed person would be more apt to express a disease.

But the thought content would have absolutely nothing to do with it. Your neuroses about having a cold wouldn't modulate your cold specifically and not modulate some other nonspecific disease process related to inflammatory response, of which many are.
 
I hope your question was not influenced by the Deepak Chopra, quantum physics, Jedi philosophy "if you believe" it's going to happen to you stuff that's come out in the last few decades.

Though you have every right to warn the credulous enthusiasts against greedy popularizers of oversimplified philosophies and worldviews (and cardboard application of such complex theory to psychology, such as applying the concept of "nonlocality" to love over distance), quantum physics--properly understood and applied--is likely to be a major player in a paradigm shift in psychology and neuroscience, in the next few decades.

This, in my view, is related to limits of materialistic science. I anticipate some interesting scientific studies, using advanced technology and mathematical models, and influenced by philosophical view of Mind-body dualism; and perhaps a reframing of the "placebo effect." We may conclude that this dualistic view solves fewer problems and creates a heck of a lot more. But we may not. We may find that it has more explanatory power. And that concepts and ideas from quantum physics are applicable to brain cells and their interactions.

But we're years away from any sort of conclusion. And there are many, perhaps the majority, who are justifiably skeptical of using a major theory from physics and applying it here. But I think this is precisely what psychology needs, as a soft science. And we have been moving in that direction, for instance, with mathematics; just look at the number of studies that are making use of complex mathematical modeling. Could Freud have dreamed of this (no pun intended), of SSRIs and antipsychotics, of mathematical modeling? I think it's worth the try.

Schwartz, J. M., Stapp, H. P., & Beauregard, M. (2005). Quantum physics in neuroscience and psychology: A neurophysical model of mind–brain interaction. Biological Sciences, 360, 1309-1327.
 
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But the thought content would have absolutely nothing to do with it. Your neuroses about having a cold wouldn't modulate your cold specifically and not modulate some other nonspecific disease process related to inflammatory response, of which many are.

Usually yes. Remember symptoms can be influenced by the person's mental state. Several mental states that are associated with physiological states are modulated by the person's conscious.

There are, for example, studies showing that someone's level of inebriation is affected by the psychosocial. Give a guy 5 shots of vodka, put him in from of 5 nuns with rulers in their hands vs give a guy 5 shots of vodka in front of 5 strippers and the disinhibition will be more increased by the latter.

Likewise, if someone had a cold and thought they were going to die (and it's an over-reaction based on excessive anxiety), I would expect that person to have a much worse time dealing with it. The person could over-interpret the symptoms, then believe they are doing worse.

In a prior post, I mentioned the lice-itch thing because several coworkers and I, whenever we see a patient with lice or scabies get an itch sensation, yet none of us ever got it from a patient so far. It's purely psychosomatic. Unfortunately, I rarely see this taught is a psychiatric curriculum but I have seen this taught a few times while I was a psychology major.

A person who believes they have a cold but does not have one may actually end up getting one through an indirect process based on their false belief. E.g. if someone falsely believes they have a cold, they may believe that they do not need to be vaccinated and then may later end up getting a cold for real that could've been avoided with vaccination.

quantum physics--properly understood and applied--is likely to be a major player in a paradigm shift in psychology and neuroscience, in the next few decades.

Very much agree. I am well aware that Quantum Physics may play a role with the mind affecting reality. I've read up on this a few times during my college years when I was actually semi-proficient in physics to the point where I could actually understand some of quantum physics mentioned in studies. (Not anymore!) The problem, as you mentioned, is that too many people have taken it steps too far and apparently with a complete desire to profit. Deepak Chopra selling his meditation crystals and the claims of levitation by the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi that have been debunked (the meditation is supposed to create the feeling of levitation, not actual levitation itself).

I brought it up because I've seen a few people take the Quantum Physics thing too far. A good friend of mine in college failed out of engineering because, after reading some books on Quantum Physics, became convinced that he no longer needed to study and would pass all of his exams with flying colors simply based on his belief. This obviously did not work, and the worse he did, the more he attributed his poor performance to lack of faith and belief and then became more determined to do well simply by just believing he would. It obviously did not work.
 
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I think at this point we've blurred the line between psychosomatics and quantum physics and magic. Maybe we should merge this thread with the one trying to figure out which Harvard program is which Hogwarts Quidditch team.
 
I think at this point we've blurred the line between psychosomatics and quantum physics and magic. Maybe we should merge this thread with the one trying to figure out which Harvard program is which Hogwarts Quidditch team.

I think there are job openings at St. Mungo's...don't think they have a clinic in Charleston though.
 
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