Does "URM" carry any weight in DO?

[MightyMoose]

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Real world scenario James:

Facts
(1) People that are poor tend to have the most health needs
(2) Most people that are poor are also minorities.
(3) Minority medical doctors overwhelmingly practice in minority and areas in need.
(4) Illnesses of every race can pass to every race.
(5) Minority students often are poor students and often have lower scores
(6) Minority admitted students aren't less capable doctors

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I'm going to call you out on this one as I depart this thread for good... Most people that are poor in this country are white... It is the ratio of poor to wealthy in each group that shows a larger proportion of minorities are poor within their group. This is an important distinction you would benefit from knowing in the future.

 

[Brigade4Radiant]

I was going to write a response to your post, but I've realized that you wouldn't understand it, since you are clearly having a difficult time with the rest of my posts. By the way, "poor Asians" was a figure of speech, not implying they were impoverished and Asian... It is written the way I intended it, as are the rest of my posts, but it seems hard for the blinded liberals in this thread to follow... I guess if it doesn't follow with a free hand-out you guys aren't interested (I'll specify this to liberals, otherwise you'll take it out of context again with those stellar reading comp skills...).

Let me be perfectly clear about my point: It is wrong to make special considerations or rules in the medical school admissions process on the basis of race. As others have pointed out, this is racism.

Uh ok so you are too stupid to counteract my points and then say "Well I could make an argument than could blow you out of the water...but you wouldn't understand"

Coming from a guy who says well... poor isn't really poor... Yes free hand out minorities get in with lower stats but they still have to jump through hoops pay tuition and go through intense medical training. But ORMs who get in with the same number as ORM don't get any hand outs no sir.

Nope you have to give different treatment for a group that was discriminated against for years and even with the hoops you still have URMs making 7% of the medschool pop which is equal to ORMs with stats that are stds below the mean and about 1/3 of those URMs have MCATS above 30.

You said it was racism but then say that economic status should be considered. That is classism. It's also pretty telling that you think you are entitled to tell who medschools should let in and who "deserves" spots as if you were a god.

 

[md2bknox]

I truly don't think anyone cares until it affects their chances of getting into medical school. I have read most of the points on here, A. this was not suppose to be a debate, the OP wanted a simple yes or no answer? B. Dharma, you sound bitter, if everything is fair then everything should be fair. URMS and Disadvantage applicants should not have any type of advantage in the medical app process, that's fair. According to one of your first post, you explained it should pretty much be as is, so why would disadvantage get a one up? That would also imply that in all things being equal, but it's not.
To me this shows how cut throat premeds can truly be, but we should think about the populations we are planning on serving. Unless you are going to decide to go back to these underrepresented communities (which ORMs are probably not because they are not apart of that community in the first place) I would definitely think about the repercussions that this may have by making all things equal...I'm actually disgusted to see that this is how people truly think, no one cares about diversity at all.
It's unrealistic to say we should fix societal issue, because again who is more inclined to fix these issues..that would be URMs, the ones that have been through it. The funny thing is if med committees decided to change this and it was only to serve the purpose to disadvantage students, I think everyone would still have a problem because it would still be a higher number of miniorities! *Hello*😱

 

[hiyaman]

I don't think so, because a number of URM's within DO school MCAT/GPA ranges end up getting accepted into MD programs. Sure, some might opt to go the DO path, but I don't know if carries the same amount of weight.

http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/table25-black-mcatgpagrid.pdf

Realistically, below those averages, someone just isn't going to make the med school cut DO or MD. So, I would find it hard to fathom that DO schools would reduce their admissions standards to bring in more minority students.

It looks like it starts to get a little rough for URM's at about a 20 MCAT and 3.2 GPA for US MD programs. I think the MCAT is low for 99% of the DO programs and the GPA is a little low for most DO programs. But then again, if you're a URM and you have a 24 MCAT apparently a 2.8 GPA is the cutoff... Haha. It's crazy to look at these stats. It always bothers me when I see them...

This is just my spin though.

I wonder how a person with a 3.8+ Gpa could score a 5-14 on the mcat total?? it says 17 applicants 2 accepted lol wtf?

 

[Brigade4Radiant]

I'm going to call you out on this one as I depart this thread for good... Most people that are poor in this country are white... It is the ratio of poor to wealthy in each group that shows a larger proportion of minorities are poor within their group. This is an important distinction you would benefit from knowing in the future.

As most medstudents who have low stats are white. The proportion is just larger for minorities.

 

[Dharma]

blah blah blab blah to all previous above and future below posters (even me). it's all been said twice and three times over, its over.

😴

 

[JamesLMT]

blah blah blab blah to all previous above and future below posters (even me). it's all been said twice and three times over, its over.

😴

Great mindset, this is how people are forged and new discoveries are made...by not discussing things that are still relevant.... exactly.... You know what, we shouldn't discuss anything that has been discussed before, because, you know it has been discussed before so it would just be OVER. Based on this stupid mindset, progress would never be made. You sir, are going to be one GREAT doc with that mindset.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Great mindset, this is how people are forged and new discoveries are made...by not discussing things that are still relevant.... exactly.... You know what, we shouldn't discuss anything that has been discussed before, because, you know it has been discussed before so it would just be OVER. Based on this stupid mindset, progress would never be made. You sir, are going to be one GREAT doc with that mindset.

You must forgive Dharma, he/she is a New Yorker.

 

[Dharma]

wow James, lighten up yo! i was making a joke. holy cow! shove some coal up there and pop out some bling bling. for real, though... Frankie says relax.

 

[Dharma]

And thank you punkmed. I take that as a compliment. 😀

 

[BestDoctorEver]

Can a moderator close this thread?...It's getting beyond ridiculous.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Can a moderator close this thread?...It's getting beyond ridiculous.

Dude, no one has commented in this thread for 2 days...that's basically death by no interest in this forum, but now you've started the cycle all over again.🙄

 

[Corpsman Up]

Wow. DO schools pick the best applicants who happen to have lower stats, but MD schools can't do the same with URM? So URMs who have lower stats are not a good/best/viable applicant?



So its okay if you're economically disadvantaged and have lower stats but its not okay if you're a URM with lower stats and get accepted? OKay.🙄

Was this supposed to be a serious point or were you being sarcastic? Please dont tell me you actually think this way....

 

[JokerSeven]

Edit: Nevermind, apparently my race works against me lol.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Was this supposed to be a serious point or were you being sarcastic? Please dont tell me you actually think this way....

Think what way?

 

[Ignatius M.D.]

Economic diversity is far more indicative of disadvantage. A black student that has a father that graduated from Georgetown law, and a mother from Columbia P & S has probably never lacked for anything. This is a rare type of student though, and statistically minorities are far more likely to come from disadvantaged backgrounds (although I'm white, and grew up at poverty level). It shouldn't be something that is too drastic (a 3.1/27N getting into Penn), but I don't think that we can afford to completely ignore the circumstances under which people grew up. This is a large part of what makes people who they are, and in reality some people have to overcome much more than others to be successful.

 

[cliquesh]

All medical schools are required to have X percent of minority students per class. Otherwise, the school will not be eligible for government funding, including loans and NIH research grants.

Edit: oops, I didn't know this was such an old thread.