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I was a chemistry major in undergrad and finished with a 2.7 cGPA/2.8 sGPA - family and financial issues hurt my freshman and sophomore years. I took a lot of upper level chemistry courses and a few upper level bio courses. Earned A's and B's in upper level courses. 129 credits accumulated for my undergrad career.

I know undergrad GPA is crucial to allopathic programs and would like to raise that as much as possible through post-bacc courses. I've looked through my undergraduate catalog and see a few potential courses: Biochemistry, Neurophysiology, Biology of Cancer, etc. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if there is enough courses at my alma mater to raise my GPA by a substantial amount.

If there are not enough courses to raise my GPA substantially, should I go straight to a Masters program?
 
If there are not enough courses to raise my GPA substantially, should I go straight to a Masters program?

Even if you were to 4.0 a full year of undergraduate coursework (30 credits) your cGPA would only rise to a 2.94. However, this GPA bump would put you in the competitive range for a few solid formal post-baccs and SMPs.

My suggestion would be to take another year of undergraduate coursework in order to give yourself more options when choosing a graduate program.
 
My suggestion would be to take another year of undergraduate coursework in order to give yourself more options when choosing a graduate program.

What if I have a good shot at entering a graduate program without the extra undergraduate course work, should I go straight to Master's? Also, thanks for your advice.👍
 
You need the extra year of undergrad classes @ 4.0, to even have a chance of getting into a SMP
 
You need the extra year of undergrad classes @ 4.0, to even have a chance of getting into a SMP

Couldn't a good performance at a traditional Master's Program supplant the extra year of undergrad and open the same SMP doors?
 
Who is taking you into a traditional masters with that GPA?

And traditional masters in what?
 
Despite my GPA, I do have quite a bit of research under my belt and have demonstrated that I can hang with the grad students. If accepted, I would be receiving a Masters in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology. A good performance in a master's program should be able to substitute for that extra year of undergrad, no?
 
Despite my GPA, I do have quite a bit of research under my belt and have demonstrated that I can hang with the grad students. If accepted, I would be receiving a Masters in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology.
You have proven you can't hang with you undergrads in the classroom, let alone grad students.
You might able to turn on a PCR machine but that doesn't mean someone is willing to let you get a masters. There is a classroom component you know?

And I hope for yoursake you are't hoping to do MD/PhD by your username.

As stated, you need a year of upper level undergrad classes @ 4.0, and then hope someone will take you in their SMP. That's your quickest most effective route
 
honestly,

a year of undergrad work would prob be the best bet. The GPA is pretty low for some of the better programs out there. Alot of them have limited seats, and they tend to pick students with at least a 3.0. It would be tough to get into one at the moment.
 
You have proven you can't hang with you undergrads in the classroom, let alone grad students.
You might able to turn on a PCR machine but that doesn't mean someone is willing to let you get a masters. There is a classroom component you know?

And I hope for yoursake you are't hoping to do MD/PhD by your username.

As stated, you need a year of upper level undergrad classes @ 4.0, and then hope someone will take you in their SMP. That's your quickest most effective route
Without getting into a long drawn out post, I'll just say that I hear what you're saying.

As for the MD/PhD, yes I do plan on getting both degrees. Whether it be through MSTP or separately, it doesn't really matter to me.

So back to my hypothetical scenario, if I were to gain acceptance to a Master's program, it should be able to make up for the undergrad, correct?
 
You have proven you can't hang with you undergrads in the classroom, let alone grad students.
You might able to turn on a PCR machine but that doesn't mean someone is willing to let you get a masters. There is a classroom component you know?

And I hope for yoursake you are't hoping to do MD/PhD by your username.

As stated, you need a year of upper level undergrad classes @ 4.0, and then hope someone will take you in their SMP. That's your quickest most effective route

A year of undergrad might help, but there are no hard and fast rules. Quite a few people get into the Boston University MA in Medical Sciences (a true SMP, I starting it soon) with GPAs under 3.0 (not me).

I left undergrad 4 years ago with a 3.2 GPA. I worked full time and then decided to go into medicine. I got sick of people telling me to "take more udergrad courses". I felt like it was beating a dead horse. I hope my refusal to take more undergrad courses works out. I'd rather bite the bullet and do an SMP or a masters before the SMP (Don't need to in my case) than take more undergrad classes.

Good luck OP with your decision.
 
Nobody's talking about MCAT. What's the MCAT to go with these GPAs? If you can't break 31, which is the matriculant average, then hush up about going to med school with a sub-3.0.

Don't go to an SMP with a sub-3.0 unless the SMP puts a published and very high percentage of its grads straight into med school. If you do EVMS or Cincinnati or Tulane ACP or similar, then your med school seat is yours to lose during the SMP. At other SMPs and SMP-like programs, it's your problem. So you'll be sitting there with your 2.8 and your SMP transcript and debt and then you'll have to go DO or Carib.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure if there is enough courses at my alma mater to raise my GPA by a substantial amount.
You don't have to go back to your alma mater. You can take more courses anywhere. IMHO not at a CC though.
If there are not enough courses to raise my GPA substantially, should I go straight to a Masters program?
These are two separate questions. If there aren't enough courses, find another school. Do a traditional masters if that's what you want to do, but don't plan on that work getting you into an SMP or into med school. Med schools and good SMPs evaluate you like a med school applicant. If you don't compare well to the other ~5000 applicants per school (~500 for SMP), why would they let you in?
Even if you were to 4.0 a full year of undergraduate coursework (30 credits) your cGPA would only rise to a 2.94. However, this GPA bump would put you in the competitive range for a few solid formal post-baccs and SMPs.
2.94 is not competitive range, it's the bottom of acceptable range.
Couldn't a good performance at a traditional Master's Program supplant the extra year of undergrad and open the same SMP doors?
An "extra year of undergrad" doesn't open any doors - there's no formula here. A cumulative undergrad GPA that starts with a 3 and shows an upward trend opens doors. A prolonged and diligent effort to disprove a poor undergrad performance opens doors. An acceptance that the odds are very much against you, with a sub-3.0, and a willingness to do anything and everything for years to get into med school, that opens doors.
As stated, you need a year of upper level undergrad classes @ 4.0, and then hope someone will take you in their SMP. That's your quickest most effective route
Agreed, if that year @ 4.0 gets the OP over 3.0.
As for the MD/PhD, yes I do plan on getting both degrees. Whether it be through MSTP or separately, it doesn't really matter to me.
It should matter. With MSTP, you have no debt on the other side of med school. If you otherwise do a combined PhD/MD and get funded, there's no debt on the other side of med school. Whatever job it is that you think you need both MD and PhD for, think about how you'll handle a quarter million in student debt along the way. A quarter million is normal med student debt, and a large portion of it accrues interest during deferment. Point being, if you do a PhD after med school, it'll cost you a couple hundred thousand at least in accrued interest. Funded or not.

If you don't have the credentials to get into MSTP or a funded MD/PhD, which you don't, and you have to have a PhD, then do the PhD first if you can get a funded position. Otherwise I see no way to handle the debt.
So back to my hypothetical scenario, if I were to gain acceptance to a Master's program, it should be able to make up for the undergrad, correct?
You have a 2.8/2.7 so you don't get to make any assumptions. You are extremely unlikely to get into med school, period. If you want to beat the odds and be the 2.8/2.7 who gets into med school, then do something directly aimed at improving your chances. With a 2.8/2.7, traditional grad work is a detour.
A year of undergrad might help, but there are no hard and fast rules. Quite a few people get into the Boston University MA in Medical Sciences (a true SMP, I starting it soon) with GPAs under 3.0 (not me).
And then what happens? Boston doesn't publish its percentages, so as far as anybody knows, most of those sub-3.0's end up in DO schools or Carib or not in med school at all. As do some of the 3.0+ students. For the record I know a BUMAMS student with a sub-3.0 who got an MD acceptance...but that was after multiple years of effort prior to BUMAMS.
I left undergrad 4 years ago with a 3.2 GPA....I hope my refusal to take more undergrad courses works out.
I hope it works out for you as well, but I doubt you'd refuse with a sub-3.0.

Best of luck to you.
 
Before doing a year of upper level science courses in undergrad I would calculate how much that would bring up your GPA compared to the GPA you'd have by retaking classes you got bad grades in. It might be faster to do grade replacement and become a DO. You might need to do grade replacement and then apply to a SMP, depending on what your GPA is after grade replacement. Find out the average GPA for DO schools you're interested in. Here is a list of do/phd programs.

BU MAMS has a 70% acceptance rate into US med schools (doesn't say MD or DO) and their average GPA is a 3.1. There are other programs like RFU BMS and Drexel IMS that will take sub 3.0s sometimes if your MCAT can compensate. Do some searching around this forum and you may find more, but of course investigate their record of getting people into med school.
 
Before doing a year of upper level science courses in undergrad I would calculate how much that would bring up your GPA compared to the GPA you'd have by retaking classes you got bad grades in. It might be faster to do grade replacement and become a DO. You might need to do grade replacement and then apply to a SMP, depending on what your GPA is after grade replacement. Find out the average GPA for DO schools you're interested in. Here is a list of do/phd programs.
Even with grade replacement - the OP still needs to do some grade inflation
 
It depends, if the OP has lots of Es, then retaking those classes could really bring the GPA up, but if they have lots of Cs, not so much.
 
It depends, if the OP has lots of Es, then retaking those classes could really bring the GPA up, but if they have lots of Cs, not so much.
By Es, i take it you mean Ds, as I've never seen someone get an E for a grade before.

And even then, thats still not going to cut it alone
 
Uhm it doesn't matter how may Es, Ds, or Cs you have average is average. Its going to take the same amount of As to pull up a 2.7. Just take the MCAT>> score 35 plus and you then do an SMP with research/thesis and you can easily get your choice of DO schools and surely a few MD schools.
 
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