DOs in MD residencies

[uhs2004]

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Can DOs go into allopathic residency slots in the states that require the internships? Can they go directly into the PGY-1 year, or do they have to first do a rotating internship, and then enter the allopathic residency? Thanks...

 

[DrMom]

I believe that you do the rotating internship and then enter the residency (at least in Oklahoma).

 

[JPNSU]

I think your question can be answered by going directly to the, "horse's mouth."

www.aoa-net.org

 

[Pikevillemedstudent]

I have always heard that you could. The problem is that you can't moonlight or practice there once you finish. There was a post about this before. The guy in the post said he contacted a program in PA and they said he could if memory serves. Try doing a search. Let us know what you find out.

 

[DrQuinn]

You can do a residency in those 5 states, no problem. Don't have to do the internship. However, you cannot moonlight, and obviously can't practice in the state once you are done. But I know several DOs in EM residencies up in PA who didnt' do an internship. I may very well be one of those DOs (might go to PA or FL).
Q

 

[patters1111]

I heard that FL changed the law and does not require the DO internship. So there might only be 4 states now. I heard this information second handed so check on it if your interested and let us know

 

[xeer]

since i know that 2 of these states are in the so-called 'malpractice crisis', do you think you will see the internship waved to get a specialist? i know that many docs are leaving 2 of these states b/c of malpractice rates.

 

[domerstone]

In Oklahoma, one can do an allopathic residency in Oklahoma and petition to have the first year accepted as an intership year (a lot of the primary care residencies here have a PGY-1 that would fit the description of an osteopathic internship).

And you can moonlight, provided you have passed step 3 of the boards, and have applied and received a state license.

Hope this helps.

domerstone
MSII, Oklahoma State University Center for Health Sciences
College of Osteopathic Medicine
Tulsa OK

 

[OldManDave]

After tons of reading and writing to the state medical licensing boards, here's what I have found.

The fabled five states
Oklahoma
Michigan
West Virginia
Pennsylvania
Florida

To get full licensure in any of these states as a resident or newly out of a residency, you must have done an AOA internship or had your ACGME one approved. With the exceptions of MI & WV, you can still obtain a training certificate in these states to undertake a residency there; however, you will not be able to moonlight at all -- moonlighting requires full physician's licensure. You will also not be able to practice in one of these states straight out of your residency.

Now, I have heard of two mechanisms to circumvent these policies, but this info is second-hand and I have no idea if it will actually work. 1 - allegedly, after you are a Doc w/ x-years of practice under your belt, the AOA internship requirement no longer applies - it only applicable for Doc newly out of residency & 2 - allegedly you can apply for a license in a state that has a reciprocity clause with one of these 5 and get in that way.

The DO hardcore two
Michigan
West Virginia

Neither of these states will even grant you a training certificate if you have not done an AOA internship. You cannot train, moonlight, practice -- nothing, unless you have the silly damned internship.

 

[Stillwell]

I'm glad you said all that OldManDave, but interestingly enough I got two rejections from MI programs citing the same reason you stated, but then recently got an invite from another program up there. This confused me as to whether the other 2 programs were telling the truth or 'conveniently' rejecting me, but now I know. Guess I will cancel that MI program now. It's too cold up there anyway!

I am the one that called PA programs some time ago and asked the same question, and as Dave mentioned above, yes you can train there but not practice/moonlight.