Dropping on Step 2CK

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I'm a DO student applying acgme. Step 1 I was high 250s, but on step 2 I dropped to low 240s. My comlex level 1-2 were about the same. I was wondering if I should re release my usmle transcript to include step 2, I feel like a big drop in my step scores looks awful! Thanks
 
I'd rerelease the COMLEX and leave the USMLE alone. There's no way it would help you, and while I doubt it would hurt, why risk it?

(OTOH, if it was your only Step 2, I'd say release the USMLE to show that you've passed Step 2, which some programs require for ranking. But you can release the COMLEX for that).
 
I'm a DO student applying acgme. Step 1 I was high 250s, but on step 2 I dropped to low 240s. My comlex level 1-2 were about the same. I was wondering if I should re release my usmle transcript to include step 2, I feel like a big drop in my step scores looks awful! Thanks

I would NOT rerelease your score. That drop on Step 2 is pretty significant. While it might not hurt at every institute, it will look bad to some. Your step 2 CK score will surely not help you at some institutes that put heavy weight on Step 2 CK.
 
I'm a DO student applying acgme. Step 1 I was high 250s, but on step 2 I dropped to low 240s. My comlex level 1-2 were about the same. I was wondering if I should re release my usmle transcript to include step 2, I feel like a big drop in my step scores looks awful! Thanks
My advise is this. You dropped from exceptional step 1 to an above average step 2. No allopathic MD residency really cares about a complex score. I personally think a 240 on step 2 isn't the end of the world (FYI most PD think they are roughly equivalent scores to Step 1, heard people comment on my increase in Step 2 as "impressive" but if you looked at it I was in the same range as my Step 1).

The biggest limitation you will face is bias for being a DO student, not an above average Step 2 score. Some programs are just not into accepting DO students. If your class rank is good then you'll be fine.
 
My advise is this. You dropped from exceptional step 1 to an above average step 2. No allopathic MD residency really cares about a complex score. I personally think a 240 on step 2 isn't the end of the world (FYI most PD think they are roughly equivalent scores to Step 1, heard people comment on my increase in Step 2 as "impressive" but if you looked at it I was in the same range as my Step 1).

The biggest limitation you will face is bias for being a DO student, not an above average Step 2 score. Some programs are just not into accepting DO students. If your class rank is good then you'll be fine.
I don't know about about the PDs you talked to, but you have to understand that your numbers are out of date: The 2014 average for US/Canadian graduates taking Step 2 was 240, compared to a 2013 average for Step 1 of 228. The standard deviations are different (18 and 21 respectively) so comparisons get kinda sketchy, but it still means that the mean individual went up 12 points from Step 1 to Step 2. Relative to the MD grads that are his competition, the OP went from ~1.5 SD above the mean to dead average. Now an average score isn't bad... but it probably won't do him any favors.

He is also in the position where releasing the USMLE Step 2 almost certainly isn't required for him for any programs, because he has a COMLEX Step 2 to prove that he passed Step 2 and can get licensed when the time comes... I'd stand by my advice above to not release the USMLE score.
 
I misspoke, I'd say most people over the age of 45 who interview you. The bump to an average of 240 is pretty recent (last 10-15 years). I have heard that the reason why scores in all steps increased so much yearly is thy essentially we all use the same prep material for the test and the way test questions are kept is dependent on how often candidates get the question right (say they throw out questions where people get it right 20% or less and when everyone gets it correct at 80% or more). So in short, a 240 in 2005 is the same exact performance as a 240 in 2015, however, test prep is that much better and people know what little facts to memorize for the test. As more people utilize the same test prep material, the score rises. Why 95% of Step 1 is first aid, it's because no one knows anymore random knowledge except what's in that book and/or pathoma (at least when I took it).

Anyhow, most PD are not going to reject him for an above average step score (guessing low 240s means greater than 240). It is going to be his away rotation and clinical grades/rank/other things brought to the table. Step 2, regardless if he releases it now, might be used to rank him against other similar applicants once he does interview. The reason why it's usually not a screening factor is not everyone takes it, even if it is a better predictor of medical knowledge for IM.
 
Definitely appreciate everyone's in depth feedback, I think I will probably hold off for now then. Thanks
 
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