Yeah, those are all good examples and things I've heard before. I dunno, to me it's frustrating because -- don't get mad when I write this, I'm not trying to make this like a debate when you're just offering suggestions -- you can always turn a scenario into one that "works," but I don't see it in real life. That probably makes no sense, so let me give some examples. Like, let's say that you garden (which I don't), then odds are you're meeting older people. I mean, let's be honest and say that there aren't a whole lot of 20-something men or women gardening. But someone will say "...but one of them may have a daughter/son!" Well, sure, but you're just saying a possibility, not a probability. The odds of you joining a gardening club or discussion group and someone saying "you know, you seem like a great person, how about I have you meet my eligible, young, attractive daughter/son?" are pretty small. It's sort of how I view the whole "meet someone at a supermarket" argument. In theory, it's perfect: attractive women go to supermarkets, you have "buying food" as a common activity! But the reality is that it's, in my opinion, difficult to impossible to walk up to a complete stranger and say "grated cheese, huh? Yeah, that's my favorite brand, too" or something. I know pick-up artists pride themselves on just walking up to anyone anywhere and striking up a conversation and being fine with shot down 99 times out of 100 and saying "so? I got a number on the 100th try" but I'm not really of that mentality. To me, although I can't fault the balls of the guy, it's sort of like going to a club and going "wanna dance? No? OK, how about you? No? You? No? You? No? ..." Like, for me, so far I'm planning on running in a 5K this weekend, just because it was something to do, not because I plan on meeting anyone there. Which is great, right? Because everyone always says "do it because you want to do it and if you meet someone also, that's just a bonus." But realistically, the odds of meeting someone at a road race are pretty much zero. People just go to the race, run, and then leave. Again, you can always argue -- as you can for any situation -- "well, just walk up to them and start talking," but I'm pretty dubious that this has ever been done or worked before. I mean, theoretically you could say that I could meet a woman by just talking to them as they left a public restroom at the bus station, too, but come one.