Does it need to be psych research?

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I am currently doing psych "research" (read: data entry, hopefully more involved later) this year to bridge the time (and try to get a LOR) until next years match. It is an unpaid position. My question is does it need to be psych research? I may be able to obtain a paid non-psych research gig.
 
No, it doesnt need to be psych research.

Your residency program cares more about the skills youve gained, than the actual research youve done. The research project doesnt come with you to residency, but the ability to read and understand journals, evaluate studies, study and apply science, and be enthusiastic about doing research in the future does come with you.

Goes for every specialty... besides Derm and RadOnc, because they can pick and choose.
 
I am currently doing psych "research" (read: data entry, hopefully more involved later) this year to bridge the time (and try to get a LOR) until next years match. It is an unpaid position. My question is does it need to be psych research? I may be able to obtain a paid non-psych research gig.

Our selection committee generally viewed participation in research as an indicator of drive and leadership potential. That being said, we really only paid attention to excellence. If you spent a summer extracting juice from rat pineal glands that resulted in 7th authorship on a conference abstract, that would elicit a yawn. If you spent most of your medical school career working with the same faculty member, demonstrated a deep interest in understanding racial disparities in access to HIV antiretroviral therapy and netted some 1st/3rd/7th author publications -- then, even though the research was not psych-related, it would be perceived as a noisy measure of some degree of promise that might in the future be applied to psych (eg., whether as a leader in organized psychiatry, as a leader in a clinical setting, or as a leader in psych research, etc).

If you were a marginal candidate (i.e., via grades, letters, personal statement, etc) then having "research experience" -- whether it consisted of one summer's worth of pipetting or whether you had obtained multiple first-authored publications -- never really helped you. Similarly, for marginal candidates we tended to overlook letters of reference from research supervisors. Our priority focus was on attempting to discern whether an applicant would make a good psychiatrist and a good psychiatry resident. Bottom line, from the perspective of our specific selection committee, research couldn't help compensate for critical deficiencies in a marginal application.
 
Our selection committee generally viewed participation in research as an indicator of drive and leadership potential. That being said, we really only paid attention to excellence. If you spent a summer extracting juice from rat pineal glands that resulted in 7th authorship on a conference abstract, that would elicit a yawn. If you spent most of your medical school career working with the same faculty member, demonstrated a deep interest in understanding racial disparities in access to HIV antiretroviral therapy and netted some 1st/3rd/7th author publications -- then, even though the research was not psych-related, it would be perceived as a noisy measure of some degree of promise that might in the future be applied to psych (eg., whether as a leader in organized psychiatry, as a leader in a clinical setting, or as a leader in psych research, etc).

If you were a marginal candidate (i.e., via grades, letters, personal statement, etc) then having "research experience" -- whether it consisted of one summer's worth of pipetting or whether you had obtained multiple first-authored publications -- never really helped you. Similarly, for marginal candidates we tended to overlook letters of reference from research supervisors. Our priority focus was on attempting to discern whether an applicant would make a good psychiatrist and a good psychiatry resident. Bottom line, from the perspective of our specific selection committee, research couldn't help compensate for critical deficiencies in a marginal application.

This makes sense. My involvement in research seems inadequate, no matter the level of involvement. Unfortunately, I cannot think of another way to "compensate for critical deficiencies" that are regrettably in my application, whatever the reason.

I honestly am worried about matching next year as well. Ah well.
 
This makes sense. My involvement in research seems inadequate, no matter the level of involvement. Unfortunately, I cannot think of another way to "compensate for critical deficiencies" that are regrettably in my application, whatever the reason.

I honestly am worried about matching next year as well. Ah well.

Couldn't you find some psych research where you'll be potentially the first author on something?
 
Couldn't you find some psych research where you'll be potentially the first author on something?

I have no idea how to go about that. I'd have to have my own study, right? Seems like it wouldn't matter much even if I did. Anyway, I need to make money, so its either paid non-psych research(no paying gigs around in psych) or mundane-job-for-a-year-time.
 
I have no idea how to go about that. I'd have to have my own study, right? Seems like it wouldn't matter much even if I did. Anyway, I need to make money, so its either paid non-psych research(no paying gigs around in psych) or mundane-job-for-a-year-time.

You'd have to find a PI that would let you run a study and do most of the writing. Easiest way to do that is to run a small study under someone's existing grant. It can be done. At your level, you're more likely able to be a second author, but plenty of med students have 1st author publications. If you need the money, I wouldn't sweat it though.

Keep optimistic! Just say "WWCKD"!?

(BTW, "WWCKD" = What would Captain Kirk do? 😀)
 
You'd have to find a PI that would let you run a study and do most of the writing. Easiest way to do that is to run a small study under someone's existing grant. It can be done. At your level, you're more likely able to be a second author, but plenty of med students have 1st author publications. If you need the money, I wouldn't sweat it though.

Keep optimistic! Just say "WWCKD"!?

(BTW, "WWCKD" = What would Captain Kirk do? 😀)

Thanks for the info. I will look into it.

WWCKD! Haha! 😀
 
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