Does your DO school publish the average USMLE score for your class?

[Dr.Bruh]

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I go to KCUMB and noticed our school displayed the class board average this year (not public I don't think, but internally). Was curious what other DO school are averaging for USMLE going into the merger.

COMLEX: 549.18 (n=380)
USMLE: 227.18 (n=274)

 

[BorntobeDO?]

I have learned over the years that my schools 'internal' data isn't worth the electrons its projected on. Any time I compare it to mandated reporting the mandated is always worse. KCUMB may be different, but I take all internal data with a grain of salt at this point.

 

[Dr.Bruh]

I have learned over the years that my schools 'internal' data isn't worth the electrons its projected on. Any time I compare it to mandated reporting the mandated is always worse. KCUMB may be different, but I take all internal data with a grain of salt at this point.

I feel like its legit bc the numbers were constantly changing as the n increased with each release date. Averages started higher, like 560/230 but crept down as the number of scores came back. But who knows.

 

[Neopolymath]

You think my school would be transparent about this?! HAHAHAHA

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Yeah my school does and because our class size is smaller I think it’s accurate.

226 Step (n=37)

We had 10 240+ scores and 20 600+

 

[Dr.Bruh]

Yeah my school does and because our class size is smaller I think it’s accurate.

226 Step (n=37)

We had 10 240+ scores and 20 600+

How big is your class?! I know 12 250+ and many 230-240s so I feel like upper 220s is accurate too.

 

[ortnakas]

My school did not publish this. I know in 2016 when I took it, they told us everyone who attempted it passed-- but also only 50-66% of the class (I don't remember) attempted it.

 

[hungrydoc710]

Yes our averages were told to us.
Don't recall the COMLEX avg score, was only interested in USMLE - ours was 234.

 

[GwBXtRTrVktW9E]

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[Dr.Bruh]

Where is this internally displayed?

Kc360. Only my class can see it

 

[Ho0v-man]

224 from the class of 2020 iirc. One person failed step 1. But only about 1/3 took it.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

How big is your class?! I know 12 250+ and many 230-240s so I feel like upper 220s is accurate too.

About 110. So only a third took it.

 

[ritts]

My school did not publish this. I know in 2016 when I took it, they told us everyone who attempted it passed-- but also only 50-66% of the class (I don't remember) attempted it.

the only thing I've heard for our class this year is that the COMLEX average was in the 560's, slightly above average. I haven't heard anything about Step 1 but I heard less than 1/3 took it. It'll be interesting this year because the Class of 2022 is "required" to take it. Curious to see how that goes

 

[Dr. Death]

About 110. So only a third took it.

Whats the data on my class?

 

[Dr.Bruh]

the only thing I've heard for our class this year is that the COMLEX average was in the 560's, slightly above average. I haven't heard anything about Step 1 but I heard less than 1/3 took it. It'll be interesting this year because the Class of 2022 is "required" to take it. Curious to see how that goes

Surprised so few take it. KCU has had more and more take it each year. 75%+ now with around 80-85% doing to the ACGME pre merger.

 

[ElCucuy]

I go to KCUMB and noticed our school displayed the class board average this year (not public I don't think, but internally). Was curious what other DO school are averaging for USMLE going into the merger.

COMLEX: 547.78 (n=355)
USMLE: 227.18 (n=274)

KCU 360 has listed 450ish students combined between campuses (c/o 21-23). Why is the number of comlex scores only 355? That’s nearly 20% less than students enrolled currently?


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[ritts]

Surprised so few take it. KCU has had more and more take it each year. 75%+ now with around 80-85% doing to the ACGME pre merger.

I was shocked too. A lot of students were planning on taking it but punked out as soon as they started taking practice tests. The Step 1 average in past years was ~230 but only the top 30-50% of the class took it

 

[Dr.Bruh]

My

KCU 360 has listed 450ish students combined between campuses (c/o 21-23). Why is the number of comlex scores only 355? That’s nearly 20% less than students enrolled currently?


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My class only has 390ish. Not sure why its only 355. I'm assuming 390 isn't correct bc we did lose a lot of people. I know they don't let you sit for boards until you pass all 2nd year courses so maybe the discrepancy has to do with second years who failed stuff or have to repeat. Not sure tho.

 

[fldoctorgirl]

KCU 360 has listed 450ish students combined between campuses (c/o 21-23). Why is the number of comlex scores only 355? That’s nearly 20% less than students enrolled currently?


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The number of students is always changing....just last week I logged on and it was one less than it was like 2 weeks ago.

 

[ElCucuy]

My

My class only has 390ish. Not sure why its only 355. I'm assuming 390 isn't correct bc we did lose a lot of people. I know they don't let you sit for boards until you pass all 2nd year courses so maybe the discrepancy has to do with second years who failed stuff or have to repeat. Not sure tho.

Damn then the class of 22 and 23 are both significantly larger as I know they are 450ish in 360.

355 just seems too low even if you take into account failures and what not, but it is what it is I suppose.


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[sab3156]

I am curious as to why these numbers even matter. The Step 1 averages published by any DO school (other than RVU or any other that requires the exam of all students) are meaningless due to the obvious selection bias and sampling bias, among other issues. Not much you can do with statistically useless data.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Whats the data on my class?

I don’t think they’ve told us the Step average, but COMLEX was a 525 I think. So higher than our class, even more so when you consider the national average was lower your year.

National average this year for COMLEX is currently 536. Our average was 519.

 

[Ho0v-man]

I don’t think they’ve told us the Step average, but COMLEX was a 525 I think. So higher than our class, even more so when you consider the national average was lower your year.

National average this year for COMLEX is currently 536. Our average was 519.

Where did you get that data? 536 seems super low, but maybe I’m just on sdn too much lol.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Where did you get that data? 536 seems super low, but maybe I’m just on sdn too much lol.

Directly from the official report we were given from one of our admins who said they were given that number as the most recent average from the NBOME.

I think we’re just on SDN too much lol. In real life most students don’t walk around with 240+/600+. I think sometimes we forget how solid those numbers are even though on SDN they are the average.

 

[Ho0v-man]

Directly from the official report we were given from one of our admins who said they were given that number as the most recent average from the NBOME.

I think we’re just on SDN too much lol. In real life most students don’t walk around with 240+/600+. I think sometimes we forget how solid those numbers are even though on SDN they are the average.

Doesn’t help when we also only look at charting outcomes of fields with some of the highest scores lol

 

[Isoval]

Neither of ours are published, but I know what they are.

Last I heard, our USMLE average was 235 and COMLEX was 592.93 (for our recently graduated C/O 2018). About 80% of our class sits for USMLE.

 

[Dr. Death]

OSU class of 2020, 45/110ish took it, average 232

 

[getfat]

You think my school would be transparent about this?! HAHAHAHA

"Level 1 Average = Pass"

"Step 1 = Why you askin bra"

 

[Deecee2DO]

I have learned over the years that my schools 'internal' data isn't worth the electrons its projected on. Any time I compare it to mandated reporting the mandated is always worse. KCUMB may be different, but I take all internal data with a grain of salt at this point.

this is so true

 

[Deecee2DO]

Neither of ours are published, but I know what they are.

Last I heard, our USMLE average was 235 and COMLEX was 592.93 (for our recently graduated C/O 2018). About 80% of our class sits for USMLE.

damn what school? a 235 is wicked high

 

[Deecee2DO]

If people are essentially using the same materials for Step 1 (UFAPS for the most part) what are some schools doing that is making the difference since there is such a large discrepcancy where some have 235 avgs and others 224. Is it the students theyre accepting or the curriculum? or both?

 

[12jas]

If people are essentially using the same materials for Step 1 (UFAPS for the most part) what are some schools doing that is making the difference since there is such a large discrepcancy where some have 235 avgs and others 224. Is it the students theyre accepting or the curriculum? or both?

It’s been said before the data is worthless unless your school requires the entire class to take it. Essentially the average is skewed high because only the better students are taking it.

 

[sab3156]

damn what school? a 235 is wicked high

If people are essentially using the same materials for Step 1 (UFAPS for the most part) what are some schools doing that is making the difference since there is such a large discrepcancy where some have 235 avgs and others 224. Is it the students theyre accepting or the curriculum? or both?

Come on, these reported averages are statistically useless. What would you think of a publication about the success of a new drug, if it was highly likely that only the healthiest patients were electing to be part of the study and that all the data was self-reported among subjects? Now what if you had numerous similar drugs with the same flawed data? I hope people would have enough basic common sense to be able to avoid asking questions like "wow, what makes drug X so much better than drug Y?!"

 

[Isoval]

damn what school? a 235 is wicked high

UNTHSC/TCOM

 

[cjcarter]

My school just gave us our averages over the past 5 years, including my class and surprisingly 75% of my class took Step 1. USMLE 230, COMLEX 560’s (I don’t remember the exact number).

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

If people are essentially using the same materials for Step 1 (UFAPS for the most part) what are some schools doing that is making the difference since there is such a large discrepcancy where some have 235 avgs and others 224. Is it the students theyre accepting or the curriculum? or both?

Student selection. Our school has a mission which leads to more admits with lower stats who start medical school and more a laid back approach I.e a desire for PC, which then translates to lower board averages. It can even fluctuate at schools from year to year, the class ahead of us had a much more academic personality and that was reflected in their averages.

I want to further emphasize how useless this data is overall. My class, while having lower board averages and an overall non-specialty heavy class focus, still has people in it with CVs and scores that can honestly go head to head with students from literally any other medical school and yes that includes the elite places. Board scores are completely dependent on the student.

 

[Cath Up]

Neither of ours are published, but I know what they are.

Last I heard, our USMLE average was 235 and COMLEX was 592.93 (for our recently graduated C/O 2018). About 80% of our class sits for USMLE.

I read this and I was like "this guy must be in Texas", then I saw that you are in Texas.

 

[Deecee2DO]

Student selection. Our school has a mission which leads to more admits with lower stats who start medical school I.e a desire for PC, which then translates to lower board averages. It can even fluctuate at schools from year to year, the class ahead of us had a much more academic personality and that was reflected in their averages.

I want to further emphasize how useless this data is overall. My class, while having lower board averages and an overall non-specialty heavy class focus, still has people in it with CVs and scores that can honestly go head to head with literally students from any other medical school. Board scores are completely dependent on the student.

Thank you