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I haven't posted in a few days because I have been busy interviewing and working on abstracts and stuff. But I just got my official letter today saying I have a d-path fellowship spot for 2009!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a relief. Fortunately through a hook-up by my P.D. I was able to get "early consideration" and official notification. Now I can just relax! The program I'm going to is already full for 2008.

So now all I have to do is decide what to do in 2008. I can do cyto or surg path "in house" or I can do a GI fellowship that one attending says he can hook me up with. Tough choices. I am leaning towards Cyto or GI, but still not sure. I have to decide very soon as decisions for 2008 will be made over the next few months.

In any case, I feel so great and so relieved!
 
2009??!

Damn dude that is a long ass way off. grats tho.
 
Congrats! I guess that is one spot down for us gunning for the 2009 spots - and we have not even started applying yet, thinking that mid-2007 would be the time to do that.
 
LADoc00 said:
2009??!

Damn dude that is a long ass way off. grats tho.
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Yeah this program was booked for 2008 already and they weren't officially interviewing for 2009, but I got the hook up from my PD. I have interviewed for other place for 2008, but I withdrew my application, because I'm just psyched to have a bird in the hand. My next move is to figure out what I'll do in 2008. I know I have made big talk about doing GI or GU as three star fellowships, but I am starting get sucked into the idea of doing cyto or heme. That sounds bad ass to be boarded in derm, heme and AP-CP. Groups will be hiring girls to "show me around town" when I interview for private practice, that's how bad they'll want me.
But even if I do a chill Surg path year, that would be great too. I could put off the boards for a year, and chill.

I am also entertaining molecular in 2008. If I could work that angle, that I'm the man to make their private practice group the most sophisticated in the region by "molecularizing" it as much as possible, plus build a d-path empire, I think groups would be offereing me partnership to start.
 
BigD said:
Congrats! I guess that is one spot down for us gunning for the 2009 spots - and we have not even started applying yet, thinking that mid-2007 would be the time to do that.
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Dude, you are seriously ****ed if you wait until mid 2007 for 2009, the latest I would start the process would be early 2007. By starting I mean making contact, going out and having face to face with fellowship directors, and also doing away rotations.

It really is time that D-path and the other competitive boarded specialties enter the matching process like Cardiology and GI and some of the surgical subspecialties. It would make things more reasonable and more fair.

A person who went to UCSF for path a year or two before I went into path told me in 2003 that the UCSF neuropath fellowship was "booked" through 2007. She actually told me there was some medical student from NYU that they had ensured would get the spot if she wanted it. I guess she had done some research there and they though she was the bomb. I was concerned about this at the time, as I thought I wanted to do neuropath, but that is when I was naive. Anyway, it is more than just D-path that books things way in advance.
 
Dude, you are seriously ****ed if you wait until mid 2007 for 2009, the latest I would start the process would be early 2007. By starting I mean making contact, going out and having face to face with fellowship directors, and also doing away rotations.


By waiting until mid-2007, I meant ACTUALLY sending in my application to the programs. Several of the programs I have contacted are still in the process of accepting applications/interviewing for 2008 spots and are not even entertaining 2009 applicants (in fact, Dr. Cockerell in our program is just now interviewing applicants for 2007, believe it or not). These programs specifically told me to hold off on sending my application until mid-2007. As far as making connections, completing projects, doing away rotations, etc. - I have been doing these way before I started residency (I went into Pathology knowing that I will pursue fellowship training in Dermpath - my research background/work prior to residency was on skin).

Filling fellowship spots way too early was one of the major issues brought to fore at the CAP Residents' Forum in San Diego. Like you said, people in general were hoping to have a match system in place for fellowships, particularly the most competitive ones like Derm and GI.
 
BigD said:
Dude, you are seriously ****ed if you wait until mid 2007 for 2009, the latest I would start the process would be early 2007. By starting I mean making contact, going out and having face to face with fellowship directors, and also doing away rotations.


By waiting until mid-2007, I meant ACTUALLY sending in my application to the programs. Several of the programs I have contacted are still in the process of accepting applications/interviewing for 2008 spots and are not even entertaining 2009 applicants (in fact, Dr. Cockerell in our program is just now intervieiwing applicants for 2007, believe it or not). These programs specifically told me to hold off on sending in my application until mid-2007. As far as making connections, completing projects, doing away rotations, etc. - I have been doing these way before I started residency (I went into Pathology knowing that I will pursue fellowship training in Dermpath - my research background/work prior to residency was on skin).

Filling fellowship spots way too early was one of the major issues brought to fore at the CAP Residents' Forum in San Diego. Like you said, people in general were hoping to have a match system in place for fellowships, particularly the most competitive ones like Derm and GI.
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I don't know if they will be able to get one for GI-path since it isn't a boarded fellowship. Well at least not the "ERAS" like one that cards and gi-gi uses.

And dude, just because a program is still accepting applications, don't believe that spots aren't already verbally promised away. If they interview, then they probably have spots. Although, I know one of our fellowships has spots that are for sure going in-house in 2008, and they are still interviewing a few people from nearby residencies. I think they interview for back-ups in case people flake.
 
yaah said:
:laugh: :laugh: at this whole thread
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Laugh all you want. I have my eye on the prize, and now I'll got do is not get hit by a truck in order to be a dermatopathologist.

Now I just need to decide do I also want to be a GI-pathologist, hematopathologist, cytopathologist or other? What a fantastic problem to have!

I wish I could have "big pimpin" by J-z playing whenever anyone reads my posts!
 
dermpathlover said:
Laugh all you want. I have my eye on the prize, and now I'll got do is not get hit by a truck in order to be a dermatopathologist.
I wish I could have "big pimpin" by J-z playing whenever anyone reads my posts!
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Watch out for Irony there DPL.

Maybe we could have "Mo Money, Mo Problems," playing instead for you...
 
dermpathlover said:
I was concerned about this at the time, as I thought I wanted to do neuropath, but that is when I was naive. Anyway, it is more than just D-path that books things way in advance.
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DPL, what steered you away from neuropath?
 
asimov38 said:
DPL, what steered you away from neuropath?
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He found out it was a zero star fellowship, or zero dollar fellowship, one of the two....
 
dermpathlover said:
Yeah this program was booked for 2008 already and they weren't officially interviewing for 2009, but I got the hook up from my PD. I have interviewed for other place for 2008, but I withdrew my application, because I'm just psyched to have a bird in the hand. My next move is to figure out what I'll do in 2008. I know I have made big talk about doing GI or GU as three star fellowships, but I am starting get sucked into the idea of doing cyto or heme. That sounds bad ass to be boarded in derm, heme and AP-CP. Groups will be hiring girls to "show me around town" when I interview for private practice, that's how bad they'll want me.
But even if I do a chill Surg path year, that would be great too. I could put off the boards for a year, and chill.

I am also entertaining molecular in 2008. If I could work that angle, that I'm the man to make their private practice group the most sophisticated in the region by "molecularizing" it as much as possible, plus build a d-path empire, I think groups would be offereing me partnership to start.
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I have known one guy who landed the Pathology "trifecta" of AP/CP, heme and derm and trust me, it is sweetness to see. Long time in training tho and TONS of time studying for boards, heme is a killer too.

We need the next "paydirt" to be a 300K starting position offer letter. Fellowships are just bullet points on your CV until you convert them to payola.
 
LADoc00 said:
I have known one guy who landed the Pathology "trifecta" of AP/CP, heme and derm and trust me, it is sweetness to see. Long time in training tho and TONS of time studying for boards, heme is a killer too.

We need the next "paydirt" to be a 300K starting position offer letter. Fellowships are just bullet points on your CV until you convert them to payola.
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It would only be six years for me. 4 ap/cp 1+ 1+. I sure as hell ain't doing no extra research year or nothing, or going to a 2 year hemepath programs at NIH, Nebraska, U.W. etc.... 6 years ain't nothing.

Once I have my last fellowship lined up, which should happen in the 2 months, then I quit starting any new abstracts and papers and spend full time learning what I need to do to pass boards while making future $$$-connections.
 
dermpathlover said:
It would only be six years for me. 4 ap/cp 1+ 1+. I sure as hell ain't doing no extra research year or nothing, or going to a 2 year hemepath programs at NIH, Nebraska, U.W. etc.... 6 years ain't nothing.

Once I have my last fellowship lined up, which should happen in the 2 months, then I quit starting any new abstracts and papers and spend full time learning what I need to do to pass boards while making future $$$-connections.
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6 years is a long time bro. As I said each year has a HUGE opportunity cost associated with it.
Imagine the guy who did 3 years of AP+Dermpath.
HIM year 5 salary....250,000 you PGY5.....40,000
Him year 6.............300,000 you PGY6.....45,000
Him partner year 7...500,000 you year 1 salary...275,000

by the end of your first year guy#1(the 4 year man, the true DPL) has a 690K income advantage on your ass. By end of your year 1, he is getting a large portion of his income as a shareholder paying only capital gains tax rates. He has a lot more deductions/shelters than you as well as making almost double. Over the life of both your respective careers, the amount his 250K post tax (assuming that he saves 250 from his 690 pre-tax amount and lives those first 3 years on the difference, which is still a ton to play with) advantage grows even at a 8% bond rate is equal to an endgame amount of 3.7 million!!

Big picture here, big picture.
 
All these high salaries are for private practice path (no basic science research), right? I mean, that's what many of you do, isn't it?
 
Med_Leviathan said:
All these high salaries are for private practice path (no basic science research), right? I mean, that's what many of you do, isn't it?
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Those numbers are way more likely in private practice. Talk about the money in academics is kind of pointless, as that is not the reason one goes into academics.
 
LADoc00 said:
6 years is a long time bro. As I said each year has a HUGE opportunity cost associated with it.
Imagine the guy who did 3 years of AP+Dermpath.
HIM year 5 salary....250,000 you PGY5.....40,000
Him year 6.............300,000 you PGY6.....45,000
Him partner year 7...500,000 you year 1 salary...275,000

by the end of your first year guy#1(the 4 year man, the true DPL) has a 690K income advantage on your ass. By end of your year 1, he is getting a large portion of his income as a shareholder paying only capital gains tax rates. He has a lot more deductions/shelters than you as well as making almost double. Over the life of both your respective careers, the amount his 250K post tax (assuming that he saves 250 from his 690 pre-tax amount and lives those first 3 years on the difference, which is still a ton to play with) advantage grows even at a 8% bond rate is equal to an endgame amount of 3.7 million!!

Big picture here, big picture.
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hmmmmmmm....that's true, but that's too late for me now. I'm AP/CP. I kind of like being AP/CP/DP/HP boarded or AP/CP/DP/Cyto boarded or AP/CP/DP boarded with GI subspecialty training. I think it makes you more dynamic, which may mean more opportunities.
 
dermpathlover said:
Once I have my last fellowship lined up, which should happen in the 2 months, then I quit starting any new abstracts and papers and spend full time learning what I need to do to pass boards while making future $$$-connections.
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Are you going to tell fellowship directors this? Because it's pretty dishonest to do this, especially if you played up research/projects/academic aspirations in your interviews.

I get the sense you are going to burn a lot of bridges or at the very least lose a lot of respect of those you need to have it from.
 
I'm starting to wonde of DPL isn't an incarnation of Pathmonster, who started the classic(ally stupid) Best Fellowship Combo thread back in February.

Hmmm....

Pathmonster said:
The combos are many. What would make you the most dynamic attractive applicant?
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Dermapathlover said:
I think it makes you more dynamic, which may mean more opportunities.
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Pathmonster said:
I'm talking about best powercombos of fellowships.
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Pathmonster said:
I think Derm+GI+GU would be about the ideal fellowship combo.
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Dermpathlover said:
The most mad wicked fellowship combo would be a year of D-path and a year of GI path, or a year of D and a year of GU
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If that's the case, this clown was making ig'nant posts (1) less than a year ago, and has now landed a derm spot. I'm calling bull****.

To cap it off, Pathmonster started a rather bizarre thread in Emergency Medicine entitled "best" and "worst" programs for ED pelvic exams.





1. From Best Fellowship Combo, Post #16, 02-01-2006, 05:59 PM
Pathmonster said:
So dermpath people never go work for a group where they do general also? They typically only do D-Path?
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Havarti666 said:
Thanks. Did you notice they both use of the rather rare term "D-path"?
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Don't get me started on "D-path." Where's my baseball bat when I need it?!
 
well somebody can do an IP check to see if those two login names have a common IP address.

remember tonkatruck? yeah, it was back in the day. but this individual has at least two other login names.
 
anyways, good work havarti. you get a cookie. seriously, i never made that connection. strong investigative work there.

so what happens now?

this person comes back 6 months from now with a new login name such as schitzengiggle and posts the same drivel. what's new?
 
AndyMilonakis said:
this person comes back 6 months from now with a new login name such as schitzengiggle and posts the same drivel. what's new?
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Not much. I actually find the drivel itself amusing, but I do think he's strongly inflating his credentials and we shouldn't buy into it without more evidence. I suspect he was an M4 as Pathmonster and is now a PGY-1.

Cheap thrills are still thrills.
 
cytoborg said:
Don't get me started on "D-path." Where's my baseball bat when I need it?!
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If you did D-path you could afford to get your own custom made bat with your own autograph burned into it.

Tonkatruck was perhaps the lamest path troll ever - although perhaps I think what really happened is that the Tonkatruck login was someone else's (who I know who it is but shall not out) and they forgot to change before reposting.

The concept of the troll boggles my mind anyway - for tonkatruck, either he was a high school student trolling as a path applicant, or he was a path applicant trolling as a high school student. Either way, that reaches the height of lame-ass-ness.

But to my knowledge, DPL is not Tonkatruck. It is possible though because if DPL is being accurate in his timeline, he is now PGY-3 and Tonkatruck claimed to be a path applicant the same year I was (and I am PGY-3). As for your other suppositions, I won't say anything other than there have been no clear TOS violations (A TOS violation would be posting with more than one account) - as registering every so often with a different username but not using the former ones is technically ok.
 
yaah said:
as registering every so often with a different username but not using the former ones is technically ok.
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Good to know. I was thinking of retiring this account and returning as something even lamer and more bizarre.
 
Havarti666 said:
Good to know. I was thinking of retiring this account and returning as something even lamer and more bizarre.
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I was in the grocery store today and saw some "Havarti" cheese. You named after that? And yeah, five years ago (@the peak of my creativelessness) I came up with this lame handle. I vowed that after the match I would return as something else (and hence, anonymous).
 
UCSFbound said:
I was in the grocery store today and saw some "Havarti" cheese. You named after that?
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Yeah, my love of cheese borders on the extreme. Thought I'd spice it up with a nod to Satan. The depressing part is that it could be better than what I come up with next time.
 
yaah said:
Are you going to tell fellowship directors this? Because it's pretty dishonest to do this, especially if you played up research/projects/academic aspirations in your interviews.
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Of course not. That would be stupid. You play up your past track record not what you are not going to do in the future. Once you have your letter of intent and signed it, it doesn't matter. No one can hold it against you for changing your mind even if you did say you were interested in doing projects. How many people started off as MD/PhDs with the idea of being a bench scientist and being a Nobel prize winner and instead went into a more clinical career or even a private practice career? People can always change their minds.
 
yaah said:
Are you going to tell fellowship directors this? Because it's pretty dishonest to do this, especially if you played up research/projects/academic aspirations in your interviews.

I get the sense you are going to burn a lot of bridges or at the very least lose a lot of respect of those you need to have it from.
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Yawn.. If only there was a way to delete boring posts...
 
:laugh: SOooo
what is the verdict here?
Is DPL=pathmonster??:laugh:

This is hilarious!
 
dermpathlover said:
Of course not. That would be stupid. You play up your past track record not what you are not going to do in the future. Once you have your letter of intent and signed it, it doesn't matter. No one can hold it against you for changing your mind even if you did say you were interested in doing projects. How many people started off as MD/PhDs with the idea of being a bench scientist and being a Nobel prize winner and instead went into a more clinical career or even a private practice career? People can always change their minds.
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You're not changing your mind though. You're deciding prospectively that you are not going to follow the same path that you are on now, despite that fact that you will be trying to get a fellowship(s) based on this past path. It's deception. As I said, you are going to burn some bridges this way. But if you are fine with this, so what I guess. If they can't figure it out, it's their problem.
 
LADoc00 said:
I thought having multiple identities was a TOS violation...

respect my authority!
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As I said, it is a TOS violation if you use more than one account concurrently. But having an identity, and then creating a new one and discarding the old one is not technically a violation. There are MANY users on these forums who switch IDs every few months or years - either because they think someone will find out who they are, they think having too many posts means they are a loser, they want a new identity or are unhappy with their life and creating a new forum ID is a reasonable path for them to take, or whatever.
 
this post is pretty funny and it raises a question i've been wondering about. although the majority of path residents/fellows will end up in private practice, almost all fellowship training programs (and to a lesser extent residency programs) greatly desire to train academic pathologists. so, assuming one wants to enter private practice eventually but does want a fellowship position, you can either 1) lie about wanting to do academics (or at least be deceitful and imply this) and attempt prove this by the research you have done to date (ala dermpathlover) or 2) tell the truth and get absolutely zero fellowship offers. any thought on this conundrum? it seems like a crappy position to be in.

[as an aside, i am not sure which i want to do. i used to want to end up in private practice but i've gotten interested in a few projects recently and am kind of changing my tune i think.]
 
path19 said:
although the majority of path residents/fellows will end up in private practice, almost all fellowship training programs (and to a lesser extent residency programs) greatly desire to train academic pathologists.
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I don't think this is an accurate statement. I was very honest about wanting a job in private practice and about having limited interest in research. I chose programs where previous fellows had gone into private practice, so the attendings weren't astonished at the path I wanted to take.

Maybe things have changed in the last 3 years, but I'm suspect that there are still good fellowship programs that are happy to train future private practitioners.
 
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