Don't take it for granted

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You sound like you've really changed your attitude since leaving your state school.
 
Glass half full...now you have a sugar mamma to take care of you. Sounds pretty good to me
 
The admin at your old school hated you so much they persuaded you to leave? What exactly were you planning on doing when you made that decision?
 
Your classmates must like you a lot. You sound like fun.
 
sinombre said:
The admin at your old school hated you so much they persuaded you to leave? What exactly were you planning on doing when you made that decision?
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Good question. I have a long history of making poor decisions and learning the hard way( I do eventually learn though, and the process always does build character if not financial well being )I should have a plan before I act in the future though , huh?

P.s. I love the "Bubbles" pic . That's a good freakin guy
 
Winged Scapula said:
Are there any women out there who like it when referred to as, "my lady"?



No? I didn't think so.
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Sounds like you could use some more experience with the ladies. The many I have been with over the years love whatever I call them.
 
Yes I have . I almost wish that I would have had a more difficult time getting into medical school in the first place so that I would've given it it's appropriate appreciation
 
What is it exactly that you do not want us to take for granted...?
 
dismorfik said:
What is it exactly that you do not want us to take for granted...?
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Acceptance to a U.S. allopathic Medical school. I heard that they make it " almost impossible to fail once you're in" but that wasn't my experience. I worked really hard to get into med school but didn't appreciate that the work was just beginning. My suggestion is to not do that.
 
So you hated your school so bad that you made such a ruckus that they 'kicked' you out?
 
Apollo8 said:
I applied to medical school as a rock-star. I was so motivated because I had only things to be proud of and nothing to be ashamed of. I had a 36 MCAT. I was soon to graduate with distinction from a top U.S. University, and you couldn't have added anything to my resume to make it more perfect. At that same top U.S. University, I had met my sweetheart...Right from the start, I hated the program and loathed the location and inhabitants of the region. I felt that I deserve better and all I did was wine instead of study. I should have just been appreciative to be in a U.S. medical school program but I was not mature enough at the time to realize this. My lady however, just put her nose down to the grind and did her job. due to my attitude, I clashed all-along with the administration and they finally got rid of me in my third year of the curriculum (swindled into voluntary withdrawal in a moment of weakness ).
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Apollo8 said:
I have hit some roadblocks in my medical education and I am seeking advice in how to proceed. Here is the story. My fiancée and I met during undergrad at a university in my home state. She was a resident of a neighboring state. We both wanted to go to medical school and were hoping to go together. I graduated with honors in neuroscience and got a 32 on my MCAT.
I made it through year 1 of med school without having to remediate any coursework but second year was a different story. I did eventually make it through year 2 but I failed step1 on my first attempt. On my second attempt I passed with a 210. I began third year rotations with family medicine (it was ok) and scored well above 10th national percentile on the shelf exam(10th percentile is the cutoff set by the school for successful completion of the clerkship). My second rotation was ob/gyn (hated it). I completed the entire clerkship but scored under 10th percentile on the shelf. At this point the school made it clear to me that I was on thin ice and that any further academic shortcomings would result in dismissal. I then completed the entire surgery rotation (absolutely loved it) but scored 9th percentile on the shelf. The associate dean gave me the option to voluntarily withdraw before the academic committee officially dismissed me and that is what I did. It has been about a month now since my withdrawal.
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sounds like you haven't changed at all

you're still whining about classmates, thinking you are better than everyone around you, upset over the past, and crying about being beta in the relationship.

EDIT: wow, on top of all that you are SDN'ing your stats too? Jay K caught you redhanded.
 
You know, while the OP may not being truthful about what happened or may be trolling the forum (for whatever reason, I don't know), I think you guys are being harsh. Let's say he was dismissed and now his medical career is over -- whether it was because he was forced out for acting out or due to academic reasons. Then, yes, we can sit here and lecture him about how he should have studied more or been a nicer person, but that doesn't help him. That's a huge personal hit and he may just be in a lot of pain. It's like if someone gets divorced and you say "well, you should have been a better husband/wife." I doubt they're going to be very receptive to that and it really doesn't help anyone, even if it may be true.

I don't really blame him for writing what he did about his peers at the Caribbean school. I've met people from Caribbean schools and a good number of them feel that way. Some of them are ashamed of it because they are at places that are sort of shadowy and viewed as "diploma mills," many of them realize that they are looked down upon as "not good enough." Again, you can say -- and be completely right -- that it was their own fault, since they could have been better students. Now, granted, some people don't then look down on the people around them and instead adopt a good attitude about it, and some Caribbean grads do quite well, but, hey, some people are just better at being positive than others in bad circumstances. I'll be honest and say that if I was put in his position, I'd probably be more than a little upset and bitter, too.

The point is, we're not always "good people." And SDN shouldn't be a place where people only write "acceptable" things. Was his post ugly? Sure. Did it rub you guys the wrong way? Yeah. But was it being honest? Yep. We don't all sit around and think flowery things like "even though I'm at a Caribbean school, I know there are fantastic people here and I'm glad to be here." Sometimes it's "f**k, what happened with my life?" I've heard stories of foreign physicians trying to come to America, not making it, and being forced to do some menial job. If someone like that was bitter or angry, I would totally understand it. Even if they were spewing some really hateful stuff, I'd still understand it. We're not always pretty inside -- I'm certainly not, and I bet not everyone else here is, either.

I guess maybe I'm more understanding because, as I've been writing about on here, I'm single and it's a source of great anxiety and, honestly, sadness in my life. What does that have to do with anything? Well, even though that's a "personal life" failure rather than a "professional life" one, it still makes me understand what he's going through. He's apparently got a significant other and they care about each other, but the pain of his professional failing makes that insignificant for him. For me, it's the opposite. I'm not in a great job -- OK, I hate it, being in a rural place -- but obviously I recognize that I've succeeded professionally, yet to me I've told friends and family (and I'm being honest) that in many ways I envy some random guy who has zero IQ and is in a dead-end job because at least he has a spouse. It makes no sense because that guy may hate his wife, or vice versa, but these kinds of things don't have to be rational.
 
ruralsurg4now said:
I guess maybe I'm more understanding because, as I've been writing about on here, I'm single and it's a source of great anxiety and, honestly, sadness in my life. What does that have to do with anything? Well, even though that's a "personal life" failure rather than a "professional life" one, it still makes me understand what he's going through. He's apparently got a significant other and they care about each other, but the pain of his professional failing makes that insignificant for him. For me, it's the opposite. I'm not in a great job -- OK, I hate it, being in a rural place -- but obviously I recognize that I've succeeded professionally, yet to me I've told friends and family (and I'm being honest) that in many ways I envy some random guy who has zero IQ and is in a dead-end job because at least he has a spouse. It makes no sense because that guy may hate his wife, or vice versa, but these kinds of things don't have to be rational.
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You are so right about things not having to be rational. Honestly, I am grateful for your sacrifices to become a general surgeon. I wish the best for you in your pursuit of happiness in life.
 
Apollo8 said:
Unless you are a lady. Then that makes me dumb,
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Yes it does.

In all fairness, since you have not been very active on SDN, I suppose my ego can accept that you don't know who I am, my gender or sexual preference. The new forum display also doesn't appear to show these details or pictures as it once did.

"My lady" makes me think you have been emulating Ron Burgundy a bit much.
 
Winged Scapula said:
Yes it does.

In all fairness, since you have not been very active on SDN, I suppose my ego can accept that you don't know who I am, my gender or sexual preference. The new forum display also doesn't appear to show these details or pictures as it once did.

"My lady" makes me think you have been emulating Ron Burgundy a bit much.
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The old forum display used to show your sexual preference??
 
Apollo8 said:
Would be nice having some chance of maintaining the masculine role in the relationship too
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You should be worrying about the fact that you have a **** ton of debt, not the fact that you can't maintain the "male role" in the relationship. Your wife (to-be) is a doctor for goodness' sake, let her be the breadwinner in this day and age.
 
Apollo8 said:
I recently did an away rotation at my fiancées radiology program, during which time I was under the direction of osteopathic graduates, Who were not only DO's but should have been behind me in training had my original plans gone more smoothly.If my balls tuck any more tightly up into my body they will be coming up through my throat into my mouth. Keep on truckin
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Seems to me that you've never learned your lesson. You still think you are above everybody else. Pathetic.
 
Ibn Alnafis MD said:
Seems to me that you've never learned your lesson. You still think you are above everybody else. Pathetic.
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Again, I hate to break it to everyone, and I know this violates the "touchy-feely" part of SDN, but a lot of MDs actually do think the way he does about DOs. Similarly, people at Harvard Med and Stanford do look down on people in lower-tier medical schools, no matter what anyone says. And lots of subspecialist physicians look down on primary care physicians. That's just life. The fact that you guys dislike him writing it doesn't change it.
 
ruralsurg4now said:
Again, I hate to break it to everyone, and I know this violates the "touchy-feely" part of SDN, but a lot of MDs actually do think the way he does about DOs. Similarly, people at Harvard Med and Stanford do look down on people in lower-tier medical schools, no matter what anyone says. And lots of subspecialist physicians look down on primary care physicians. That's just life. The fact that you guys dislike him writing it doesn't change it.
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Doesn't seem to bother the DOs working at Harvard. Also, the post you're replying to isn't about whether or not people look down on DOs. It's about the OP, who's snobbery got him in trouble once already. It's disingenuous, to say the least, to sing your swan song, implying you've changed, when you haven't.
 
Apollo8 said:
I applied to medical school as a rock-star.

I had a 36 MCAT.

Her stats were far less impressive than mine but nevertheless

I felt that I deserve better and all I did was wine instead of study.

due to my attitude, I clashed all-along with the administration and they finally got rid of me

surrounded by students who are so less adequate than me to practice medicine at this goofy school to get some degree that's not worth the paper it's printed on.

my fly-by-night current medical school is not even recognized as worthy to practice or train as a physician.

under the direction of osteopathic graduates, Who were not only DO's but should have been behind me in training
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Truly, I'm shocked to hear you clashed with administration. All those less than adequate students are probably obtaining their dream and practicing medicine haha.

I hope things work out for you but your general outlook on life is far from professional, mature, or insightful.
 
Elisabeth Kate said:
It's disingenuous, to say the least, to sing your swan song, implying you've changed, when you haven't.
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I don't think he's changed, but I don't think that his thoughts that he wrote were out of line. In other words, if I was in his shoes and found myself in that position, I could easily see myself feeling bitter and looking down at the other Caribbean students, even if I was one. It may not make sense, since you would just say "well, you're here, too" but it happens. Especially if before he had graduated from a top university and gotten into a good US allopathic program. That's just human nature. You can't wish that away is all I'm saying.
 
ruralsurg4now said:
I don't think he's changed, but I don't think that his thoughts that he wrote were out of line. In other words, if I was in his shoes and found myself in that position, I could easily see myself feeling bitter and looking down at the other Caribbean students, even if I was one. It may not make sense, since you would just say "well, you're here, too" but it happens. Especially if before he had graduated from a top university and gotten into a good US allopathic program. That's just human nature. You can't wish that away is all I'm saying.
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I think you're missing my point. It may be human nature, but the OP is trying to tell us why he failed out of school, then continues with the same behavior he blames for his troubles. The OP's downfall seems to be arrogance, or so he says. So now he's here trying to give the rest of the world advice, yet that very arrogance that led to his failure is still prominent. There's something to be said for humility, especially under these circumstances. So yes, given what we know, his thoughts WERE out of line, but he doesn't have the insight or the self-awareness to realize it.
 
ruralsurg4now said:
I guess maybe I'm more understanding because, as I've been writing about on here, I'm single and it's a source of great anxiety and, honestly, sadness in my life. What does that have to do with anything? Well, even though that's a "personal life" failure rather than a "professional life" one, it still makes me understand what he's going through. He's apparently got a significant other and they care about each other, but the pain of his professional failing makes that insignificant for him. For me, it's the opposite. I'm not in a great job -- OK, I hate it, being in a rural place -- but obviously I recognize that I've succeeded professionally, yet to me I've told friends and family (and I'm being honest) that in many ways I envy some random guy who has zero IQ and is in a dead-end job because at least he has a spouse. It makes no sense because that guy may hate his wife, or vice versa, but these kinds of things don't have to be rational.
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Out of curiosity, are you just too entrenched in your practice to move or are you locked into a contract? Or are you a resident in a rural place? I'd like to know if/how people get locked into undesirable areas.
 
Elisabeth Kate said:
There's something to be said for humility, especially under these circumstances. So yes, given what we know, his thoughts WERE out of line, but he doesn't have the insight or the self-awareness to realize it.
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But that's the thing. Maybe I'm not communicating this well, so let me try again. It seems to me that a lot of people on here are actually gleeful that he has befallen hardship. Read some of the posts here and tell me otherwise. Now, is THAT humble? No. That's just as bad, isn't it? Almost always, when I meet someone who is demanding and preaching humility, they are the LEAST humble people. At least this guy is being honest about his arrogance.
 
Wordead said:
Out of curiosity, are you just too entrenched in your practice to move or are you locked into a contract? Or are you a resident in a rural place? I'd like to know if/how people get locked into undesirable areas.
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There are no jobs in the city I want to work in. So I'm waiting for an opening. In the meantime, the rural place pays a ridiculous salary and the work isn't difficult. So I'm just unhappy because I'm single, really. If I was out here with a wife, I'd be fine.
 
ruralsurg4now said:
I don't think he's changed, but I don't think that his thoughts that he wrote were out of line. In other words, if I was in his shoes and found myself in that position, I could easily see myself feeling bitter and looking down at the other Caribbean students, even if I was one. It may not make sense, since you would just say "well, you're here, too" but it happens. Especially if before he had graduated from a top university and gotten into a good US allopathic program. That's just human nature. You can't wish that away is all I'm saying.
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That's fine to feel that way and internalize it for awhile before you emotionally calm now and get your situation straightened out. I've been there in athletics and felt shorted at the program I ended up at - I can empathize.

However, the OP feeling like he's superior to everyone is the number one cause of his issues. If he continues this way, similar scenarios are going to develop.
 
DrEnderW said:
That's fine to feel that way and internalize it for awhile before you emotionally calm now and get your situation straightened out. I've been there in athletics and felt shorted at the program I ended up at - I can empathize.
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That's actually a great analogy. Every so often, you'll read about some top athlete who is forced to leave some powerhouse Division I college and go to a junior college or something. And you know they're thinking everyone around them is a scrub, no matter what.
 
ruralsurg4now said:
The old forum display used to show your sexual preference??
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LOL...no. I see my response above wasn't very clear.

What I meant was that my profile mentions things like "Cougarrific" and had a picture of me, and one could easily search old threads where I've mentioned my preference for men.
 
ruralsurg4now said:
That's actually a great analogy. Every so often, you'll read about some top athlete who is forced to leave some powerhouse Division I college and go to a junior college or something. And you know they're thinking everyone around them is a scrub, no matter what.
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Those athletes have already proven themselves. The OP hasn't. It's hypocritical to think you're better than other med students, wherever they're from, when you got kicked out of med school.
 
I'm genuinely confused as to what the OP's troubles actually are. Apparently he's awful at test-taking? And clashes with administration? And has boundary/limit issues? Poor dear. I'm impressed she hasn't dropped you like a hot potato yet. Are you especially good looking, OP?
 
Lol
Winged Scapula said:
LOL...no. I see my response above wasn't very clear.

What I meant was that my profile mentions things like "Cougarrific" and had a picture of me, and one could easily search old threads where I've mentioned my preference for men.
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Ibn Alnafis MD said:
Seems to me that you've never learned your lesson. You still think you are above everybody else. Pathetic.
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Yep, that's an unkind statement to make toward DO's. OP is just upset right now. 🙁
 
ruralsurg4now said:
I don't think he's changed, but I don't think that his thoughts that he wrote were out of line. In other words, if I was in his shoes and found myself in that position, I could easily see myself feeling bitter and looking down at the other Caribbean students, even if I was one. It may not make sense, since you would just say "well, you're here, too" but it happens. Especially if before he had graduated from a top university and gotten into a good US allopathic program. That's just human nature. You can't wish that away is all I'm saying.
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In his current state, his thoughts were out of line, even if they were somehow justified by bitterness. He needs hope, and maybe someone can provide that for him.
 
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crimsonkid85 said:
Does anyone find it strange that his wife is still willing to marry him?
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No. I've known lots of women married to guys who I think are a-holes, or vice versa. What makes you think it's impossible?
 
Whoa.. this thread sucks. The situation sounds awful, but respectfully, there's a fine line between tactful venting and unprofessional, hate bashing--the latter of which should be reserved for trusted friends and family (like your awesome fiancee), not for a bunch of strangers on the Internet who are going to feel offended when you demean everyone.

More productively, what is it that keeps drawing you to medicine? It doesn't sound like your current or future colleagues.. I would hate a job where I hated everyone.
 
crimsonkid85 said:
Does anyone find it strange that his wife is still willing to marry him?
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Not at all. I don't think a couple posts on in internet forum is a fair representation of someone. Also, love is blind. When you are in love with someone you tend to overlook, or accept their shortcomings (of which the OP has a couple glaring ones).

I certainly agree with the sentiment that the OP has an overly inflated ego. That seems to be what got him into this mess in the first place. Coasting easily into medical school, and now feeling entitled to a degree without putting in much effort, especially being at a supposed "inferior" state school that is meant for mere mortals, unworthy of a demi-god such as himself. After ruining the opportunity of a life time, because he couldn't swallow his pride, he now realizes that it was a mistake. Yet the irony of it all, is that he continues to foster the same arrogant attitudes that got him into this situation in the first place. As ruralsurg4now has mentioned, this sort of egotistical personality is rampant amongst med students and physicians. The fact that it is common, does not make it appropriate though. Humility is a virtue, but arrogance is never going to benefit you, even if you are indeed the smartest student in your class. It's a real shame that there was a valuable life lesson to be learned in all of this misfortune and the OP seems to have completely missed it. I can already foresee him dropping out of this Caribbean med school because he is "too good" for it and is disgusted by all these inferior DOs and students, and then regretting it when he ends up getting stuck at some remedial job for the rest of his life. My best advice is to swallow your pride and just put your head down and go to work (Just like your girlfriend did, and look where she is now). Don't worry about those around you or your perception of them. Do what you need to do to get where you want to be. Simply feeling entitled is not going to achieve anything.
 
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