Doesn't it suck to be a CA resident?

[TeethRgreat]

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So I was thinking, in comparison with the other applicants in the US, we are basically FORCED to pay 250k+ for dental school. It is very difficult for us to go to any of the less expensive options for a couple reasons.
-Our state schools shouldn't even be considered state schools. UCSF and UCLA basically charge as much as a private institution, ~250k. Western, USC, LLU, and UoP are all ridiculously expensive (over 300k).
-If we do decide to go out of state, we have to pay OOS tuition fees. So lets say for example... the texas schools. They accept only around 7 OOS residents so the competition is very high.

So what are our options?

1. NYU -expensive
2. Tufts -expensive
3. Temple -expensive
4. Boston University -expensive
5. Midwestern AZ
6. Creighton
7. Louisville
8. Pittsburgh
9. Western -expensive
10. Maryland
11. USC -expensive
12. Case Western -expensive
13. Buffalo
14. Virginia Commonwealth
15. Nova -expensive
16. Michigan
17. Marquette
18. Indiana
19. Detroit Mercy
20. Midwestern IL
21. UConn
22. Kentucky
23. UNLV -expensive
24. ASDOH-expensive
25. Loma Linda-expensive
26. Penn-expensive
27. University of Pacific-expensive
28. Columbia-expensive
29. Harvard -expensive
30. UCSF -expensive

What are the cheapest schools on that list? (these are the schools taken from the stickied thread that accept out of state residents. I marked "-expensive" next to the schools that I know are expensive, the rest I wasn't sure about. The bold ones are the schools that I don't know the estimated cost of attendance for.

 

[MechZZ]

Avoid this terrible fate for your children and father some offspring in Texas.

 

[kdentg]

So I was thinking, in comparison with the other applicants in the US, we are basically FORCED to pay 250k+ for dental school. It is very difficult for us to go to any of the less expensive options for a couple reasons.
-Our state schools shouldn't even be considered state schools. UCSF and UCLA basically charge as much as a private institution, ~250k. Western, USC, LLU, and UoP are all ridiculously expensive (over 300k).
-If we do decide to go out of state, we have to pay OOS tuition fees. So lets say for example... the texas schools. They accept only around 7 OOS residents so the competition is very high.

So what are our options?

1. NYU -expensive
2. Tufts -expensive
3. Temple -expensive
4. Boston University -expensive
5. Midwestern AZ
6. Creighton
7. Louisville
8. Pittsburgh
9. Western -expensive
10. Maryland
11. USC -expensive
12. Case Western -expensive
13. Buffalo
14. Virginia Commonwealth
15. Nova -expensive
16. Michigan
17. Marquette
18. Indiana
19. Detroit Mercy
20. Midwestern IL
21. UConn
22. Kentucky
23. UNLV -expensive
24. ASDOH-expensive
25. Loma Linda-expensive
26. Penn-expensive
27. University of Pacific-expensive
28. Columbia-expensive
29. Harvard -expensive
30. UCSF -expensive

What are the cheapest schools on that list? (these are the schools taken from the stickied thread that accept out of state residents. I marked "-expensive" next to the schools that I know are expensive, the rest I wasn't sure about. The bold ones are the schools that I don't know the estimated cost of attendance for.

Go to UNLV. You get in-state tuition after the 1st year. But then again COA for instate is still $74,000/year. And OOS is $106,000. So yeah, you're still screwed.

 

[TeethRgreat]

Avoid this terrible fate for your children and father some offspring in Texas.

not sure if I follow you, i can't read inflexion/tone over the net.... I'm talking about dental school costs, not where to practice/raise a family afterward.

Go to UNLV. You get in-state tuition after the 1st year. But then again COA for instate is still $74,000/year. And OOS is $106,000. So yeah, you're still screwed.

hahaha yeah, that's still pretty expensive.

 

[cbizzle7994]

not sure if I follow you, i can't read inflexion/tone over the net.... I'm talking about dental school costs, not where to practice/raise a family afterward.

He/she was saying that you are right that it sucks to be a CA resident in terms of cost for dental school and that you should make your kids' lives easier by making them Texas residents so they can apply to the Texas schools as in-state if they choose to go into dentistry.

 

[TeethRgreat]

He/she was saying that you are right that it sucks to be a CA resident in terms of cost for dental school and that you should make your kids' lives easier by making them Texas residents so they can apply to the Texas schools as in-state if they choose to go into dentistry.

oh yeah, of course. Haha not really sure why I didn't read it that way in the first place. Thanks for clearing that up

 

[cbizzle7994]

Also, I know Buffalo isn't that bad tuition wise because, at least in the past, you are able to get in-state after 1 year and in-state isn't too expensive. Something like 55-60k with living expenses and fees

 

[321931]

Doesn't it suck to be a Dental Student? We pay loads more than medical students. When I first decided to be a Pre-Dent, I thought that Medical School was way more expensive. Boy was I wrong. 😳

UCLA Medical School: 18,000-19000
Stanford Medical School: ~45,000

Plus, I think Medical schools have more financial aid/scholarship opportunities. Two of my college buds got full rides. I don't know how "common" that is. Does anyone know?

Can keep going and going. Why Dentistry WHY!

 

[Spit]

Ya that sucks man, so many options of having in state schools that prefer residents from there state, and so many options of schools that are at least within the same state as where you live/your family lives 🙄 See, us people up here in Washington only have 63 spots were applying for at an in state school, and some of those spots are required to go to WICHE states. If we dont make one of those spots were paying 300+ to go out of state or to a private school, and the next closest school basically never takes WA residents(OHSU). Sure there are a lot more people that live in Cali, but I'd rather have been applying as a Cali resident.

 

[Machiavelliansm]

Uhhh, did you not get the memo? Stuff in california is expensive. Perfect weather comes at a price.

 

[MechZZ]

not sure if I follow you, i can't read inflexion/tone over the net.... I'm talking about dental school costs, not where to practice/raise a family afterward.

Lets break it down! =D

You have a problem with cost of dental school cause all the schools your instate schools are expensive and the majority of your out of state schools are expensive as well!

Lets saaaay one day your children want to be dentist too! Save them the heartache of paying that much for dental school and don't raise them in California. I pick Texas cause they're very well known for having low tuition and highly preferring in state residents!

IT'S TOO LATE FOR YOU! THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

The joke is not as funny if I have to explain it.

 

[TeethRgreat]

Ya that sucks man, so many options of having in state schools that prefer residents from there state, and so many options of schools that are at least within the same state as where you live/your family lives 🙄 See, us people up here in Washington only have 63 spots were applying for at an in state school, and some of those spots are required to go to WICHE states. If we dont make one of those spots were paying 300+ to go out of state or to a private school, and the next closest school basically never takes WA residents(OHSU). Sure there are a lot more people that live in Cali, but I'd rather have been applying as a Cali resident.

Yeah, you are in a similar predicament. Although I wouldn't place to much emphasis on the number of in-state schools that cali has. There are probably over 5x as many dental school applicants from CA than WA. (in 2005, there were 1,385 CA applicants applying, and 273 WA residents); And, each school accepts a significant number of out-of-state residents. All the CA schools are expensive, so even OOS residents will take cheaper options despite wanting to be in California because it's California.

Lets break it down! =D

You have a problem with cost of dental school cause all the schools your instate schools are expensive and the majority of your out of state schools are expensive as well!

Lets saaaay one day your children want to be dentist too! Save them the heartache of paying that much for dental school and don't raise them in California. I pick Texas cause they're very well known for having low tuition and highly preferring in state residents!

IT'S TOO LATE FOR YOU! THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

The joke is not as funny if I have to explain it.

Yeah, I got it lol

 

[TeethRgreat]

Doesn't it suck to be a Dental Student? We pay loads more than medical students. When I first decided to be a Pre-Dent, I thought that Medical School was way more expensive. Boy was I wrong. 😳

UCLA Medical School: 18,000-19000
Stanford Medical School: ~45,000

Plus, I think Medical schools have more financial aid/scholarship opportunities. Two of my college buds got full rides. I don't know how "common" that is. Does anyone know?

Can keep going and going. Why Dentistry WHY!

That is true, why is dental school so much more expensive than medical school?

 

[cmcner]

That is true, why is dental school so much more expensive than medical school?

Equipment and 2 years of clinical time.

 

[prsndwg]

So I was thinking, in comparison with the other applicants in the US, we are basically FORCED to pay 250k+ for dental school. It is very difficult for us to go to any of the less expensive options for a couple reasons.
-Our state schools shouldn't even be considered state schools. UCSF and UCLA basically charge as much as a private institution, ~250k. Western, USC, LLU, and UoP are all ridiculously expensive (over 300k).
-If we do decide to go out of state, we have to pay OOS tuition fees. So lets say for example... the texas schools. They accept only around 7 OOS residents so the competition is very high.

So what are our options?

1. NYU -expensive
2. Tufts -expensive
3. Temple -expensive
4. Boston University -expensive
5. Midwestern AZ
6. Creighton
7. Louisville
8. Pittsburgh
9. Western -expensive
10. Maryland
11. USC -expensive
12. Case Western -expensive
13. Buffalo
14. Virginia Commonwealth
15. Nova -expensive
16. Michigan
17. Marquette
18. Indiana
19. Detroit Mercy
20. Midwestern IL
21. UConn
22. Kentucky
23. UNLV -expensive
24. ASDOH-expensive
25. Loma Linda-expensive
26. Penn-expensive
27. University of Pacific-expensive
28. Columbia-expensive
29. Harvard -expensive
30. UCSF -expensive

What are the cheapest schools on that list? (these are the schools taken from the stickied thread that accept out of state residents. I marked "-expensive" next to the schools that I know are expensive, the rest I wasn't sure about. The bold ones are the schools that I don't know the estimated cost of attendance for.

Dont forget the crazy competition we all go thru in order to get into our state school 🙄

 

[Osity]

Ya that sucks man, so many options of having in state schools that prefer residents from there state, and so many options of schools that are at least within the same state as where you live/your family lives 🙄 See, us people up here in Washington only have 63 spots were applying for at an in state school, and some of those spots are required to go to WICHE states. If we dont make one of those spots were paying 300+ to go out of state or to a private school, and the next closest school basically never takes WA residents(OHSU). Sure there are a lot more people that live in Cali, but I'd rather have been applying as a Cali resident.

I know, those CA people sure do have it rough. SIX dental schools in their own state. I can't believe how incredibly rough it is for them, not to mention, like Spit did, the state schools that take almost all CA residents.

It is rough for people that don't have a single state school. Here's a list of them:

1) Alaska
2) Arkansas
3) Delaware
4) Hawaii
5) Idaho
6) Kansas
7) Maine
8) Montana
9) New Hampshire
10) New Mexico
11) North Dakota
12) Rhode Island
13) South Dakota
14) Utah (they're in the process of getting one-still not accredited and will be a private school)
15) Wyoming

That's just under a third of the United States. They have two options: go to a private school and pay really high tuition, or go to a public school and pay really high tuition as an OOS student.

Obviously, there are some programs (WICHE, RDEP/IDEP, etc.) that help with the costs, but they require you to return to your own state to practice to take advantage of the tuition discount.

My point is that you DO NOT have it rough being a CA student. Six schools, including two state schools, does not make it rough.

Even if you do have to pay higher tuition compared to some states, you more that likely don't even have to move out of the state to go to dental school. And the reason tuition is higher: that would be because CA has no clue financially. If you remember, they have had several cities (and Orange Country itself) that have filed bankruptcy.

 

[AtlantaBraves]

Osity, I don't think you can really compare California to the states you mentioned. For example, California has about 6 times the amount of colleges that Washington has. That means 6 times as many applicants competing for spots. And it is true that most of the schools in California accept mostly California residents, but not by much compared with other state schools that only accept 1 or 2 out-of-state residents. Most of the California schools accept a pretty significant amount of out-of-state applicants. Western accepted you didn't they? Yes, it is cool that you could possibly stay home and go to school. But, it's not like all of the schools in California are evenly dispersed though. For example Loma Linda, Western, USC, and UCLA are all within a 1 or 2 hours of each other. UOP and UCSF are less than half an hour away. So more than likely, even California residents are going to have to move. Anyways, I am just saying Californians have it worse than most in my opinion, but do they have it the worst? Probably not.

 

[phlemfish]

just a small correction although Utah hasn't officially had a dental school until this year we have been counted as a state that has a dental school ever since University of Utah started a program where 8 students start at U of U and then move on to Creighton so consequently I am really not going to feel very sorry for the originator of this post since utah puts out an insane number of applicants with little to no chance of getting into the "state school" of less than 10 students per year. We didn't catch any breaks on being considered for in state because we are considered as a state with a dental school. Anyone who gets accepted should just feel very lucky to get in since you beat about 300:1 odds to get there. There are only a select few who really have inexpensive in state options.
I am with Machiavelliansm this awesome weather may be just worth the price (back in utah where I am from it is 20 degrees right now).

 

[TeethRgreat]

I know, those CA people sure do have it rough. SIX dental schools in their own state. I can't believe how incredibly rough it is for them, not to mention, like Spit did, the state schools that take almost all CA residents.

It is rough for people that don't have a single state school. Here's a list of them:

1) Alaska
2) Arkansas
3) Delaware
4) Hawaii
5) Idaho
6) Kansas
7) Maine
8) Montana
9) New Hampshire
10) New Mexico
11) North Dakota
12) Rhode Island
13) South Dakota
14) Utah (they're in the process of getting one-still not accredited and will be a private school)
15) Wyoming

That's just under a third of the United States. They have two options: go to a private school and pay really high tuition, or go to a public school and pay really high tuition as an OOS student.

Obviously, there are some programs (WICHE, RDEP/IDEP, etc.) that help with the costs, but they require you to return to your own state to practice to take advantage of the tuition discount.

My point is that you DO NOT have it rough being a CA student. Six schools, including two state schools, does not make it rough.

Even if you do have to pay higher tuition compared to some states, you more that likely don't even have to move out of the state to go to dental school. And the reason tuition is higher: that would be because CA has no clue financially. If you remember, they have had several cities (and Orange Country itself) that have filed bankruptcy.

It is true that they do have it worse than CA residents. But lets be honest here. Look at the number of CA residents applying to dental school in comparison to residents of those states. Compare Alaska with...19 dental school applicants to california's 1,385 applicants (2005). I would hope that a state with that many applicants would have the most in-state schools, and give a preference to in-state residents.

This thread isn't saying that "california is the worst state to live in!" That is not at all the intention of this thread. I was simply stating how much more expensive it is as a CA resident. ("perfect weather" in my opinion is not worth 150k for 4 years). To each his own.

 

[Osity]

just a small correction although Utah hasn't officially had a dental school until this year we have been counted as a state that has a dental school ever since University of Utah started a program where 8 students start at U of U and then move on to Creighton so consequently I am really not going to feel very sorry for the originator of this post since utah puts out an insane number of applicants with little to no chance of getting into the "state school" of less than 10 students per year. We didn't catch any breaks on being considered for in state because we are considered as a state with a dental school. Anyone who gets accepted should just feel very lucky to get in since you beat about 300:1 odds to get there. There are only a select few who really have inexpensive in state options.
I am with Machiavelliansm this awesome weather may be just worth the price (back in utah where I am from it is 20 degrees right now).

I agree 100% with you. Utah puts out a ridiculous amount of applicants for 10 spots. Even then, you only get your first year of in-state tuition at the University of Utah, and then you can be reimbursed if you come back and practice in Utah (much like the WICHE program).

@ AtlantaBraves/TeethRGreat-I definitely agree that CA has more dental applicants (probably more than any other state in the country, because they have the highest population), but it doesn't mean they are any worse off than anyone else (excepting the state schools that have ridiculously low in-state tuition rates, but then again, everyone is worse off than they are).

My point is this: it costs 90% of dental students, regardless of where they are from, $300k+ for school. Yes, it does suck that your state schools' tuition is rising, but nearly everyone else is paying the same as you.

By the way, TeethRGreat, where can you see the number of applicants by state?

 

[TeethRgreat]

I agree 100% with you. Utah puts out a ridiculous amount of applicants for 10 spots. Even then, you only get your first year of in-state tuition at the University of Utah, and then you can be reimbursed if you come back and practice in Utah (much like the WICHE program).

@ AtlantaBraves/TeethRGreat-I definitely agree that CA has more dental applicants (probably more than any other state in the country, because they have the highest population), but it doesn't mean they are any worse off than anyone else (excepting the state schools that have ridiculously low in-state tuition rates, but then again, everyone is worse off than they are).

My point is this: it costs 90% of dental students, regardless of where they are from, $300k+ for school. Yes, it does suck that your state schools' tuition in rising, but nearly everyone else is paying the same as you.

By the way, TeethRGreat, where can you see the number of applicants by state?

I used:

http://www.jdentaled.org/cgi/content/full/72/11/1290

See table 1. This is the data for 2005-2006, i'm sure there is more up to date information somewhere else.

Also, I guess i was mainly referring to what I put in bold in your quote. I wasn't saying that CA is the worst, but just pointing out that there are better.

 

[AtlantaBraves]

Yeah, you're right Osity. Probably not fair to say worse. More accurate to say the worse of all schools with dental schools maybe? Anyways, I am just happy to have been accepted!

 

[Osity]

Yeah, you're right Osity. Probably not fair to say worse. More accurate to say the worse of all schools with dental schools maybe? Anyways, I am just happy to have been accepted!

Me too, I'm very happy to be accepted. And the worst of all the states with a DS? Could be. We'd have to see what their tuition rates are like.

@TeethRGreat-Awesome table. From that looks like Delaware applicants (all 20 of them in 2005) have it the worst since they have no state school or agreement with anyone else. That would be rough.

 

[angelnyc89]

Avoid this terrible fate for your children and father some offspring in Texas.

 

[Kahr]

When did you realize that dental school was expensive (for Californian's)? If I were in your shoes and wished I could get for example, into a Texas dental school, I would have considered going to Texas for undergrad instead of California. It's still not too late though, you could put off Dental school and move somewhere else, earn residency and apply as in-state.

Just from reading your thread's title, I'm gonna go ahead and answer it (since it has a question mark in it😉), no it does not suck for many reasons, but for me as a future OOS applicant to CA dental schools, that's the main one. Of course, I'll be an OOS applicat no matter where I apply. Though I assure you, I will never start a thread complaining about being a HI resident.

 

[doc toothache]

So I was thinking, in comparison with the other applicants in the US, we are basically FORCED to pay 250k+ for dental school. It is very difficult for us to go to any of the less expensive options for a couple reasons.

Unless JB has made ds mandatory in CA one can basically unforce him/herself from applying saving the mega bucks.

 

[AtlantaBraves]

Unless JB has made ds mandatory in CA one can basically unforce him/herself from applying saving the mega bucks.

doc toothache, why are you so arrogant?

 

[Maygyver]

I would have much rather been a CA resident throughout my life.

 

[bballrules]

I heard that the avg dentist income is pretty high compared to others in Cali, but when you factor in income tax and all the taxes that Cali has, does it even out with the average dentist? It's harsh how a dentist only keeps about 60% of what he makes in Cali. I know other states may have higher or equal tax rates as Cali but what are your thoughts of a dentist working in Cali? Thanks

 

[Zetch]

I agree with the OP. UCSF and UCLA might as well stop pretending to be public. They are too expensive, as a CA resident, I don't plan on attending any dental school here if I get accepted. Out of state and a cheap tuition will do it for me. If it means moving out of state for 4 years, I'll be happy to do it than accrue a debt so large I will have a stroke when I'm half way paying it.

 

[Machiavelliansm]

I agree with the OP. UCSF and UCLA might as well stop pretending to be public. They are too expensive, as a CA resident, I don't plan on attending any dental school here if I get accepted. Out of state and a cheap tuition will do it for me. If it means moving out of state for 4 years, I'll be happy to do it than accrue a debt so large I will have a stroke when I'm half way paying it.

Get into a UC first, then talk.

 

[Maygyver]

I agree with the OP. UCSF and UCLA might as well stop pretending to be public. They are too expensive, as a CA resident, I don't plan on attending any dental school here if I get accepted. Out of state and a cheap tuition will do it for me. If it means moving out of state for 4 years, I'll be happy to do it than accrue a debt so large I will have a stroke when I'm half way paying it.

You guys still have great institutions for undergrad education. Stop complaining and go elsewhere if you aren't happy with it. I would have much rather gone to a UC school.

 

[LaFleur]

You guys still have great institutions for undergrad education. Stop complaining and go elsewhere if you aren't happy with it. I would have much rather gone to a UC school.

👍👍👍

In response to the OP:

There are plenty of people who have it worse than y'all but you don't hear us creating threads to complain.

Life isn't fair and complaining gets you nowhere. Accept it and move on.

 

[hopefullyadent]

You guys still have great institutions for undergrad education. Stop complaining and go elsewhere if you aren't happy with it. I would have much rather gone to a UC school.

'great institutions for undergrad education'...thats easy for someone who is NOT a part of the UC system to say that

 

[AtlantaBraves]

👍👍👍

In response to the OP:

There are plenty of people who have it worse than y'all but you don't hear us complaining.

Life isn't fair and complaining gets you nowhere. Accept it and move on.

Isn't that what you're doing in this post? I think the OP was just venting... If you don't wanna hear it, then don't read it.

 

[prsndwg]

I think this thread is to be closed soon🙄

 

[321931]

I agree with the OP. UCSF and UCLA might as well stop pretending to be public. They are too expensive, as a CA resident, I don't plan on attending any dental school here if I get accepted. Out of state and a cheap tuition will do it for me. If it means moving out of state for 4 years, I'll be happy to do it than accrue a debt so large I will have a stroke when I'm half way paying it.

🙄

I think this quote wins the thread.

First off, good luck getting into a UC then talk.

Second off, where will you go where there is "cheaper" tuition? Most cheap state schools accept very very very very few OOS. There isn't even a point in applying to those schools(Texas) unless you have a 4.0/25. So that is out of the question. Thirdly, if you do get into a moderatly priced school, establishing in-state tuition usually takes a year. Therefore, you end up paying for OOS tuition. Lastly, all private schools cost an arm and leg, so thats also out of the question.

All in all, the debt comes out to about the same as a California school. There is no easy way out unless you move.

 

[TeethRgreat]

Okay, I'm not sure why some people are getting so emotionally involved in this thread. The main point about this thread is CA is expensive. I never said that CA residents have it the WORST, but that there are better states (such as TX) to be residents of in these times. So please calm down, I was venting.

You guys still have great institutions for undergrad education. Stop complaining and go elsewhere if you aren't happy with it. I would have much rather gone to a UC school.

Also, UC's are good schools....But intro class sizes range from 300 to 800 people; my intro bio course had 790 people. There are better schools to go to that are much cheaper in other states. Why? Because CA is EXPENSIVE. Which was my entire point of this thread.

🙄
Second off, where will you go where there is "cheaper" tuition? Most cheap state schools accept very very very very few OOS. There isn't even a point in applying to those schools(Texas) unless you have a 4.0/25. So that is out of the question. Thirdly, if you do get into a moderatly priced school, establishing in-state tuition usually takes a year. Therefore, you end up paying for OOS tuition. Lastly, all private schools cost an arm and leg, so thats also out of the question.

All in all, the debt comes out to about the same as a California school. There is no easy way out unless you move.

Exactly.

 

[LaFleur]

Because CA is EXPENSIVE. Which was my entire point of this thread.

I honestly don't see the point of this being a thread on this forum. If you want to go vent, there is a venting thread in the Lounge.

 

[TeethRgreat]

I honestly don't see the point of this being a thread on this forum. If you want to go vent, there is a venting thread in the Lounge.

Lol, I was also posting questions that were never answered. I was interested in knowing what the best options would be for a CA resident. thanks for your insightful input though 🙂

 

[AtlantaBraves]

I honestly don't see the point of this being a thread on this forum. If you want to go vent, there is a venting thread in the Lounge.

Then why are you wasting your time posting on it?

 

[Oracle DMD]

So I was thinking, in comparison with the other applicants in the US, we are basically FORCED to pay 250k+ for dental school. It is very difficult for us to go to any of the less expensive options for a couple reasons.
-Our state schools shouldn't even be considered state schools. UCSF and UCLA basically charge as much as a private institution, ~250k. Western, USC, LLU, and UoP are all ridiculously expensive (over 300k).
-If we do decide to go out of state, we have to pay OOS tuition fees. So lets say for example... the texas schools. They accept only around 7 OOS residents so the competition is very high.

So what are our options?

1. NYU -expensive
2. Tufts -expensive
3. Temple -expensive
4. Boston University -expensive
5. Midwestern AZ
6. Creighton
7. Louisville
8. Pittsburgh
9. Western -expensive
10. Maryland
11. USC -expensive
12. Case Western -expensive
13. Buffalo
14. Virginia Commonwealth
15. Nova -expensive
16. Michigan
17. Marquette
18. Indiana
19. Detroit Mercy
20. Midwestern IL
21. UConn
22. Kentucky
23. UNLV -expensive
24. ASDOH-expensive
25. Loma Linda-expensive
26. Penn-expensive
27. University of Pacific-expensive
28. Columbia-expensive
29. Harvard -expensive
30. UCSF -expensive

What are the cheapest schools on that list? (these are the schools taken from the stickied thread that accept out of state residents. I marked "-expensive" next to the schools that I know are expensive, the rest I wasn't sure about. The bold ones are the schools that I don't know the estimated cost of attendance for.

There are disadvantages to being a Cali resident, but the big perk is that you LIVE IN CALI! quit your boohoo-ing sucka! 😎