DOs in general surgery

[Gatorman177]

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I think that ACGME gen surgery bias toward MD is more pronounced than I thought... I had the chance to speak to a gen surg PD (new program) and he told me straight (off the record) that they favor MD applicants (AMG/IMG)... He also told me they have not taken a DO student since the program started (5 years ago), but they have taken a few IMG... This is crazy!

See! It does exist! I wasn't crazy for thinking this

 

[demayette]

See! It does exist! I wasn't crazy for thinking this

I think someone has to sue... Maybe I will be the first one to sue a PD.😛

 

[meliora27]

I think that ACGME gen surgery bias toward MD is more pronounced than I thought... I had the chance to speak to a gen surg PD (new program) and he told me straight (off the record) that they favor MD applicants (AMG/IMG)... He also told me they have not taken a DO student since the program started (5 years ago), but they have taken a few IMG... This is crazy!

What region of the country was this? I think there are still regional biases for sure.

 

[meliora27]

I think someone has to sue... Maybe I will be the first one to sue a PD.😛

Or... why not urge the AOA or AACOM to poll PD's who favor IMG/FMG over DO and see if some patterns can be discovered. Those may lead to some decent jumping off points for tackling some of the issues that lead to DO discrimination.

 

[Gatorman177]

Or... why not urge the AOA or AACOM to poll PD's who favor IMG/FMG over DO and see if some patterns can be discovered. Those may lead to some decent jumping off points for tackling some of the issues that lead to DO discrimination.

And the winner issssss .... IGNORANCE. OLD SCHOOL IGNORANCE.

 

[BurghStudent]

You have to take all NRMP data with a grain of salt. With the exception of Ophthalmology, all ACGME programs have their match date after the AOA match data. Since students can't apply to and match at an AOA program, decline it, and try their luck with the NRMP match the same year, many high caliber osteopathic applicants forgo the NRMP match altogether. For the few that do match into, say ACGME GS programs, they had to skip the AOA match. That is a risky gamble.

The single most immediate benefit the merger would provide is a single match to remedy such logistical nightmares. Unfortunately, the NRMP was not present at the meeting, but most folks leading the merger agree that a single match is the next logical step.

 

[SurgeDO]

a 230+ will get you an ACGME residency.

students in my class were interviewing at ivies (even some of the top ivies) with mid 240s.

AOA seems to have a good sized number of solid GS residencies with a couple of exceptional places.

 

[meliora27]

students in my class were interviewing at ivies (even some of the top ivies) with mid 240s.

What fields were these Ivy League interviews in? We're they the actual university programs Eg: Yale New Haven and not the affiliated community program like Yale - Bridgeport?

 

[SurgeDO]

What fields were these Ivy League interviews in? We're they the actual university programs Eg: Yale New Haven and not the affiliated community program like Yale - Bridgeport?

g-surge

real deal ivies...not branches.

 

[meliora27]

I always think it's funny that the Ivy League is used to talk about academics probably more than it's used to actually describe what it is, an NCAA conference. No one ever talks about SEC law schools or matching Gen Surg at a Pac 12 program.

 

[235009]

I always think it's funny that the Ivy League is used to talk about academics probably more than it's used to actually describe what it is, an NCAA conference. No one ever talks about SEC law schools or matching Gen Surg at a Pac 12 program.

more importantly this is not undergrad where ivy league schools are universally considered top tier and extremely competitive. doing residency at an "ivy league" is a meaningless statement regardless of which specialty you're talking about

 

[demayette]

a 230+ will get you an ACGME residency.

students in my class were interviewing at ivies (even some of the top ivies) with mid 240s.

AOA seems to have a good sized number of solid GS residencies with a couple of exceptional places.

Do you think 230 can get someone into ACGME gen sur?

 

[hallowmann]

What region of the country was this? I think there are still regional biases for sure.

There absolutely is a regional component to this. I've heard repeatedly from people in the NYC/NJ region that being a SGU grad gunning for surgery is better than being a DO when looking for residencies in the area (probably because of the sheer number of SGU grads and their presence during rotations). I'm not from that region, nor am I looking to there for my future, so I honestly don't know.

That said, I think overall nationwide, this isn't the case. At very least, they are equal on the surgery level (as I alluded to), and as we all know, DOs are generally prefered in most other specialties.