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...how almost all animal/veterinary-related internships are unpaid? I mean, many I see are completely unpaid, with no housing or living stipend available.

I can see this being justified when you're working with extremely small organizations that have limited budgets. (For example, a local rehabilitation I work with literally crushes extra cans for money.) However, I just can't see justifications for larger zoos not paying even just a living stipend to interns. You can't tell me that 2k/person or something small like that couldn't be worked into a budget.

Maybe this is just a side effect of attending a heavy engineering uni... friends of mine have caught themselves some sweet deals, while finding interesting internships that even pay housing seems to be an ordeal for us pre-veterinary folks.

Just musing, and curious about others' opinions.
 
Believe it or not, I got a paid internship at my local shelter/SPCA last summer. I would never have known to ask about it, but the vet there suggested I apply. So ask around and you might be surprised what you come across...and don't forget non-profits!
 
It does suck. But since the beginning I've realized that you don't come into this field expecting to make money. IMO, many workers in animal-related career are underpaid. I've heard something that I don't know if it's true in other states or even just other regions. Around where I live, many hospitals say they need RVTs, but they either cannot hire one due to finance, or they underpay the RVT. Heck, 2k/person/month for the intern would be more than what I was paid last summer working full-time as a vet assistant. Now I have more experience, my boss pays me more. However, business is slow and everybody got an hour cut, so I don't make a living wage even now....
 
I'm not in the profession for the money... (yikes, I forgot how this forum can get about that. Maybe it should be in bold. :laugh:) However, if I want to not have outstanding loans from undergrad, I have to make some sort of money over summers. Or at least break even. In addition, the 2k figure was definitely not meant to be per month- I was just pulling a number out of the air to demonstrate paying for purely transportation/housing/food.

And I know paid opportunities exist- I'm just commenting on how a majority of them seem to provide near to nothing. I feel as though that is the effect of the sort of attitude just exhibited ("We're not in it for the money!") more so than many organizations truly not being able to pay those basic costs.
 
It did when I was a poor college student who worked higher paying jobs to ensure I had enough money to continue college (not to repay debt...but to buy beans and rice during the semester.)

Now that I have worked in a number of animal fields and hired a variety of interns, I completly understand. So, from the other side of the internship fence:

1) the simple economics of animal related fields enabled internships to avoid paying interns. The demand is simply higher at $0 than I can fill. So, why should I pay money to someone when I can have another person do it for free? Especially when I have thousands of other uses for that money?

2) of all the zoos in North America, only 5 were self-supporting in 2005. That means those larger zoos have to justify even a living stipend to various boards, committees and government officials, not to mention tax payers. Some of the self supporting zoos actually CHARGE for the more desirable unpaid internships.

3) the money that is used to pay an intern rarely recompensates itself. It rarely generates long term benefit to the organization. If you want a paid internship, you need to bring something amazing to the table which will either provide long term benefit, reduce costs, or increase revenue. Simple as that.

4)most interns are working for the experience they gained...paid internships are rare, generaly go to individuals who already did an unpaid, and who come to the internship with all the necessary skills in place...those skills that most interns are interning to learn.

5) interns generally cost money, even if they are unpaid. They must be supervised, liability insurance must be carried to cover them (sometimes additional riders), and they must be trained. If I have a group of interns with volunteers, I generally need to pay someone just to supervise them....meaning I won't pay them.

OK, so the basics behind us, I generally hired 4-16 unpaid interns over the year, most during the summer. I also hired 1-2 paid interns, 4-6 paid counselors for camp, 1 paid receptionist, 4-6 paid camp assistants, and 2 paid keepers/presesnters.

The most important people in that list were my keepers, follwed by my receptionist, then essentially everyone else. Unpaid interns were generally college students or adults who wanted to get thier foot in the door for employment. Rarely did they know how to work with exotics, and generally their skills around volunteers, safety systems, customers, etc were unknown. I typically maintained a list of projects that various departments wanted labor for that were more involved than we were willing to ask a volunteer to do, but not so involved that they needed specialized skills. Perhaps this was refurbishing an exhibit or helping in recovery (scouring clean) a building. During the summer, our kitchen staff often had an intern to assist with diet changes, behavioral enrichment, etc.

From those unpaid interns that reapplied next summer, I would have noted who worked well with staff, volunteers, customers, animals, etc. I would have also noted who showed up late, took the lead, was safety conscious, generated usable ideas, didn't complain, etc. I kept lists of ideas people had come up with the previous season....I would examine that and see if anything fit our zoo's needs. If it did, and the applicant had the skills and was exceptional, I might offer them a paid internship. Then there was a return in the outlay of money.

The only other times I offered paid internships involved individuals who came in and diagramed something impressive that would benefit us. We had an intern that put together a Teddy Bear Fair in November, a traditionally slow time (sociology student interested in early education). One who rebuilt our boat docks (which needed replacing) for less than we had planned to spend (engineer.) Another who stabilized the banks in our lagoon and left us with a 5 year plan to replace lost earth (enviro scientist.) Another that helped us move half the zoo onto carcass feeding (animal sci/nutrition.) The one I remember most is the person that helped install pathways in water prone areas that were a polymer mix of some sort, opening a new area of our zoo for exhibition.

As you can see, most of these individuals contributed to the zoo itself in a big way, which enabled me to justify paying them. All of those contributions were long term, resulting in multiple years of benefit. Also, they generally involved skills the individual brought to the table that were outside of the animal field, or were highly specialized within the field. The nutrition intern actually had a PhD in the field reviewing the diets she put together (a huge resource for us for free.) Typically, they weren't learning about the animals/husbandry/handling/etc as much as they were learning about project management, volunteer management, budgetting, timelines, etc.

Just thought I would share some views from the other side.
 
www.wildlife-rescue.org I interned there.. It is advertised as an animal care internship, but if you express interest in vet med youll get time in the vet room and there are TONS of meds to give and wounds to clean... and beleive me.. if you know what you are doing Megan (the vet) would looooove the help. Shes a great teacher too. I was able to land a "vet tech internship" for four months (right after I submitted VMCAS.. wtf). It was so cool. They give you like 100 a month plus free housing, which includes all utilities, wireless and you dont really need a car because you work 10 feet from your house. I was able to talk them into letting me take my dog and cat at no charge too. Just be careful about your cat.. theres lots of FIV/FeLv in the area and some trailers have pos. cats living with them.

Its a lot of hard work though.. and you truely are treated like an intern.. so dont expect any sort of experience is going to gain you any respect there. And expect to have your days off taken away from you if they are short staffed (which is all the time). It was worth it though.. 🙂
 
http://www.bigcatrescue.org/internship.htm This is available in TX. My office works closely with this organization. They are great people and even have an "apartment" building built on the premises to house interns for free and they do pay.

Also, the USDA offers paid internships for students. Now these may not be hands on with animals, but they do count as veterinary experience since it is veterinary public health and looks great on your application and exposes you to another career field in vet medicine.
http://www.da.usda.gov/employ/college-students.htm
 
I really wasn't looking for suggestions with this board... it was actually more of an opinion, and questioning what others think.

I'm quite aware that paid opportunities exist, especially once you begin moving away from animal care and into research/such. It is just interesting to look at the dynamics of internships now- at least money-wise, we seem to be shooting ourselves in the foot with our enthusiasm about animals.

Sumstorm, you always have such great responses. Thank you for your opinion. 🙂
 
I'm more annoyed at the ones that only allow students getting academic credit for it. I'm missing out on a lot of great experience just because I'm a non-trad.
 
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