doing fellowships DURING residency

[alabaster]

Is it permitted to do a fellowship during the last year of residency instead of the year after completing residency? Does it matter if it's a boarded or un-boarded fellowship? Does the answer vary from program to program? Do you think if you do a fellowship during the final year of residency that you miss out on having a more rounded general pathology education?

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[LADoc00]

Is it permitted to do a fellowship during the last year of residency instead of the year after completing residency? Does it matter if it's a boarded or un-boarded fellowship? Does the answer vary from program to program? Do you think if you do a fellowship during the final year of residency that you miss out on having a more rounded general pathology education?

I have known people to do a Neuropath fellowship with little to no residency experience, almost none. Crazy but it happens. You need to finish an AP residency before you sit for a subspec boards, but there is nothing to stop you from mixing the order in which you do them up.

 

[kittykat]

Is it permitted to do a fellowship during the last year of residency instead of the year after completing residency? Does it matter if it's a boarded or un-boarded fellowship? Does the answer vary from program to program? Do you think if you do a fellowship during the final year of residency that you miss out on having a more rounded general pathology education?

Try reading Section III. C on the ABP website: http://www.abpath.org/ReqForCert.htm#FP

 

[yaah]

If you do a boarded fellowship the final year of residency (and probably if you do an unboarded one as well) you still have to do the final year of residency, it's like interrupting your training for a year. Unless your program gives you 12 months of electives and you can use them all for an unboarded subspecialty. this would be tough to do without massive planning ahead of time though, and plus you will have to apply for it too.

 

[deschutes]

Unless your program gives you 12 months of electives and you can use them all for an unboarded subspecialty.

I think this most happens in the context of in-house fellowships. Surg path here is often done this way.

 

[alabaster]

Try reading Section III. C on the ABP website: http://www.abpath.org/ReqForCert.htm#FP

Ok, what about the non-boarded specialties? Can you spend the PGY-4 year of an AP/CP program doing just surg path or just GI and then say you have done a "fellowship"? Will employers distinguish you from someone who did the same thing as a PGY-5 after completing 4 years of AP/CP?

Are all those rules in abpath.org strictly enforced?

 

[ResDame]

It is unlikely that you'd be able to do a whole 4th year of say GI or whatever and say it was a fellowship.

Fellowship during residency depends on each program, some allow it others don't. Maybe it's a question that you should be asking if/when you get interviews. The program director will be able to tell you.

As someone said, you are interrupting your residency to do something different for a year, so you do have to plan five years.

 

[djmd]

It is unlikely that you'd be able to do a whole 4th year of say GI or whatever and say it was a fellowship.

I agree with ResDame. It depends on your program (how much elective time, how your time on Surgical path is spent, and what you are doing during your 4th year).

Maybe if you spend as much time as you can with your GI staff, (and they are a big name) you can bill yourself as GI interested...
But it wont be a fellowship...

 

[yaah]

Maybe if you spend as much time as you can with your GI staff, (and they are a big name) you can bill yourself as GI interested...
But it wont be a fellowship...

Sometimes that is good enough though - we had a resident here who did surg path + cyto, and got a private job doing mostly GI, because the person who hired him said that since he trained here (plus did a GI related project) he was probably better at GI than most trainees.

 

[djmd]

Sometimes that is good enough though - we had a resident here who did surg path + cyto, and got a private job doing mostly GI, because the person who hired him said that since he trained here (plus did a GI related project) he was probably better at GI than most trainees.

As long as you are a fairly good program with a fairly well known GI path doc(s), it can definately be enough for a job. Academics is unlikely, of course it would help you get a GI fellowship elsewhere...

 

[nonamemd#33]

Maybe if you spend as much time as you can with your GI staff, (and they are a big name) you can bill yourself as GI interested...

Personally, I like "GI curious"...