Does it matter what kind of research lab you're in to med schools?

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Hi, I'm a premed student who's currently in a plant biology lab. Basically, it's a very genetics oriented lab that involves analyzing the progeny between mutants and wild type a. thaliana (type of model plant). There's a lot of planting a. thaliana, as well as seed extraction and dna extraction + PCR. Would med schools look down on me for this? I can't help but feel that being in a research lab that, say, did cancer research would be more impressive.

Thanks
 
Hi, I'm a premed student who's currently in a plant biology lab. Basically, it's a very genetics oriented lab that involves analyzing the progeny between mutants and wild type a. thaliana (type of model plant). There's a lot of planting a. thaliana, as well as seed extraction and dna extraction + PCR. Would med schools look down on me for this? I can't help but feel that being in a research lab that, say, did cancer research would be more impressive.

Thanks

No, why would they care?

My research was in biomechanics. We would measure the force on the neck doing yoga headstands, and compare it to other literature to see if it could cause long term damage! Most undergrad pre med researchers do things that "look good" on their application, but this is a common mistake. Do something you're interested in and it will look and sound much better to the adcoms.

Most of my friends were in bio and genetics labs, but I wasn't interested in that.
 
Medicine based lab is preferable to non-medicine based lab. But, what you produce while in the lab counts for far more than what the lab does. Don't do research for the sake of an application. Do research because you find it interesting, or there is a problem to be solved. Why do you think medical schools ask you to list research experiences? Research is about adding to the existing scientific knowledge, but more importantly (for the pre-med at least) it is an activity that pushes students to learn to think critically and problem solve.

Not only will you be much better at discussing your experiences on interviews, but you may actually learn something that will make you a better physician.
 
Frankly I don't see the utility of doing research as an undergrad if your goal is to just practice medicine. There's a reason >99% of physicians don't do research.
 
The research doesn't matter. It's simply something that proves you have a curious mind and that you think in a scientific manner.
 
Doesn't really matter as an undergraduate. For graduate work I think it might weigh a bit more heavily, but the commitment is much greater.

What matters is what you get accomplished. Most people won't have anything meaningful from their undergraduate research. Maybe a 2nd author publication or a poster.
 
Doesn't really matter as an undergraduate. For graduate work I think it might weigh a bit more heavily, but the commitment is much greater.

What matters is what you get accomplished. Most people won't have anything meaningful from their undergraduate research. Maybe a 2nd author publication or a poster.

A 2nd author pub is a big deal... I wouldn't compare it to a typical poster presentation.
 
I made a similar thread a couple weeks ago (and my research is in applied physics).

All replies said it should be alright.
The only downside to non-medical based research is that, for an MD/PhD application, it might be disadvantageous since you would be doing a PhD in biomedical sciences (so how is your research meaningful in that case?).
 
A 2nd author pub is a big deal... I wouldn't compare it to a typical poster presentation.

It depends on your involvement as a 2nd author. I spent 2 hours on an experiment once and I became a 2nd author. Some people get 2nd authors just because they're in the publishing lab.

A 1st author poster is a much larger commitment, and usually leads to a 1st author publication.
 
It depends on your involvement as a 2nd author. I spent 2 hours on an experiment once and I became a 2nd author. Some people get 2nd authors just because they're in the publishing lab.

A 1st author poster is a much larger commitment, and usually leads to a 1st author publication.
Adcoms don't know about that

They will ask you about it in the interview, though, just to see if you did really do enough work to get that 2nd author spot (as opposed to perhaps being made 2nd author because the 1st author or PI was a friend helping you out)
 
It depends on your involvement as a 2nd author. I spent 2 hours on an experiment once and I became a 2nd author. Some people get 2nd authors just because they're in the publishing lab.

A 1st author poster is a much larger commitment, and usually leads to a 1st author publication.

Any publication is way more impressive than just a poster. If you've got a poster at a big national conference and get a first-author published abstract out of it, that's one thing. To me a pub is bigger than that though, even as a low author.
 
It depends on your involvement as a 2nd author. I spent 2 hours on an experiment once and I became a 2nd author. Some people get 2nd authors just because they're in the publishing lab.

A 1st author poster is a much larger commitment, and usually leads to a 1st author publication.

Yeah? What journal did u get published in as 2nd author based off two hours of work?
 
Frankly I don't see the utility of doing research as an undergrad if your goal is to just practice medicine. There's a reason >99% of physicians don't do research.

I disagree with this, doing research often means reading background literature, which is a useful skill to be learned because as a physician you will have to read similar literature on new drugs and treatments. Medicine practiced today is a product of the research performed yesterday, they are very inter-related, hence the emphasis by medical schools. Additionally, as a physician it would be very useful to know exactly how research works, to understand that pathways and interactions aren't as cut and dried as they often appear to be in textbooks.
 
I disagree with this, doing research often means reading background literature, which is a useful skill to be learned because as a physician you will have to read similar literature on new drugs and treatments. Medicine practiced today is a product of the research performed yesterday, they are very inter-related, hence the emphasis by medical schools. Additionally, as a physician it would be very useful to know exactly how research works, to understand that pathways and interactions aren't as cut and dried as they often appear to be in textbooks.

Anyone can have an understanding of how research works by reading up on it. "What is this thing called science?" by AF Chalmers gives a very good understanding about how science works. However, in most cases (and I mean 99.9%), an intimate understanding of research in practice is not achieved at the undergraduate level even when you've worked in the lab for 1 year.

I'm sorry but I'm not convinced research is useful to any medical student unless he/she intends to engage in some form of research. There are successful MDs without an iota of research experience, thus demonstrating that prior research experience is not necessary to be a good doctor. It's also not necessarily true that research enhances "background reading".
 
Anyone can have an understanding of how research works by reading up on it. "What is this thing called science?" by AF Chalmers gives a very good understanding about how science works. However, in most cases (and I mean 99.9%), an intimate understanding of research in practice is not achieved at the undergraduate level even when you've worked in the lab for 1 year.

I'm sorry but I'm not convinced research is useful to any medical student unless he/she intends to engage in some form of research. There are successful MDs without an iota of research experience, thus demonstrating that prior research experience is not necessary to be a good doctor. It's also not necessarily true that research enhances "background reading".

Depends on what you mean by the bolded statement. If you're talking about project design, data interpretation, performing day-to-day experiments, learning to interact with a PI, and gaining experience making presentations and writing scientific literature, I'd say your statement is absolutely false. These things are achieved thousands of times over by premed students; I know because I've interviewed them and got to do this sort of thing myself as an undergraduate.

IMO the biggest reason research as an undergrad is useful as a medical student is the practice with presentations. I know I was terrified the first time I gave a scientific presentation at a conference as an undergrad, but after a few it gets a lot easier. I have no problem speaking in front of 100+ people, and the only reason is because I've had practice doing it. This skill alone has been useful many times over the past few years. The other thing this ties into is presentations to residents/attendings. You'll be doing this multiple times a day as a third/fourth year student, and if you are a confident public speaker it'll help a lot. Sure, you could probably get this experience through a public speaking class or something, but why not get the experience and throw some posters/publications on your CV?

Another issue to think about here is that at least in my class, the majority of students end up doing some type of research at some point. Want to do ENT, radonc, plastics, derm? You will do research, and may even take a year off to do it. Want to do neurosurg, rads, ortho, urology, anything with a 240+ board score average? Probably should plan on some research at some point just to keep up with everybody else (check out charting outcomes in the match and look at "mean # research experiences" for matched applicants). Any training in undergrad you did in research will help you here.

The two sentences in your second bolded statement are not related. I wholeheartedly agree that successful physicians do not need research training. However, this fact has nothing to do with the sentence preceding it. IMO doing research as an undergrad/med student is useful for a number of reasons that I've mentioned. Maybe the most important reason, though, is to get into some of the more competitive specialtys, some of which have a pseudo-requirement for research depending on the chair at your particular program.
 
I never said it was necessary to do research to be a good physician. I just said I think would be useful as a physician, hence their preference for people who have done research. You're arguing that it's completely useless to a physician who does no research, which is quite the extreme position to have. A safer statement would be that you feel medical schools over emphasize the relevance of research to the goals of a physician who doesn't care for research. I'd still tend to disagree, but see where you're coming from.

I agree with JJMrK, and concerning the presentation skills: I am now much more confident in presenting and defending my work to a room full of physicians and scientists having done it several times already through research. I plan on doing research as a clinician, but even if I had no such intentions, I still feel I am better off having done as much research as I have. Better off than you specifically or someone else who hasn't done as much? Not necessarily, but perhaps.
 
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