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[GoSaints365]

just kidding, go

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[CherryRedDracul]

lmao I was like lmao

 

[tiedyeddog]

I love it when a cool story turns into a really cool story

 

[Chip N Sawbones]

Jealous of the students who go to the horribly overpriced school on the other side of the highway?

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

What was the story here?


I found the original post, something about the software glitching so the professors are rescheduling exams. Which class is this happening to?

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

Jealous of the students who go to the horribly overpriced school on the other side of the highway?

Multiple choice anatomy practicals, or so rumor has it.

 

[Serous Demilune]

Multiple choice anatomy practicals, or so rumor has it.

Ugh NYMC has this, I was so jealous when I found out.

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

Ugh NYMC has this, I was so jealous when I found out.

Right? It would have cut down on the "creative" names that I wrote for some things on my exams.

 

[Chip N Sawbones]

Multiple choice anatomy practicals, or so rumor has it.

Sorry, but the rumor is wrong. The anatomy practical half of the test consisted of identifying tagged structures. This year the MS1s did so well on their first practical exam the professors and TAs went out of their way to make the next two really difficult. The written half of the anatomy tests were multiple choice, as were all the other tests during the preclinical years.

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

Sorry, but the rumor is wrong. The anatomy practical half of the test consisted of identifying tagged structures. This year the MS1s did so well on their first practical exam the professors and TAs went out of their way to make the next two really difficult. The written half of the anatomy tests were multiple choice, as were all the other tests during the preclinical years.

Ha, dumb med students making up rumors about other schools. Sounds about right and glad to hear it.

 

[Mad Jack]

What I wouldn't give for multiple choice, anatomy practicals, fake as they may be...

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

Seriously @LouisianaClimber , which class was this happening to? I border line think you're making this up.

 

[sazerac]

Whenever somebody posts a "med school XYZ sux" thread, I automatically assume the OP is secretly on the waiting list for med school XYZ.

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

Edit:

*Eh, a couple L2's thought people should be warned about this situation. I agreed at the time but honestly I just don't care enough about it to open myself up to more time wasting trolling and character assassination attempts.*

Buyers beware and do your homework on the faculty who'll be running your lives a while. There are some good apples and some bad apples, like most medical schools I'd imagine.

 

[Roxas]

This actually deserves a bump. I was recently notified by friends at this school that this woman is now more or less running the Anatomy course for incoming students. Great job LSUHSC, at being utterly shameful.

https://www.medschool.lsuhsc.edu/cell_biology/faculty_detail.aspx?name=Campeau_Lisa

http://df7s0hkt8o8r9.cloudfront.net/media/english/pdf/sanctions/HGPYE95875F284261690906182012.pdf

http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Lisa_Campeau/reviews

"Mar 3rd, 2013
This doctor is NOT a doctor ... she is a butcher. She did a surgery on me 7 years ago that came undone in less than a year - unknowingly I went back to her - she assured me that this was a common thing to happen (I later found out it rarely, if ever happens)... she redone the surgery and at that time she severed both of my vagus nerves... I've had 15 abdominal surgeries since then... gone into septic shock twice - almost dying... had 7 major surgeries that were not even needed... was on feeding tubes for one year... had home health nurses for 9 months... ALL because she was "intoxicated" during the time she was performing surgeries on me.. I also found out there were 15 other patients who surgeries she had botched terribly.... with my surgery she had NO consequences... I am in medical financial debt and will be until I die... I was once a healthy 38 year old woman and now I'm a 45 year old woman who has struggled daily just to live.. I now have a pain pump implanted to help with the constant abdominal pain... I went from 145 lbs down to 92.... I never even got a 'I'm sorry" from her... She never called to check on me... and the worst part was that after the second surgery she kept telling me that I was not allowing myself time to heal and put me off for 4 months til I almost died from dehydration and malnutrition... I went to specialist in New Orleans who told me what she had done... SO SAD.. PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS woman touch you... Please.."

😱

 

[JP2740]

This actually deserves a bump. I was recently notified by friends at this school that this woman is now more or less running the Anatomy course for incoming students. Great job LSUHSC, at being utterly shameful.

https://www.medschool.lsuhsc.edu/cell_biology/faculty_detail.aspx?name=Campeau_Lisa

http://df7s0hkt8o8r9.cloudfront.net/media/english/pdf/sanctions/HGPYE95875F284261690906182012.pdf

Arrest record
"11-09-12 Lisa Campeau 46, 319 Winchester Circle Mandeville, Disturbing the Peace by Public Intoxication"
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/11/mandeville_police_arrest_repor_7.html



http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Lisa_Campeau/reviews

"Mar 3rd, 2013
This doctor is NOT a doctor ... she is a butcher. She did a surgery on me 7 years ago that came undone in less than a year - unknowingly I went back to her - she assured me that this was a common thing to happen (I later found out it rarely, if ever happens)... she redone the surgery and at that time she severed both of my vagus nerves... I've had 15 abdominal surgeries since then... gone into septic shock twice - almost dying... had 7 major surgeries that were not even needed... was on feeding tubes for one year... had home health nurses for 9 months... ALL because she was "intoxicated" during the time she was performing surgeries on me.. I also found out there were 15 other patients who surgeries she had botched terribly.... with my surgery she had NO consequences... I am in medical financial debt and will be until I die... I was once a healthy 38 year old woman and now I'm a 45 year old woman who has struggled daily just to live.. I now have a pain pump implanted to help with the constant abdominal pain... I went from 145 lbs down to 92.... I never even got a 'I'm sorry" from her... She never called to check on me... and the worst part was that after the second surgery she kept telling me that I was not allowing myself time to heal and put me off for 4 months til I almost died from dehydration and malnutrition... I went to specialist in New Orleans who told me what she had done... SO SAD.. PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS woman touch you... Please.."

How do we know this is true or the circumstances surrounding the surgery? I mean this may be true and she could possibly be ****ty but idk if I'm going to jump on that because of basically a blogger.

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

*Kids are not tiny horses.

 

[operaman]

While I have no connection to this school and don't know the physician in question, I would argue that perhaps she has learned the hard way what unprofessional behavior and substance use can do to your career. Maybe this, rather than abject hypocrisy, is why she is so passionate about it? Her own history aside, the fact remains that professionalism is a key measure for students, residents, and practicing physicians. We may take issue with how the word is interpreted in some cases, but it is surely the fastest and easiest way to end your career at any level. I haven't seen actual data published, but my gut sense is that more students and residents are expelled/fired for professionalism reasons than academic reasons.

The professor's story should also serve as a powerful reminder that substance use is a big problem in our profession. The numbers suggest that every medical school in this country has a few faculty members who are in a physician monitoring program at any given time, and probably a few others who should be. No matter their other flaws, let's think twice before attacking someone who may be struggling mightily with a disease that afflicts thousands of physicians.

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

The knock is more so on the school for putting her in a position of leadership and authority over students. But I do understand your points.

*personal criticism of Campeau's character redacted bc it's not that useful to the purpose of this thread.*

 

[CholoBolo]

The knock is more so on the school for putting her in a position of leadership and authority over students.

Your speculations are purely that. She's vindictive, condescending, insecure, and a hypocrite based on my experiences with her. The alcohol problem and perhaps repentance addresses only one of those directly.

Hey buddy I think it's about time you stopped talking so much trash about her or the school. You say you "withdrew" but it honestly sounds like you failed and didn't want to repeat or you got busted for being unprofessional. You got this butt hurt over someone telling you to be professional? In med school? Is this real life?

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

Hey buddy I think it's about time you stopped talking so much trash about her or the school. You say you "withdrew" but it honestly sounds like you failed and didn't want to repeat or you got busted for being unprofessional. You got this butt hurt over someone telling you to be professional? In med school? Is this real life?

Haha, no. And shooting blanks at the messenger doesn't make this information go away.

I think it's time I get the word out about this school, which I've done.

Unless you've actually had a real career in your life, you don't have a clue what professionalism is. It's just a buzzword you that learned about in med school and from PhDs in academia which is as far from real world professionalism as it gets.

 

[Burneraccount1]

I trained here. My experience was honestly neither great nor poor. 1st two years too focused on minutiae. Experience with campeau was pretty neutral, but limited. Heard a couple statements from classmates in line with described professionalism nazi and insecurity statements though. Regardless, I was under the impression another professor would be taking over as anatomy chair. There are a lot of great faculty, particularly at the clinical level. Administrative headaches and some non-student centered stuff like refusal to use lecture capture were a couple of the negatives. Felt like I got good training overall.

Tl;dr - if my kid wanted to go here, I'd encourage applying to other schools as well to see what they had to offer, but I'd be fine with them going to lsu

 

[PL198]

I trained here. My experience was honestly neither great nor poor. 1st two years too focused on minutiae. Experience with campeau was pretty neutral, but limited. Heard a couple statements from classmates in line with described professionalism nazi and insecurity statements though. Regardless, I was under the impression another professor would be taking over as anatomy chair. There are a lot of great faculty, particularly at the clinical level. Administrative headaches and some non-student centered stuff like refusal to use lecture capture were a couple of the negatives. Felt like I got good training overall.

Tl;dr - if my kid wanted to go here, I'd encourage applying to other schools as well to see what they had to offer, but I'd be fine with them going to lsu

wtf?

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

wtf?

They school sells themselves to incoming students as having "recorded lectures" but what happens in reality is that unless the auditorium is close to full for every anatomy lecture the professors start playing this little game where they say, "Nope, too many students skipping today, I'm turning off the media site recording". Then they'll usually follow up with "You are responsible for your fellow students and getting them to class". Dr. Campeau's favorite phrase was "You have to be here to learn. In the professional world you can't skip work". The first statement, of course, being patently false and the second being completely irrelevant.


The way they "measure" how many students are in attendance that day is purely based on emotion. We have clickers that would actually give them an accurate count but they choose not to use them for that purpose. They look around the room and go by feel.

 

[Roxas]

They school sells themselves to incoming students as having "recorded lectures" but what happens in reality is that unless the auditorium is close to full for every anatomy lecture the professors start playing this little game where they say, "Nope, to many students skipping today, I'm turning off the media site recording". Then they'll usually follow up with "You are responsible for your fellow students and getting them to class". Dr. Campeau's favorite phrase was "You have to be here to learn. In the professional world you can't skip work". The first statement, of course, being patently false and the second being completely irrelevant.


The way they "measure" how many students are in attendance that day is purely based on emotion. We have clickers that would actually give them an accurate count but they choose not to use them for that purpose. They look around the room and go by feel.

That's freaking ridiculous

 

[PL198]

They school sells themselves to incoming students as having "recorded lectures" but what happens in reality is that unless the auditorium is close to full for every anatomy lecture the professors start playing this little game where they say, "Nope, to many students skipping today, I'm turning off the media site recording". Then they'll usually follow up with "You are responsible for your fellow students and getting them to class". Dr. Campeau's favorite phrase was "You have to be here to learn. In the professional world you can't skip work". The first statement, of course, being patently false and the second being completely irrelevant.


The way they "measure" how many students are in attendance that day is purely based on emotion. We have clickers that would actually give them an accurate count but they choose not to use them for that purpose. They look around the room and go by feel.

so are you responsible for a fellow physician if they get a DUI? kinda a moot point though I guess because it doesn't really affect you if you go to lecture.

sounds so archaic, do they think stethoscopes are too cutting edge? YOU MUST ALL USE CYLINDERS

sounds like the old professors that can't comprehend how hearing a PhD read a powerpoint slide doesn't actually make you retain any extra information and actually just wastes time hence how medical students all over the country are fleeing from lecture

 

[CholoBolo]

Haha, no. And shooting blanks at the messenger doesn't make this information go away.

I think it's time I get the word out about this school, which I've done.

Unless you've actually had a real career in your life, you don't have a clue what professionalism is. It's just a buzzword you that learned about in med school and from PhDs in academia which is as far from real world professionalism as it gets.

You complain about everything like an immature spoiled brat, brag about how much money you make, dropped/kicked out of med school and you're lecturing us on professionalism? I think all of us on here who apparently don't have a clue about professionalism will end up with a better career than you buddy.

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

You complain about everything like an immature spoiled brat, brag about how much money you make, dropped/kicked out of med school and you're lecturing us on professionalism? I think all of us on here who apparently don't have a clue about professionalism will end up with a better career than you buddy.

LOL. Do you go to school here or something?

If you like the school that's fine. This is more for the people considering this school over Shreveport. They should be able to make an informed purchase/decision.

Why exactly do you care enough about this to mount all these silly baseless personal attacks against me? Seems odd. Is that you Campeau? Mussell? Or just your average cool-aid drinker?

Is there something factually wrong with what I've stated? If so, please correct for the record. If not and all you have is ad hominems then you aren't contributing anything positive and should probably take a break before you get banned again.

 

[CholoBolo]

LOL. Do you go to school here or something?

If you like the school that's fine. This is more for the people considering this school over Shreveport. They should be able to make an informed purchase/decision.

Why exactly do you care enough about this to mount all these silly baseless personal attacks against me? Seems odd. Is that you Campeau? Mussell? Or just your average cool-aid drinker?

Is there something factually wrong with what I've stated? If so, please correct for the record. If not and all you have is ad hominems then you aren't contributing anything positive and should probably take a break before you get banned again.

It's not just the facts you got wrong, more so the way you're using trivial complaints to destroy her and her school's reputation. A professor told you to show up to class? So what? Read a power point if you're too lazy to go. She told you to be professional? Which professor doesn't? She made a mistake early in life and is making up for it through academics? Why does that bother you so much to call her "vindictive, condescending, insecure, and a hypocrite"? Besides being kicked out for acting exactly like you are now.

You're the classic narcissist. The world doesn't revolve around you. Not everyone lives to please you. You'll never be a part of medicine so why are you still on here?

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

It's not just the facts you got wrong, more so the way you're using trivial complaints to destroy her and her school's reputation. A professor told you to show up to class? So what? Read a power point if you're too lazy to go. She told you to be professional? Which professor doesn't? She made a mistake early in life and is making up for it through academics? Why does that bother you so much to call her "vindictive, condescending, insecure, and a hypocrite"? Besides being kicked out for acting exactly like you are now.

You're the classic narcissist. The world doesn't revolve around you. Not everyone lives to please you. You'll never be a part of medicine so why are you still on here?

Lol. More of the same, you've got one setting. "Make up stuff and attack!"

Which facts are wrong?

If you disagree with my opinions, that's called having a difference of opinion. And in this country we get to enjoy having those. If that's too hard for you to handle maybe the internet isn't the place for you.

 

[CholoBolo]

So which facts are wrong again?

All I'm reading are emotionally charged personal attacks on my character. The classic trying to discredit the messenger. Unfortunately your attacks lack substance as you don't know me and you have zero facts on your side to back up anything you're saying about me. It was kind of funny but now it's getting a little sad. You're just making up stuff about me and attacking my character for no apparent reason, your sad little imagination is running wild.

You seem oddly upset about me criticising this school. Why you mad?

I like how you avoided every single one of my points to say "why you mad". I'm not mad, just annoyed by people like you with the "I screwed up so I have to ruin other people too" mentality. But the real question is, you're out of medicine for good reasons, why are YOU mad? Remember you went to school with 200 other people. You really think everyone was oblivious to your character and the fact that you're no longer there?

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

I like how you avoided every single one of my points to say "why you mad". I'm not mad, just annoyed by people like you with the "I screwed up so I have to ruin other people too" mentality. But the real question is, you're out of medicine for good reasons, why are YOU mad? Remember you went to school with 200 other people. You really think everyone was oblivious to your character and the fact that you're no longer there?

Hahaha. You're really taking your imagination and running with it. I was not kicked out, I did not fail out, I was not asked to leave.

I withdrew under good academic standing and was invited to return at any time.
Enjoy the inconvenient truth.

Your "points" are just attacks based on your silly imagination. They aren't points.

Either way, I can see when I'm going to be out trolled. Ignore list it is.

 

[CholoBolo]

Hahaha. You're really taking your imagination and running with it. I was not kicked out, I didn't not fail out, I was not asked to leave.

I withdrew under good academic standing and was invited to return at any time.
Enjoy the inconvenient truth.

Your "points" are just attacks based on your silly imagination. They aren't points.

Either way, I can see when I'm going to be out trolled. Ignore list it is.

Haha you're that delusional to think any school will want you after all the false slander you've done? Jesus man please go see a psychologist.

 

[Roxas]

It's not just the facts you got wrong, more so the way you're using trivial complaints to destroy her and her school's reputation. A professor told you to show up to class? So what? Read a power point if you're too lazy to go. She told you to be professional? Which professor doesn't? She made a mistake early in life and is making up for it through academics? Why does that bother you so much to call her "vindictive, condescending, insecure, and a hypocrite"? Besides being kicked out for acting exactly like you are now.

You're the classic narcissist. The world doesn't revolve around you. Not everyone lives to please you. You'll never be a part of medicine so why are you still on here?

Trivial complaints? They sound like valid criticisms to me. I would be livid if they duped us into attending lecture like that despite recorded lectures being advertised

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

Trololol...count down before your re-spawned account gets banned.

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

Trivial complains? They sound like valid criticisms to me. I would be livid if they duped us into attending lecture like that despite recorded lectures being advertised

I appreciate the reintroduction of some sanity in here.

 

[Roxas]

Trololol...count down before your re-spawned account gets banned.

The true game is identifying which regular user's account is now on probation for creating said re-spawned account, as multiple accounts is a TOS violation

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

The true game is identifying which regular user's account is now on probation for creating said re-spawned account, as multiple accounts is a TOS violation

He said in another thread that he was banned years ago for trolling but just came back in time for the Step. Pretty sure that's a no no. And I can see why he got banned. He trolls hard, I fell for it.

 

[Burneraccount1]

Trivial complains? They sound like valid criticisms to me. I would be livid if they duped us into attending lecture like that despite recorded lectures being advertised

There's also a student run note taking service that I assume is still in place. Essentially, prior to media capture, professors would allow audio recording of their lectures and those lectures would then be transcribed. As a student you could either opt into helping transcribe and get the transcriptions for free, you could pay for the service, or you could just do without. So it was still possible to forego lecture (except in classes with required attendance - not sure which if any still have truly required attendance but it was fairly limited)

 

[CholoBolo]

He said in another thread that he was banned years ago for trolling but just came back in time for the Step. Pretty sure that's a no no. And I can see why he got banned. He trolls hard, I fell for it.

You think I care about getting banned or have time to troll? I had like 3 posts before you showed up. I honestly kind of feel sorry for you buddy. Enjoy your vastly superior non-medicine career with your supreme professionalism.

Edit: I like how you change your posts after I quoted them, you realize it's still in the quotes right?

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

It's true, there is a note taking service. But as you can imagine the quality of the note set can be somewhat lacking and almost no one I knew relied on them solely as they were notorious for having mistakes. They were more of a supplement and summary, not a transcription. Without the recordings you couldn't be sure what was right and what was wrong. You had to have both, or just the media site recording, to be sure you were learning it they way they wanted you to learn it.

Either way, I went up and edited the sounding the alarm post. I don't really care enough anymore to open myself up to more of the same of this stuff. Peace.

 

[CholoBolo]

It's true, there is a note taking service. But as you can imagine the quality of the note set can be somewhat lacking and almost no one I knew relied on them solely as they were notorious for having mistakes. They were more of a supplement and summary, not a transcription. Without the recordings you couldn't be sure what was right and what was wrong. You had to have both to be sure you were learning it they way they wanted you to learn it.

Totally false, notes have been revised for 5+ years now and it's most people's primary study source. Not good enough for you I see, but I'm not surprised.

 

[Burneraccount1]

It's true, there is a note taking service. But as you can imagine the quality of the note set can be somewhat lacking and almost no one I knew relied on them solely as they were notorious for having mistakes. They were more of a supplement and summary, not a transcription. Without the recordings you couldn't be sure what was right and what was wrong. You had to have both, or just the media site recording, to be sure you were learning it they way they wanted you to learn it.

Either way, I went up and edited the sounding the alarm post. I don't really care enough anymore to open myself up to more of the same of this stuff. Peace.

Totally false, notes have been revised for 5+ years now and it's most people's primary study source. Not good enough for you I see, but I'm not surprised.

I'll kind of cut the middle here, but definitely more on cholo's side for this one. I think the note set situation was / is far from the best way to do it (vs media capture), and there were occasional errata, but in general the quality was maintained by the head reviewer and was the vast majority of students primary resource (including mine)

 

[charmiedermie]

Unless you've actually had a real career in your life, you don't have a clue what professionalism is. It's just a buzzword you that learned about in med school and from PhDs in academia which is as far from real world professionalism as it gets.

If you want a really good laugh, AOA came out with a monograph on medical student professionalism best practices. At least I got a really good laugh and eye rolling from it: www.alphaomegaalpha.org/medprof2015

 

[charmiedermie]

While I have no connection to this school and don't know the physician in question, I would argue that perhaps she has learned the hard way what unprofessional behavior and substance use can do to your career. Maybe this, rather than abject hypocrisy, is why she is so passionate about it? Her own history aside, the fact remains that professionalism is a key measure for students, residents, and practicing physicians. We may take issue with how the word is interpreted in some cases, but it is surely the fastest and easiest way to end your career at any level. I haven't seen actual data published, but my gut sense is that more students and residents are expelled/fired for professionalism reasons than academic reasons.

The professor's story should also serve as a powerful reminder that substance use is a big problem in our profession. The numbers suggest that every medical school in this country has a few faculty members who are in a physician monitoring program at any given time, and probably a few others who should be. No matter their other flaws, let's think twice before attacking someone who may be struggling mightily with a disease that afflicts thousands of physicians.

I like you, but I can't help but feel you take the opposite position of everyone else, on everything, on purpose. To have grave professionalism issues yourself, and then try to get students in the professionalism trap, is utter hypocrisy. You're covering for her. You give this faculty member the complete benefit of the doubt, while you don't do the same for the Case student. I guarantee Dr. Campeau's citation is just the one she got caught on.

If a DUI is bad enough to throw someone out of med school, its bad enough to throw someone out from teaching med students.

 

[operaman]

I like you, but I can't help but feel you take the opposite position of everyone else, on everything, on purpose. To have grave professionalism issues yourself, and then try to get students in the professionalism trap, is utter hypocrisy. You're covering for her. You give this faculty member the complete benefit of the doubt, while you don't do the same for the Case student. I guarantee Dr. Campeau's citation is just the one she got caught on.

If a DUI is bad enough to throw someone out of med school, its bad enough to throw someone out from teaching med students.

I think there is something to be said for a contrarian view. Things would get terribly boring if we all just agreed with one another. The rest of your post is fairly unintelligible so I'm not sure how best to respond.

In this case, we have a physician who is publicly participating in a monitoring program for an issue that afflicts thousands of us. Presumably, she continues to adhere to whatever conditions are placed upon her and adequately reports violations as required by her board. While I do understand how this could make her passion for professionalism seem hypocritical, her own struggles do not absolve her students of their responsibilities. If the dictates came a professor with an untarnished record, people would still take issue with them. If the professional demands of a given school are unreasonable, then we should discuss them directly. Attacking a faculty member on an anonymous forum for an issue that thousands of physicians face and which she is openly dealing with under the purview of her state medical board simply skirts the important issues, not to mention ignores the dumb fact that she's already paid a terrible price professionally for her past deeds.

The Case student was much more than a DUI (which he didn't report). His pattern of behavior over many years was so egregious that he became the first Case student in at least half a century to be dismissed immediately prior to graduation. That was already discussed ad nauseum in another thread. As for my own issues, I think you may be misremembering a thread wherein I relayed a story about a misunderstanding where I was reported for a professionalism issue that didn't actually occur and was immediately corrected by faculty before it even got back to me. Had it been real, yes, it would have been a serious issue, but it didn't, so it's about as relevant as that time I went streaking through the ICU or flew to the hospital on a dragon that I "parked" on the helipad.

 

[charmiedermie]

I think there is something to be said for a contrarian view. Things would get terribly boring if we all just agreed with one another. The rest of your post is fairly unintelligible so I'm not sure how best to respond.

In this case, we have a physician who is publicly participating in a monitoring program for an issue that afflicts thousands of us. Presumably, she continues to adhere to whatever conditions are placed upon her and adequately reports violations as required by her board. While I do understand how this could make her passion for professionalism seem hypocritical, her own struggles do not absolve her students of their responsibilities. If the dictates came a professor with an untarnished record, people would still take issue with them. If the professional demands of a given school are unreasonable, then we should discuss them directly. Attacking a faculty member on an anonymous forum for an issue that thousands of physicians face and which she is openly dealing with under the purview of her state medical board simply skirts the important issues, not to mention ignores the dumb fact that she's already paid a terrible price professionally for her past deeds.

The Case student was much more than a DUI (which he didn't report). His pattern of behavior over many years was so egregious that he became the first Case student in at least half a century to be dismissed immediately prior to graduation. That was already discussed ad nauseum in another thread. As for my own issues, I think you may be misremembering a thread wherein I relayed a story about a misunderstanding where I was reported for a professionalism issue that didn't actually occur and was immediately corrected by faculty before it even got back to me. Had it been real, yes, it would have been a serious issue, but it didn't, so it's about as relevant as that time I went streaking through the ICU or flew to the hospital on a dragon that I "parked" on the helipad.

Except your contrarian view is like on everything. Most people won't have the opposite position on nearly every single issue. Whatever, no big deal. Great jab attempt at me, but what I said was very clear. I'll explain.

First, she's not participating in a physician monitoring program by choice. It is mandatory. I don't care about her passion for professionalism. The point is she tries to trap other students by nabbing them on it, and so yes, the hypocrisy matters, if faculty are supposed to serve as models for professionalism. All the literature on the topic says professionalism is a learned skill - so it either is or they are lying. She is not a role model for professionalism for med students, as her lapse is egregious. I can guarantee this is not her first professionalism lapse either, since it was so bad it reached a medical board. Not even close.

I didn't mention your professionalism issue at all. I don't know why you thought I was bringing it up. But since you just did, realize at most medical schools with large class sizes, they don't get the benefit, like you did, of getting it thrown out with no meeting, no trial, regardless of prior history. If you get a professionalism concern form, you go through the full procedure of meeting with the associate deans, Promotions committee, and so on. That's fine if you wish to dismiss it as a misunderstanding because you were saved early on in the process, but most don't get that luxury and have to take extra time to prove their innocence.