Does Location of Residency Matter?

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Does where/what program you do residency matter for where you end up practicing that much?

I want to work/come back to San Diego no matter what. Do I HAVE to do residency in San Diego in that case? Or is going to just any residency in the field I want enough? Is this why "better" residencies matter, because they help you get where you want to practice more easily?

I appreciate any answers!

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Working in a certain area will depend on the demand for said work. If it is something more general, you are probably okay. If it something specialized, it may be more difficult or not even an option.

However, the short answer is "no." Practices want candidates from "good" programs that are a good fit into the practice's culture. Being very dedicated to working in San Diego can be a part of that. A practice would rather have a candidate from a "good" program that is a good fit than a candidate from #1 program who is a not-so-good fit. R
 
Does where/what program you do residency matter for where you end up practicing that much?

I want to work/come back to San Diego no matter what. Do I HAVE to do residency in San Diego in that case? Or is going to just any residency in the field I want enough? Is this why "better" residencies matter, because they help you get where you want to practice more easily?

I appreciate any answers!

I would try to open your mind a bit on places to live first of all - not everyone can live exactly where they want their whole life. There are plenty of surrounding areas you could practice (OC, LA ). If you are premed- realize this is the case for getting into med school (as you know) as well as residency but even worse- the match system determines where you go .

Not sure your specialty but getting into residency in San Diego is difficult as there is only one (very competitive) academic institution. Therefore, not all docs in the city come from UCSD...

I've heard the job market in SoCal is tough as well but probably won't be an issue getting a job somewhere (at least as a generalist) .
 
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Yeah depending on where you live it can be difficult to do school there. There are tons of schools and residencies in NYC, Florida, and Texas to where if you HAVE to stay there, it’s manageable. For whatever reason California only has a few schools at the top-end universities, making it difficult to stay over there.
 
Yes.

If you want to land your first job in a specific area, you have an advantage in doing a residency in that region. Regional practices have a preference for hiring people from the local region whether it be the fact that they did their training there or they have a lot of local ties to the region. Local physicians also are likely to know other local physicians, and word-of-mouth is huge in the physician world.

Now if you train at an Ivory Tower academic place, then that can help you land an academic job wherever. Similarly, these academic physicians know other academic physicians, and by word-of-mouth, can boost your stock. If you're OK with something less academic like a smaller community or private practice, then I believe location is more important.

If you have a choice and want to go academic, rank the Ivory Tower institutions at the top. If you don't necessarily want to do academics, rank by location.
 
It kinda depends on the specialty but for the most part it doesn't matter. Also, you don't choose where you get to do residency. The match does.
 
Short answer is no
Long answer is of course "it depends"

There is data out there I've seen thrown about that says something like 75% of doctors end up practicing within 250 miles of where they complete their final step in training (either residency or fellowship). I'm not sure the exact percentages or distance. I've also seen people talk about how "everyone goes back again" in the sense that many, many physicians return to areas where they've been previously even if they go elsewhere for training. Both of these ideas certainly makes sense - people who want to stay close to family are more likely to choose a training program close to home and to subsequently look for jobs close to home, and even if you are someone who has moved around for training (like me), when faced with the proposition of moving around with a spouse and kids, going places that are familiar is a lot more attractive than starting over and trying to put down new roots. I think many people readily feel nostalgia for places they used to live, the whole idea of class reunions and college homecoming festivities is based completely on that idea.

So from that perspective, in a general sense, training locations matter.
Even if you don't have any particular ties to an area when you arrive, where you train ends up creating a number of connections that are important in a job search. Your attendings, co-residents, and graduates of your program are most likely to be closer, and the reputation of your training program will be the strongest the closer you are.

And if you are single when you start residency and end up meeting that future spouse, odds are they will have connections to the area that will color your decision making.


On the other hand, there are certain specialties that require graduating trainees to conduct a fairly broad job search. These are usually small or niche fields that need a certain catchment area size or certain hospital resources that not every place is going to have. For example, as a PICU attending, there are only so many Pediatric ICU's, the majority of which are academic positions, and those that aren't academic tend to be smaller, lower acuity units that aren't appropriate for graduating fellows to finish their clinical development. With such a limited number of landing spots, it's very challenging to completely limit oneself geographically.

Additionally, certain career trajectories - namely those who are looking to do significant research time - also will have to go where the jobs take them, regardless of any special desire to stay in one spot. Whether it's a specific mentor, an institutional focus on your disease process, or just trying to find the right research support, the location often takes a backseat to nearly everything else.
 
As others have said, it will make it easier to find jobs and learn about available opportunities "through the grapevine" if your residency is in the same area that you would like to practice in. Reputation matters much more for an academic career than in something like private practice.

Outside of those particular situations, I would generally say that it is largely irrelevant.
 
I want to stay in ca or az and do something more "comp" like radiology, derm, or anesthesiology. Would it be helpful for me to do my residency in ca or az?
 
Does where/what program you do residency matter for where you end up practicing that much?

I want to work/come back to San Diego no matter what. Do I HAVE to do residency in San Diego in that case? Or is going to just any residency in the field I want enough? Is this why "better" residencies matter, because they help you get where you want to practice more easily?

I appreciate any answers!
No, but connections help especially if you want to work at a certain center.
 
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Well if there are open jobs, yeah.
I guess my question is since there are less dermatologists than fam med docs and ca is a popular place to live, would attendings who did their residencies in ca preferentially be hired over attendings who did their residencies in say, virginia?
 
I want to stay in ca or az and do something more "comp" like radiology, derm, or anesthesiology. Would it be helpful for me to do my residency in ca or az?
my friend I would recommend getting into medical school first.
 
my friend I would recommend getting into medical school first.
haha my bad shouldve said ive been accepted. and im comparing their residency lists to help me decide where to submit my deposit on dec 14th. some schools im looking at have more residents in ca and az, whereas others have less. so thats why i want to know if residency locn matters.
 
haha my bad shouldve said ive been accepted. and im comparing their residency lists to help me decide where to submit my deposit on dec 14th. some schools im looking at have more residents in ca and az, whereas others have less. so thats why i want to know if residency locn matters.
As some have said before, interpreting a match list is like reading tea leaves. There's so many unknowns when you're looking at that list, so I wouldn't put too much weight on it when determining where to go, apart from seeing if the specialties you're interested in are matching at generally good places.
 
As some have said before, interpreting a match list is like reading tea leaves. There's so many unknowns when you're looking at that list, so I wouldn't put too much weight on it when determining where to go, apart from seeing if the specialties you're interested in are matching at generally good places.
This. Now that I am going through the residency app process myself it’s obvious match lists are worthless. Location is playing a big role in my rank list, as is where I think I would culturally fit best. This will very likely lead to a match that is excellent for me, but will appear less sexy on a match list, and no one will know I had that place simply ranked higher than some bigger names.
 
haha my bad shouldve said ive been accepted. and im comparing their residency lists to help me decide where to submit my deposit on dec 14th. some schools im looking at have more residents in ca and az, whereas others have less. so thats why i want to know if residency locn matters.

Yes, residency location, medical school location, and match lists matter. I find it ironic that people say not to look at match lists when many medical students look at fellowship match lists when applying for residency. There is significant bias in terms of where you get your residency interviews depending on which medical school you go. And yes, people put residency location high on their priority list because the region you do your residency is usually where you end up staying, but going to a brand name program tends to open more doors in the future. That’s why most people at the Top 20 medical schools tend to match at Top 20 residency programs, even though I’m sure they have geographic preferences as well.
 
Yes, residency location, medical school location, and match lists matter. I find it ironic that people say not to look at match lists when many medical students look at fellowship match lists when applying for residency. There is significant bias in terms of where you get your residency interviews depending on which medical school you go. And yes, people put residency location high on their priority list because the region you do your residency is usually where you end up staying, but going to a brand name program tends to open more doors in the future. That’s why most people at the Top 20 medical schools tend to match at Top 20 residency programs, even though I’m sure they have geographic preferences as well.
Strongly agree with all of this. Since you are interested in relatively competitive specialities in popular states like Cali, it will serve you best to go to the most "prestigious" medical school regardless of location. Prestigious schools provide access to work with renowned faculty, research opportunities, and larger alumni network across the country. Some top schools have even done away with AOA or third year clerkship H/HP grades, so then you don't have to obsess over every single evaluation. Keep in mind that this is probably not the most ideal advice/pathway for someone interested in less competitive specialities.
 
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