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Does anyone else have a dress code at their school? They are implementing this August 1st.
.1...Casual/Daily Dress Standards.
.a...Clean, casual styled clothing and shoes such as:.
·.Jeans of appropriate waist height; clothing of jean material and athletic shoes are acceptable..
·.Shirts with a tail or a split should be tucked in.
·.Belts should be worn with all pants that have belt loops.
·.An undershirt should be worn if undergarments are visible through clothing.
·.Skirts longer than two inches above the knee when sitting.
·.Sleeveless shirts.
·.Organization-branded approved T-shirts or jerseys.
·.Dress Capri pants.
·.Dress sandals.
·.Daily bathing and the use of deodorant are encouraged..

.b...Items specifically NOT permitted include:.
·.Hats, caps or head scarves worn indoors (except head scarves for religious/cultural purposes).
·.Shorts, skorts or mini-skirts.
·.Skirts shorter than two inches above the knee when sitting.
·.Party or Event T-shirts or T-shirts or sweatshirts with inappropriate or vulgar lettering or messages.
·.Frayed, torn, or dirt-washed jeans.
·.Sweatpants, spandex or exercise attire .
·.“Flip-Flops” .
·.Pajamas.
·.Spaghetti straps, halter tops, tube tops, low cut tops or tops showing the mid-drift.
There is also a dress code for days which require professional dress, but I don't think its nearly as controversial.

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Wow. That is absolutely brutal.

I feel for you, not even on the basis of a dress code alone - but that because the school is anal enough to do that. I can see they'd be a fun bunch to deal with.
 
Controversial? No. I'd say it's more ad than anything.

It's truly sad that people in graduate/professional school actually have to be encouraged to bathe and use deodorant daily, and be told.... in writing.... that the wearing of "flip-flops" is not acceptable. It almost makes me wonder what precipitated this...... what happened that there is now a need to tell students of this policy, and make it an official (in-writing) stance? Sheesh.

From Auburn U's SOP website:

APPROPRIATE ATTIRE FOR STUDENTS AT THE
AUBURN UNIVERSITY HARRISON SCHOOL OF PHARMACY
The following standards for attire apply to all students enrolled in Auburn University’s Harrison School of Pharmacy.
These standards should be followed during all hours in which the School is open to the public (generally 7:45 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., Monday through Friday).

Part I
General Personal Care Standards:
1. Adequate precautions should be taken to maintain good personal hygiene. These precautions include regular bathing, use of deodorants and regular dental hygiene.
2. Hair maintenance
2.1 Women: neat and clean, styled off the face and out of the eyes. If close contact with patient occurs (e.g. physical assessment procedures), hair longer than shoulder length should be secured.
2.2 Men: neat and clean, styled off the face and out of the eyes. If close contact with patients occurs (e.g. physical assessment procedures), hair longer than shoulder length should be secured. Beards and mustaches should be clean and well groomed.
3. Other personal care considerations
3.1. Cologne, perfume or aftershave is not recommended in the patient care setting due to patient allergies and sensitivities.
3.2. Cosmetics should be used in moderation.
3.3. Nails should be well groomed, manicured and of short to medium length to facilitate patient care activities.
3.4. Jewelry and accessories should be non-distracting.
Part II
Appropriate Attire Standards for Routine Harrison School of Pharmacy Attendance
1. Attire:
1.1 Women: Clean, business casual styled clothing and shoes.
1.2 Men: Clean, business casual styled clothing and shoes.
1.3 An approved identification badge must be worn on the student's person and visible at all times.
2. Items specifically not permitted under any condition:
2.1 Hats or caps (except headgear considered a part of religious or cultural dress).
2.2 Denim clothing or jeans of any color;
2.3 Shorts, cargo pants, culottes, skorts or mini-skirts and capri pants;
2.4 Sweatpants, sweatshirts, non-collared T-shirts or T-shirts with lettering, or midriff tops (business causal styled turtlenecks and mock turtlenecks may be worn);
2.5 Athletic shoes, causal sandals, clogs, such as “Flip-Flops,” “Birkenstocks” or beach shoes. Open toed shoes are discouraged and are not permitted in patient care areas.
2.6 Scrubs (tops or pants);
2.7 Buttons, large jewelry or accessories that could interfere with patient care or safety should be avoided.
2.8 Jewelry in pierced noses, lips, tongues or other exposed body areas, other than ears.
3. Exceptions:
3.1 After Hours and Weekend Attire: Students should dress neatly at all times while in the Walker Pharmacy Building. Care should be taken not to wear clothing that might be deemed inappropriate for a professional.
3.2 Activities in specific laboratories and patient areas in which the instructors or institutional policy supercedes this policy.
3.3 Any medical conditions that inhibit adherence should be discussed with the Associate Dean for Academic and Student Affairs.

Part III
Appropriate Attire Standards in the Context of Patient Care or Public Interactions:
Defined to include but not limited to the following situations:
a) Advanced Practice Experiences (APE)
b) Pharmacy Practice Experiences (PPE)*
c) Professional Seminar Series (PSS)**
d) Auburn University Pharmacy Care Clinic (AUPCC)
e) Professional meeting functions
f) End-of-year assessment
g) When prior notification is given (i.e. a patient will be in class)
h) Any context where the student is representing the School in Public

1. An approved identification badge must be worn on the student's personand visible at all times. (All students are expected to conform to this standard at all times.)
2. Attire:
2.1 Women: Clean, professionally styled clothing and shoes (i.e. dresses or skirts of medium length, non-denim tailored slacks, and appropriate tops). A clean, white, long sleeved waist-length pharmacy jacket is required in appropriate contextual settings.
2.2 Men: Clean, professionally styled clothing and shoes including a collared dress shirt with an appropriately knotted/secured necktie. A clean, white, long sleeved waist-length pharmacy jacket is required in appropriate contextual settings.
* In the event of a discrepancy between these standards and the PPE Manual, the PPE Manual shall supersede this standard.
** In the case of PSS, students are encouraged to dress according to the standards set for the context of public interactions. However, at a minimum they must dress in accordance with the standards of attire set for routine attendance.
Part IV
Enforcement Standards:
1) Standards of Attire are intended to be self-regulated.
2) Students inappropriately dressed or groomed may be dismissed (from classes) and requested to comply with the standards set forth in this document.
3) Questionable or disputed cases of dress or grooming shall be presented to the Board of Ethical and Professional Conduct (Honor Board).
4) Repeated actions judged to be violations by the Board of Ethical and Professional Conduct will be considered improper professional behavior and may result in disciplinary action.
5) Other policies may be implemented as warranted to ensure adherence to these standards.
 
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·.Daily bathing and the use of deodorant are encouraged..

Noice. "We may not have the best smelling students, but they sure do look nice!"

Reminds me of high school. We were not allowed to wear our hats backwards or sports jerseys because they were "gang related".
 
IT is one thing to require people to be professional when out at locations on rotations etc but when sitting in a classroom all day, who do you need to impress?
 
IT is one thing to require people to be professional when out at locations on rotations etc but when sitting in a classroom all day, who do you need to impress?

I think Auburn explains their reasoning quite succinctly:

These standards should be followed during all hours in which the School is open to the public (generally 7:45 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., Monday through Friday).

Evidently they want their SOP students to look the part, at least during hours when they're visible to the general public. That's not unreasonable. Now, pulling an all-nighter in the chem lab, wear jeans all you want.

Basically..... waaaaaaaaaaah. This is professional school. If you don't like it, feel free to give up your spot to someone on the waiting list. I'm sure they won't be nearly as put out by the school's requirements as you are.
 
No flip flops? That's just strange. Then again, I'm in Southern California. Half the faculty and most of the graduate students are in some combination of flip flops, shorts, and t-shirts 2/3 of the year.
 
No flip flops? That's just strange. Then again, I'm in Southern California. Half the faculty and most of the graduate students are in some combination of flip flops, shorts, and t-shirts 2/3 of the year.

So if it bothers you, don't apply to schools where you can't wear flipflops.
 
Viva la satellite campus 👍👍👍

Haha. ;-)

Seriously- with all the hand-wringing from people hoping to get accepted and are now lying awake at night worrying about it, what kind of idiot who got accepted to a school they applied to would then complain about the rules of that school?
 
Since the school is located in a bigger city, we have student who are more daring.
I guess the flip-flops thing sucks, because we're in New Orleans which has a humid, subtropical climate. It's really muggy here so it's nice to have shoes that don't make you feet sweat as much. I don't really know what "dress sandals" are, and there's really no reason why we should have to wear belts; maybe they want to make sure no one wears their pants too low.
I definitely agree with good hygiene🙂
 
In order to be a professional you need to look and act professional. No better place to start learning this than Pharmacy School.

Going to Class in your flip-flops and Pajamas isn't cool after your freshman year in the sorority or frat. I fact I don't even think it was cool then....
 
In order to be a professional you need to look and act professional. No better place to start learning this than Pharmacy School.
Yeah... some people haven't even learned how to be professional after all of our "professional meetings". I think there are a lot of students in our program who are too immature to be in a professional program.
This policy has also been instituted, recently: If the applicant goes to the university for pre-pharmacy, then the applicant only has one chance to be accepted without a bachelors degree. It's sort of, do or die.
 
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That code isn't much more strict than college. The only things that I would have to change if I attended your school would be to lose the flip-flops and shorts.

Still, they allow jeans and sleeveless shirts. Plus, they encourage bathing. WTF? What kind of school are you going to that merely "encourages" bathing? 😕 I've had too many experiences sitting next to people who smelled like they resided in a garbage dump.🙂
 
There has been a dress code at my school for several years. I dont have a problem with it at all. Nothing on the "banned" list are things I would wear outside the house anyway. I really dont see whats so difficult about changing out of your PJ's in the morning, especially when you always have jeans and a polo as a no-brainer fallback.
 
Haha. ;-)

Seriously- with all the hand-wringing from people hoping to get accepted and are now lying awake at night worrying about it, what kind of idiot who got accepted to a school they applied to would then complain about the rules of that school?

I WOULD name a few names, but I already have warnings for calling an idiot an idiot (TOS violation for a call-out thread) on these forums. If you PM me, I would be glad to name the idiots in private (not a TOS violation) :laugh:

and yes Ms. large chest incredible booty, it was $2 margarita night. 😱
 
I think something like this should be perfectly appropriate...but no more than that. :meanie:

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i hate dress codes; for me, the very thought violates my own personal ethics. i believe that nothing on my body has anything to do with what is in my head. my dress does not directly correlate with my competance.

i dress very casually for work and have been asked to not wear jeans. i'm just waiting for the day they just say "wear scrubs".

i like to dress nicely b/c i consider myself to have a good sense of style, but whether i wear scrubs, jeans, or dress pants has nothing to do with how good a pharmacist i may be.

i NEVER EVER wear a white coat.

if i applied to a school that had a dress code like the ones mentioned, i would apply elsewhere. it's COLLEGE, for goodness sake....worry a little less about "professionalism" and more on learning the material.
 
Does anyone else have a dress code at their school? They are implementing this August 1st.
Looks about the same as our dress code. We also have to wear our white coat everyday, and a white coat + flip-flops or sweatpants would look dumb. I don't even own flip-flops (I didn't even own any when I lived in the OC) or sweatpants (OC Juicy or otherwise), so it is totally not an issue for me. All that said, the only thing I think that's actually enforced at my school is the "your skirt must be 2 inches longer than your lab coat" rule...I can think of one classmate in particular that's geared at. She used to wear a micro-mini and clunky strappy sandals in the New England winter.
 
i hate dress codes; for me, the very thought violates my own personal ethics. i believe that nothing on my body has anything to do with what is in my head. my dress does not directly correlate with my competance.

i dress very casually for work and have been asked to not wear jeans. i'm just waiting for the day they just say "wear scrubs".

i like to dress nicely b/c i consider myself to have a good sense of style, but whether i wear scrubs, jeans, or dress pants has nothing to do with how good a pharmacist i may be.

i NEVER EVER wear a white coat.

if i applied to a school that had a dress code like the ones mentioned, i would apply elsewhere. it's COLLEGE, for goodness sake....worry a little less about "professionalism" and more on learning the material.


Does that mean you dress like this to work?:meanie:

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What's wrong with looking halfway professional in a professional school? It's not like they are asking for a suit and tie.

To me it's not even so much professionalism, it's about people not knowing what NOT to wear anymore. That's a running joke in Europe - that Americans are overweight and wouldn't know how to dress if good taste smacked them upside the head. I die laughing every time I see a skimpy top not even starting to cover layers of fat around the area where people normally have waist. Yes, not everyone can have a perfect body - but is it really necessary to stick one's imperfections into everyone's faces that way? 🙄
 
What's wrong with looking halfway professional in a professional school? It's not like they are asking for a suit and tie.

To me it's not even so much professionalism, it's about people not knowing what NOT to wear anymore. That's a running joke in Europe - that Americans are overweight and wouldn't know how to dress if good taste smacked them upside the head. I die laughing every time I see a skimpy top not even starting to cover layers of fat around the area where people normally have waist. Yes, not everyone can have a perfect body - but is it really necessary to stick one's imperfections into everyone's faces that way? 🙄

hence if you have the perfect body...then flaunt it!!! 👍
 
hence if you have the perfect body...then flaunt it!!! 👍

Who said I don't? Tight-fitting suits, silk stockings and stilettoes 'R us. 😀 Of course, I sit barefoot at my cube so my feet don't kill me during the day, and I wear sandals from the parking lot to the cube so I don't kill the shoes. 😀
 
:laugh::laugh::laugh: I never even caught the insinuation in that until just now. The mommy of that kid in the picture with her should ask that it be removed! Inappropriate! 🙄

I bet you she blushed 😉



or was it incredible chest large booty?...I forgot

either way, inappropriate indeed. I will lash myself. (but hitting on the admin is much more fun!)
 
Does anyone else have a dress code at their school? They are implementing this August 1st.
.1...Casual/Daily Dress Standards.
.a...Clean, casual styled clothing and shoes such as:.
·.Jeans of appropriate waist height; clothing of jean material and athletic shoes are acceptable..
·.Shirts with a tail or a split should be tucked in.
·.Belts should be worn with all pants that have belt loops.
·.An undershirt should be worn if undergarments are visible through clothing.
·.Skirts longer than two inches above the knee when sitting.
·.Sleeveless shirts.
·.Organization-branded approved T-shirts or jerseys.
·.Dress Capri pants.
·.Dress sandals.
·.Daily bathing and the use of deodorant are encouraged..

.b...Items specifically NOT permitted include:.
·.Hats, caps or head scarves worn indoors (except head scarves for religious/cultural purposes).
·.Shorts, skorts or mini-skirts.
·.Skirts shorter than two inches above the knee when sitting.
·.Party or Event T-shirts or T-shirts or sweatshirts with inappropriate or vulgar lettering or messages.
·.Frayed, torn, or dirt-washed jeans.
·.Sweatpants, spandex or exercise attire .
·.“Flip-Flops” .
·.Pajamas.
·.Spaghetti straps, halter tops, tube tops, low cut tops or tops showing the mid-drift.
There is also a dress code for days which require professional dress, but I don't think its nearly as controversial.

I dont see anything wrong with this dress code. The school I went to didn't have a dress code but we all dressed appropriately. On lab days or on rotations we wore shirt and tie for men. Looks ok to me and nothing seems unreasonable.
 
ahhh! Two fer the price of one...arggggg matey!
 
What's wrong with looking halfway professional in a professional school? It's not like they are asking for a suit and tie.

To me it's not even so much professionalism, it's about people not knowing what NOT to wear anymore. That's a running joke in Europe - that Americans are overweight and wouldn't know how to dress if good taste smacked them upside the head. I die laughing every time I see a skimpy top not even starting to cover layers of fat around the area where people normally have waist. Yes, not everyone can have a perfect body - but is it really necessary to stick one's imperfections into everyone's faces that way? 🙄

If they want to, then yes it is. I wish they wouldn't though.
 
Easy solution: Threadless t shirt and scrubs! They both aren't explicitly prohibited...and I think I look hot in them at work...

On a serious note though, do you go to a 4 year or a 6 year PharmD school? I go to a 6 year school and the chances of that flying (even if they just started it in the professional years) wouldn't be too good. On one hand, I'd enjoy it because all of the abercrombie/american eagle/crap clothes would be banned, but on the other hand then they'd just show up wearing the equally crappy generic frat dude lacoste shirts. For the women I guess I wouldn't mind too much, since ladies actually dressed nicely in buttoned dress shirts has the hot young professional look going on, and the eye candy factor would totally still be there.

Also, to whoever goes to Auburn...is your pharm school integrated with a med school, or adjacent to/in a hospital or something? That seems a little excessive and more like a workplace dress code...if theyre going to ban cargo pants and sneakers, they might as well make everyone wear a shirt and tie everyday.
 
hey what's wrong with lacoste shirts? =( i like them

and american eagle clothes are cheap...i browse the discount racks in the back! that's the real trick.

it's that trashy abercrombie and fitch "i'm paying $70 for a shirt that looks like it got run over by an 18-wheeler and ravaged by a cat on steroids" look that annoys me. At least the lacoste shirts look somewhat classy.
 
we had to "dress up" for lab. it was completely absurd. i used to wear the most un-jeans-like pair of pants i owned and, since the dreaded white coat was forced onto my shoulders, whatever shirt i wanted....i would just button up the coat to hide the shirt.

these schools are wasting their time. why breed even more complacency into a profession that is teeming with people who are just desperate to be told what to do at every twist and turn? pharmacists, by nature, tend to be very rule-following, non-assertive people. now, we're going to produce pharmacists that need advice on what to wear, too? no, thank you!
 
no hats?

that reminds me of highschool.
 
I was totally suprised to hear about some schools dress codes..Before anyone curses me out (which is kinda annoying bc this a forum for ppl to air thier opionion, you should not have to worry about being verbally attacked afterwards) Back to my point...I agree with some of the things on the dress codes listed above,but some of them i was suprised to hear. I work at Case Western reserve school of medicine, which one of the top med schools, and everyone wears want unless they are seeing patients then thats totally different.

You dont expect to see ppl in provocative clothing, too tight clothing, ect and Its expected that you will maintain good hygiene.

I often see med students in jogging pants and flip flops. I have a pair today bc i work in a lab so we dress really casually.. I do not have a problem with dressing appropriately, like when your doing clinical work and are exposed to patients but when you have biochem from 8-12am Monday thru friday,is it really necessary to be dressed in business casual??

Maybe so, I am new to professional school, I start this fall. Maybe this is how most schools are and Iam late. I will look into seeing if my school has a dress code or not. Either way Iam flexible, but I was suprised thats all.
 
"Undergraduate students tend to perceive graduate teaching assistants as having greater expertise if the teaching assistants dress professionally than if they dress casually. However, the same study showed that the undergraduate students perceived casually dressed teaching assistants as more extroverted and sociable than those dressed formally" (Morris, Gorham, Cohen, & Huffman, 1996).

Just a random quote from what I'm reading...extend that to patient care (maybe)?

I just think it's funny the school has to remind students to bathe. I guess a lot of us picked up bad habits as undergrads, like sleeping in hallways/labs/libraries and not bathing. Haha...I don't mind the business casual part IF you're seeing patients/other professionals. But if you're sitting in class and working in a lab...it's kind of annoying.
 
i hate dress codes; for me, the very thought violates my own personal ethics. i believe that nothing on my body has anything to do with what is in my head. my dress does not directly correlate with my competance.

i dress very casually for work and have been asked to not wear jeans. i'm just waiting for the day they just say "wear scrubs".

i like to dress nicely b/c i consider myself to have a good sense of style, but whether i wear scrubs, jeans, or dress pants has nothing to do with how good a pharmacist i may be.

i NEVER EVER wear a white coat.

if i applied to a school that had a dress code like the ones mentioned, i would apply elsewhere. it's COLLEGE, for goodness sake....worry a little less about "professionalism" and more on learning the material.

I agree that one's style of clothing does not necessarily correlate with your prestige and professionalism. I guess we just have to live with this because certain people in society do base other's worth based on their external appearance. Granted, I think there are extremes (like the tube tops + microskirts) that warrants some curtailing, but I have also met many jackasses who wore "professional attire" in professional settings too.
 
i've read a few studies about MD attire; just b/c i like to prove my point to my peers....and the attire that most evoked professionalism to patients who rated that particular quality in their doctor was scrubs.
patients felt that casual was, well, too casual...and the shirt and tie and white coat too intimidating.
i guess scrubs really "look the part"
also for those working with direct patient contact, ties have come under some scrutiny as being germ-factories! some burn units and ICUs have outlawed them.
 
also for those working with direct patient contact, ties have come under some scrutiny as being germ-factories! some burn units and ICUs have outlawed them.


reminds me of that episode of House M.D. when Cuddy snipped the med student's tie with scissors after being rebuked once before. Tie clip people!!
 
Dressing like Cuddy is good mmmmkay!
 
You know what is really annoying? People with thin skin that can't take a strong opposing opinion and then cry about it non-stop.


What many people forget is this; students don't have rights. They follow rules set forth by the school and if they don't adhere to the rules, they will be punished.

Hey, I only cried about it once and it was for like 10 seconds.😉:laugh:
 
we had to "dress up" for lab. it was completely absurd. i used to wear the most un-jeans-like pair of pants i owned and, since the dreaded white coat was forced onto my shoulders, whatever shirt i wanted....i would just button up the coat to hide the shirt.

these schools are wasting their time. why breed even more complacency into a profession that is teeming with people who are just desperate to be told what to do at every twist and turn? pharmacists, by nature, tend to be very rule-following, non-assertive people. now, we're going to produce pharmacists that need advice on what to wear, too? no, thank you!

Ive been told by staff and others that I very bold. I am blunt and never beat around the bush. Its just a waste of my damn time to be non-assertive and to try to be "nice" when telling staff what I need done. I am bold but professional about it😉
 
Looks about the same as our dress code. We also have to wear our white coat everyday, and a white coat + flip-flops or sweatpants would look dumb. I don't even own flip-flops (I didn't even own any when I lived in the OC) or sweatpants (OC Juicy or otherwise), so it is totally not an issue for me. All that said, the only thing I think that's actually enforced at my school is the "your skirt must be 2 inches longer than your lab coat" rule...I can think of one classmate in particular that's geared at. She used to wear a micro-mini and clunky strappy sandals in the New England winter.

actually, a pair of black sweatpants and a white coat go fine together on a nice Sunday afternoon in the pharmacy.....

and 2 inchs! jesus, sounds like highschool. I haven't even seen a ruler since those days. Do they whip it out and press it against the exposed flesh?
 
In order to be a professional you need to look and act professional.

no, you only need to ACT professional. class is class, it's not rounds.

what purpose does wearing a white coat to class [not lab...different, it covers your clothes there] serve other than making you look like you're pretending to be something you're not [esp the first year students].

i solved my fair share of disasters the past two nights, including a potentially paper-trail worthy chemo problem while wearing a polo shirt and a pair of madras capris....what should i have said, "no, wait, hang on....i know you're 2 hours behind on a chemo-infusion that's only stable for 8 hours, let me go put on a dress and a white coat?"


oh, and a note on miniskirts....we have a nurse manager who does the mini under the mid-calf white coat thing....just, ew! if you insist on wearing the d**m white coat, make sure it looks like you have something covering your bottom half!....besides the coat!
 
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