Dr David Sabiston... RIP
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From the Duke web site (http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/2009/01/sabiston1.html)
Dr. Sabiston, who was chairman of the Department of Surgery for 30 years, was truly a giant in the field, training thousands of world-class surgeons, creating one of the most respected surgical residency programs in the world, and establishing a level of clinical achievement that earned him the respect of the global medical and research communities.
Um... No doubt he was one of the all-time leaders in surgical education, but how in the world did he find the time to train thousands of world-class surgeons? I mean, besides the 146 chief residents he trained over 30+ years as chairman of Duke surgery, where was he training the other 854+ world-class surgeons? Hmmmm.....
Dr. Sabiston, who was chairman of the Department of Surgery for 30 years, was truly a giant in the field, training thousands of world-class surgeons, creating one of the most respected surgical residency programs in the world, and establishing a level of clinical achievement that earned him the respect of the global medical and research communities.
Um... No doubt he was one of the all-time leaders in surgical education, but how in the world did he find the time to train thousands of world-class surgeons? I mean, besides the 146 chief residents he trained over 30+ years as chairman of Duke surgery, where was he training the other 854+ world-class surgeons? Hmmmm.....
Even 854 would be generous - I don't think you make thousandS until 2000.
As I recall, the Duke Dept of Surgery encompasses all the subspecialties (ortho, etc). You could cast a pretty wide net with that.
As I recall, the Duke Dept of Surgery encompasses all the subspecialties (ortho, etc). You could cast a pretty wide net with that.
Perhaps they are including sales of his books in those he "trained".
Nonetheless, it is a loss to the field and his influence will be missed.
Nonetheless, it is a loss to the field and his influence will be missed.
Duke general surgery currently takes 10 categoricals a year, and 15 prelims (some designated, some not). 10 categoricals * 30 years = 300 World-Class Surgeons.
Given that things used to be pyramidal and the base was smaller-- if you throw in those prelims from other fields, would it be possible to get to 1000?
Given that things used to be pyramidal and the base was smaller-- if you throw in those prelims from other fields, would it be possible to get to 1000?
Even after his stroke, dragging a leg, Dr. Sabiston would still come in 1 day a week to work.
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Yep, I used his textbook and several of my faculty attendings and my wonderful PD were all Duke-trained. He was definitely one of a kind from what I have heard. Yes, his influence has extended to thousands even tens of thousands if you include the texts, those neurosurgery, ENT, ortho folks and urology folks who would have done a surgical internship before going off to their specialty.. I had an attending that was actually trained by Schwartz too but influence by anyone one trained by Greenfield. Shazbat! Two out of three. 😀
we only have 7 categorical gen surg residents per/yr.... +/- the 1 or 2 that inevitably quit....
Really? I got my info from here, sorry:
http://www0.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,4403621247,00.html
http://www0.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,4403621247,00.html
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This year we've got 3 non-designated prelims....so with them included there's 10....but 7's the rule....
I know you're right, since it's your program, but I am curious:
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PGY-5 prelims?!
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PGY-5 prelims?!
Some programs routinely take fewer residents than they are allotted. I suspect it would be hard to spend a "decade with Dave" if the program matched all ten positions every year. But taking seven a year, you can still pay your lab residents as part of your allotment, no matter how long they stay in the lab.
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I also have been using his book since my MS-III year (had the 16th edition back then; upgraded to the 17th edition 18 months later)...a sad day for surgery.
No pgy-5 prelims, just pgy-1 prelims. the quoted numbers just don't refect the resident complement at it has been. There is, though, expansion on the horizon (or so the lore has it). Perhaps once the Duke Hospital expansion (complete with OR expansion) is complete, 10 categorical residents/yr will be the reality.
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