Dr. David Newman, formerly of Mt. Sinai, charged with sexually abusing 4 women.

[kenjixshadow]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/n...column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

TL;DR - Dr. Newman admitted to a detective that he masturbated in a lounge before he treated one of the patients, and his semen might have transferred to her face during the examination.

Yes I know there is a thread about him in EM forum, but most attendings are posting there, so I feel the need of creating a separate thread for medical students to discuss about this. I'm greatly disappointed in him as I thought he was the voice in EM. I used to listen to the annals of EM by him and my mentor gave me Newman's book - Hippocrates' Shadow. I haven't read it yet, but don't know if I want to now.

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[Mad Jack]

At the very least, that's a hand washing policy violation so bad it should cost one their license. Literally the worst defense I've ever heard.

This guy should start asking his friends to bake tubes of surgilube into some cakes if he doesn't take the 4 year deal, because he'll be going away for the rest of his life, and deservedly so. Wtf is wrong with people.

 

[kenjixshadow]

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[Mad Jack]

I woke up this morning. Saw this new and I was so infuriated. It's unbelievable. About the hand washing thing, I've seen so many attendings don't wash their hands upon entering the rooms. Back to the guy, I still cant believe it. This dude is one of the most well know EM attendings and his medical knowledge is brilliant. But wtf is this!!! He should've just paid to ejaculate on someone's face. Hell, I bet some medical students would take it too if he pays off their student debts. Anyway, he done f*** up and there is nothing can save his ass now.

P.s., MJ if I ever find out that you do some weird **** like this, I'll punch you in the nuts before you get caught.

Anyone who does this deserves more than just a punch. But there'll be plenty of roughing up for a person convicted of a sex crime behind bars, no need to do the vigilante work when plenty of inmates are itching to do it for you.

 

[urMDandDDS]

http://heavy.com/news/2016/01/dr-da...nt-new-york-doctor-photos-video-iraq-bio-age/

His wife's name is Ashley Shreves and they have two sons. He destroyed a family and these three lives by doing this. He will be banned from medicine at the least. He will most likely have permanent problems at the latter portions of his GI tracts during his stay in jail.

 

[midwestisbest]

I don't understand how you could possibly hope to get away with something like this.

 

[NYCpremed212]

Imagine all the other people abusing their power and DONT get caught. I'm glad they at least removed one from society.

 

[NontradCA]

Imagine all the other people abusing their power and DONT get caught. I'm glad they at least removed one from society.

Happens everyday. I've seen it multiple times at my school.

 

[Microshaft]

Once the woman was physically helpless, unable to open her eyes or speak, Dr. Newman masturbated at her bedside and ejaculated on her face, Ms. Kim told the court. DNA evidence from the woman’s eye and cheek matched the doctor’s DNA profile, the prosecutor said.

GG

 

[notcool]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/n...column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

TL;DR - Dr. Newman admitted to a detective that he masturbated in a lounge before he treated one of the patients, and his semen might have transferred to her face during the examination.

Yes I know there is a thread about him in EM forum, but most attendings are posting there, so I feel the need of creating a separate thread for medical students to discuss about this. I'm greatly disappointed in him as I thought he was the voice in EM. I used to listen to the annals of EM by him and my mentor gave me Newman's book - Hippocrates' Shadow. I haven't read it yet, but don't know if I want to now.

Dale Dubin wrote a good EKG book, but he was into child porn. Not saying Hippocrates' Shadow is a good or bad book because I haven't read it, but a bad person could write a good book.

 

[ACSurgeon]

Dale Dubin wrote a good EKG book, but he was into child porn. Not saying Hippocrates' Shadow is a good or bad book because I haven't read it, but a bad person could write a good book.

EKG book is about EKG knowledge. The author's character doesn't matter. Wanting to deprive him of royalties is the only reason to boycot it.

Hippocrate's shadow is about the patient-physician bond. The author's character matters a lot. Now, it might be a good read (haven't read it myself), but it's like reading a well written ethics book authored by a criminal. I have no interest in hearing his opinion on the matter, because he clearly doesn't exemplify what a good physician patient relationship should entail.

 

[notcool]

EKG book is about EKG knowledge. The author's character doesn't matter. Wanting to deprive him of royalties is the only reason to boycot it.

Hippocrate's shadow is about the patient-physician bond. The author's character matters a lot. Now, it might be a good read (haven't read it myself), but it's like reading a well written ethics book authored by a criminal. I have no interest in hearing his opinion on the matter, because he clearly doesn't exemplify what a good physician patient relationship should entail.

I haven't read the book, and I have no opinion about the book. I don't care about Newman either.

But my point is sometimes an unethical person (e.g. a hypocrite) can still write an ethical book.

 

[Law2Doc]

You can enjoy a book even though you subsequently find you have contempt for the author. Did your Subway sandwich taste worse knowing what Jared was up to? Or consider the NFL -- we all watch the Super Bowl despite the various criminal charges that many of these guys get charged with during and after their careers. you've probably cheered for a murderer without necessarily even knowing it.

 

[piii]

You can enjoy a book even though you subsequently find you have contempt for the author. Did your Subway sandwich taste worse knowing what Jared was up to? Or consider the NFL -- we all watch the Super Bowl despite the various criminal charges that many of these guys get charged with during and after their careers. you've probably cheered for a murderer without necessarily even knowing it.

Jesus Christ why even argue lol he doesn't like the guy and doesn't want to read his book. Why does it have to be some philosophical debate?

 

[notcool]

Jesus Christ why even argue lol he doesn't like the guy and doesn't want to read his book. Why does it have to be some philosophical debate?

I agree!

 

[deleted407021]

Newman!!

 

[Law2Doc]

...Why does it have to be some philosophical debate?

Um, maybe because this is a discussion board?

 

[mvenus929]

I used to listen to the annals of EM by him and my mentor gave me Newman's book - Hippocrates' Shadow. I haven't read it yet, but don't know if I want to now.

It actually is a good book. It focuses more on moving away from reliance on tests to help diagnose our patients, but actually talking to and examining them. It also has some interesting views about critical appraisal of the literature.

Not that I'm encouraging people to read it. I don't care one way or the other if you do. But it is an interesting book.

 

[LabMonster]

Has he been convicted? Anyone? Innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Cytarabine]

Has he been convicted? Anyone? Innocent until proven guilty.

His defense is he whacked off in the bathroom on duty, didn't wash his hands with splooge on them, self administered an extra dose of morphine to a patient, then got his splooge on her face while examining her. I'm fine making assumptions of guilt at this point

 

[FIREitUP]

His defense is he whacked off in the bathroom on duty, didn't wash his hands with splooge on them, self administered an extra dose of morphine to a patient, then got his splooge on her face while examining her. I'm fine making assumptions of guilt at this point

jizz happens.

 

[Almighty Saguaro]

jizz happens.

I hate to say it, but he had it "coming"

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[LabMonster]

His defense is he whacked off in the bathroom on duty, didn't wash his hands with splooge on them, self administered an extra dose of morphine to a patient, then got his splooge on her face while examining her. I'm fine making assumptions of guilt at this point

Share your source please. This guy has a lot of weight in EM, at least he used to, but if there are conclusive reports like you're talking about, I haven't read them yet.

 

[Cytarabine]

Share your source please. This guy has a lot of weight in EM, at least he used to, but if there are conclusive reports like you're talking about, I haven't read them yet.

I've admittedly just been following along in the thread on the EM forum since he was first accused. All the staff / residents there were in the innocent until proven guilty camp until a few days ago when he reportedly made those statements to police as his defense.

 

[midwestisbest]

Share your source please. This guy has a lot of weight in EM, at least he used to, but if there are conclusive reports like you're talking about, I haven't read them yet.

"According to court documents, Dr. Newman told a detective that he had masturbated in a lounge before he treated the patient with shoulder pain and that his semen may have been transferred to her face during the examination."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/n...is-charged-with-sexually-abusing-4-women.html

This was, by the way, the link in the OP, so maybe would have been a good place to start.

 

[Law2Doc]

"According to court documents, Dr. Newman told a detective that he had masturbated in a lounge before he treated the patient with shoulder pain and that his semen may have been transferred to her face during the examination."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/n...is-charged-with-sexually-abusing-4-women.html

This was, by the way, the link in the OP, so maybe would have been a good place to start.

If that's the best defense you can offer, things are looking kind of bad. (This is, of course, assuming that the prosecutor can produce his DNA, which sounds like the case).

 

[Pacna]

Agree with the above in terms of waiting to socially lynch him until the guilty verdict, though that does seem exceedingly likely. It's far too easy to destroy someone via media with false allegations.

That said... VR porn can't come soon enough to save some people from their sexual urges.

 

[zeppelinpage4]

Agree with the above in terms of waiting to socially lynch him until the guilty verdict, though that does seem exceedingly likely. It's far too easy to destroy someone via media with false allegations.

That said... VR porn can't come soon enough to save some people from their sexual urges.

Say no more!

 

[Mastroianni]

Thank you for sharing the news. I always assumed some things like this would occur but very rarely do people get caught or brought to justice.

 

[Law2Doc]

Thank you for sharing the news. I always assumed some things like this would occur but very rarely do people get caught or brought to justice.

Actually things like this almost never occur, which is why it's so newsworthy.

 

[twospadz]

The things this man has done is criminal and wrong. However, i just need to point something about this thread and medicine in general. This guy is definitely the extreme but just remember because it will come up, if you make a mistake or do something that is against the grain in medicine you will get persecuted for it especially by your collagues. Doctors are extremely notorious for it. Look at oz. Just remember you make a mistake in medicine and everyone will turn on you. Not saying its wrong or right. Just pointing it out.

 

[Law2Doc]

The things this man has done is criminal and wrong. However, i just need to point something about this thread and medicine in general. This guy is definitely the extreme but just remember because it will come up, if you make a mistake or do something that is against the grain in medicine you will get persecuted for it especially by your collagues. Doctors are extremely notorious for it. Look at oz. Just remember you make a mistake in medicine and everyone will turn on you. Not saying its wrong or right. Just pointing it out.

There's a big difference between making a mistake and your DNA ending up on your patients. You have to do something pretty egregious to have your colleagues turn on you. If you look at the similar thread on the ED board they were very pro defendant and against rushing to judgment/innocent until proven guilty until the more recent DNA allegations.

And actually Dr Oz is pretty egregious -- check out the John Oliver shows coverage of him on YouTube for a nice overview of how he's a true snake oil salesman. We aren't talking about "a" mistake there.

 

[urMDandDDS]

Dr. Newman's family, relatives, friends and colleagues must want this whole thing to disappear. Instead, he has disgraced the Newman family and given Mt. Sinai a lot of extra unwanted attention.

 

[673441]

"According to court documents, Dr. Newman told a detective that he had masturbated in a lounge before he treated the patient with shoulder pain and that his semen may have been transferred to her face during the examination."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/n...is-charged-with-sexually-abusing-4-women.html

This was, by the way, the link in the OP, so maybe would have been a good place to start.

How the heck did he even think the masturbating at work thing was still a better cover story? I mean either way, it's terrible. It's sort of like if a cop asked you if you smoked any weed because he could smell the odor on you and you say, ya but only when I'm at home.


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[jw3600]

How the heck did he even think the masturbating at work thing was still a better cover story? I mean either way, it's terrible. It's sort of like if a cop asked you if you smoked any weed because he could smell the odor on you and you say, ya but only when I'm at home.


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Only explanation he and his attorney could come up with that involved getting his splooge on her face without assaulting her. He didn't have many options.

 

[zeevee]

Why was he touching all over her face for shoulder pain and while injecting morphine with his dirty hands .He had to create a story between touching himself and his semen reaching her face .Atleast the bathroom tap was clean because we know for sure he didnt touch that !!!Came right to his duty .LOL
The judge will give a few points for creativity ( until he deducts all for lying )

 

[LDAR]

Seriously, who among us has not jerked off in the vicinity of a hot patient. Sometimes you're examining a hottie, maybe she has a great rack with a well manicured lawn, and you feel that chubby growing. You begin to imagine scenarios of you laying pipe to her in your mom's basement. Before you know it, you're about to explode so you withdraw yourself so as not to stain your scrub pants and every now and then she gets a little on her. No harm no foul.

 

[Terry Toma]

Only explanation he and his attorney could come up with that involved getting his splooge on her face without assaulting her. He didn't have many options.

I remember hearing about a physician years ago who explained the presence of his semen on a patient by claiming that he had sneezed so forcefully that the pressure forced a small amount of ejaculate through his repro tract and out of his penis (where it was somehow unimpeded by clothing and ended up on another person).

So Newman definitely had the "I sneezed so hard I came" defense available to him.

 

[takeurmeds02]

Wow, I was really hoping it was a bogus case...

 

[urMDandDDS]

Me too. This damage is irreversible. There's no coming back from this. The best he can hope for is an early exit from jail on good behavior.

 

[LabMonster]

Wow, I was really hoping it was a bogus case...

Me too. Evidence released, seems like he matches the plantiff complaint - trial to follow.

Everyone in medicine here, right? So lets go with evidence and body of work. Remember Dubin's EKG book? The one you were told to read (I hate it, there are better ones but anyway) Dale Dubin at age 46, was arrested in 1986 and pled guilty to charges related to child pornography and cocaine. Maybe you benefitted from the book. Maybe you learned the basics of ECG from the book - just because the author had issues doesn't negate his work.

Likewise, the work David Newman has done with his website, podcast (SMART EM), and website the NNT shouldn't go down with him. He's done some great work - he and many others, residents, attendings etc.

It does open a niche, though. Anyone open for deep-diving the literature looking for best practices that don't hurt patients? Anyone want to do MAJOR myth busting? Like, otitis media is self-limited and doesn't need treatment? It's a big niche. He did a good job. The "news" about him is certainly damning, and if convicted, sorry Dave - jail is where you will go. However; I don't think we should discount any of the work linked to him, especially when it was supported and performed by residents and Dr. Ashley Shreves.