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For those of you practicing EM, what is your policy toward patients who come to the ER seeking drugs? Personally I'm very annoyed by this trend and would never give any kind of addictive drug to a patient under anything less than rock solid circumstances.
 
For those of you practicing EM, what is your policy toward patients who come to the ER seeking drugs? Personally I'm very annoyed by this trend and would never give any kind of addictive drug to a patient under anything less than rock solid circumstances.

It's a matter of semantics. All patients come to the ED seeking drugs, and some people can "seem shady," about it. This in and of itself should not get you denied pain relief. The old "I'd rather treat 100 druggies than deny someone in real pain."

However, we often have the technology and access to information, should we chose to exercise our conscience, to note people who come to multiple EDs/providers, sell narcotics, go to multiple pharmacies (do you really need to go to 20 pharmacies?) and most importantly, lie about their drug use. These peole, in my opinion, need to be stopped. It's not an ego thing, it's not a "game" to win, but you need to be able to say "no."

People will also talk about "pseudoaddiction," I don't completely buy into this explanation.

If you've ever seen had a colleague addicted to the perco-snacks or dealt with a teenager snorting oxycontin, then I think you'd agree we have a problem.

Another thing: I agree everyone perceives and deals with pain differently, but common sense needs to prevail. IMO, you do not need percocet for a toothach, unless I've put a blade in your gum. Dentists don't give these narcotics, and they've been doing fine for years. If you truly believe the maximum pain relief theory, are you going to admit that patient on a dilaudid PCA for intractable toothache?

mike
 
Although I find drug seekers annoying, I am choosing to become a physician, not a law enforcement officer, or drug rehab counselor. My philosophy -

I would rather give 99 drug seekers pain meds in order to treat 1 person in real pain than smugly sit around knowing I denied 100 people I thought to be drug seekers meds when in reality one of them was in agony.

Of course there is a common sense component to this - if somebody comes in every shift having lost their prescription, that is one thing - but in the absence of rock-hard evidence that they are a seeker, I will err on the side of handing out the drugs.
 
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For those of you practicing EM, what is your policy toward patients who come to the ER seeking drugs? Personally I'm very annoyed by this trend and would never give any kind of addictive drug to a patient under anything less than rock solid circumstances.

From what I've seen, giving drug seekers narcotics is sort of like giving steak to a stray rabid dog. Nothing good can come of it. The ER is not the proper forum for chronic pain patients, neurology is. That attitude, if enforced at the end of a large bore needle dispensing toradol, will make all our lives better.
 
From what I've seen, giving drug seekers narcotics is sort of like giving steak to a stray rabid dog. Nothing good can come of it. The ER is not the proper forum for chronic pain patients, neurology is. That attitude, if enforced at the end of a large bore needle dispensing toradol, will make all our lives better.

I agree completely. If you encourage them to return again and again, it will multiply the problem, as they're like Sand People: "They'll soon return, and in greater numbers"
 
I think esp. with SCCers, I'll just give em whatever they ask for, even if it's ridiculous dosing. I've had IM patients who come in and look like the most obvious drug seeker with addict-type behavior (doesn't even notice the 25% drop in opiates until someone slips and tells her 2 days later). One of the most unpleasant addict patients I've met. Then when we just drop the pain meds too steeply a day later because we think the minor pain crisis has passed, we get totally burned. The minor crisis goes into a major one, and now she's in horrific withdrawal pain on top of it.

Different setting than the ED, and not dealing with d/c Rx's for opiates, but still the same concept. Even addicts have pain, and they gotta deal with opiate withdrawal pain on top of it.

Besides that, there was a study which I gotta check up on again, since it was a few years old, about early pain meds reducing severity of crises.

Every other instance I'd take with a case-by-case basis and probably listen to my attending.
 
South Med J. 2006 Nov;99(11):1245-55. Links
Opioids for chronic nonterminal pain.Ballantyne JC.
Division of Pain Medicine, Massachusetts General Hospital, Department of Anesthesia and Critical Care, Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA 02114, USA. [email protected]

This article first reviews the evidence for and against chronic opioid therapy. Evidence supporting the opioid responsiveness of chronic pain, including neuropathic pain, includes multiple randomized trials conducted over months (up to 8 months). Observational studies are conducted for longer, and many also support opioid analgesic efficacy. Concerns have arisen about loss of efficacy with prolonged use, possibly related to tolerance or opioid-induced hyperalgesia. Mechanisms of tolerance and opioid-induced hyperalgesia are explored. Evidence on other important outcomes such as improvement in function and quality of life is mixed, and is less convincing than evidence supporting analgesic efficacy. It is clear from current evidence that many patients abandon chronic opioid therapy because of the unacceptability of side effects. There are also concerns about toxicity, especially when opioids are used in high doses for prolonged periods, related to hormonal and immune function. The issue of addiction during opioid treatment of chronic pain is also explored. Addiction issues present many complex questions that have not been satisfactorily answered. Opioid treatment of pain has been, and remains, severely hampered because of actual and legal constraints related to addiction risk. Pain advocacy has focused on placing addiction risk into context so that addiction fears do not compromise effective treatment of pain. On the other hand, denying addiction risk during opioid treatment of chronic pain has not been helpful in terms of providing physicians with the tools needed for safe chronic opioid therapy. Here, a structured goal-directed approach to chronic opioid treatment is suggested; this aims to select and monitor patients carefully, and wean therapy if treatment goals are not reached. Chronic opioid therapy for pain has not been a universal success since it was re-established during the last two decades of the twentieth century. It is now realized that the therapy is not as effective or as free from addiction risk as was once thought. Knowing this, many ethical dilemmas arise, especially in relation to patients' right to treatment competing with physicians' need to offer the treatment selectively. In the future, we must learn how to select patients for this therapy who are likely to achieve improvement in pain, function and quality of life without interference from addiction. Efforts will also be made in the laboratory to identify opioids with lower abuse potential.


Best Pract Res Clin Anaesthesiol. 2007 Mar;21(1):65-83.Links
The impact of opioid-induced hyperalgesia for postoperative pain.Koppert W, Schmelz M.
Klinik für Anästhesiologie, Universitätsklinikum Erlangen, Krankenhousstrasse 12, D-91054 Erlongen, Germany. [email protected]

Clinical evidence suggests that--besides their well known analgesic activity - opioids can increase rather than decrease sensitivity to noxious stimuli. Based on the observation that opioids can activate pain inhibitory and pain facilitatory systems, this pain hypersensitivity has been attributed to a relative predominance of pronociceptive mechanisms. Acute receptor desensitization via uncoupling of the receptor from G-proteins, upregulation of the cAMP pathway, activation of the N-methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA)-receptor system, as well as descending facilitation, have been proposed as potential mechanisms underlying opioid-induced hyperalgesia. Numerous reports exist demonstrating that opioid-induced hyperalgesia is observed both in animal and human experimental models. Brief exposures to micro-receptor agonists induce long-lasting hyperalgesic effects for days in rodents, and also in humans large-doses of intraoperative micro-receptor agonists were found to increase postoperative pain and morphine consumption. Furthermore, the prolonged use of opioids in patients is often associated with a requirement for increasing doses and the development of abnormal pain. Successful strategies that may decrease or prevent opioid-induced hyperalgesia include the concomitant administration of drugs like NMDA-antagonists, alpha2-agonists, or non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), opioid rotation or combinations of opioids with different receptor/selectivity.



The above are a couple of abstracts from pubmed. I copied and pasted them because I think that it is an important concept for patients to learn, that opiates can actually predispose you to more pain. There is a time for treating acute pain, like sickle cell disease, or kidney stone, and there is a time to be more conservative (chronic back pain).

A lot of the time, we get people with chronic pain who come to the ED seeking narcotics. They come for various claims, "My dog ate my prescription. My fibromyalgia is worse and I need IV demerol. I didn't keep my appointment with my PCP and now they won't see my in clinic for another 2 weeks and told me that if it was that bad, to come to the ED." If it is for chronic pain, that is being treated by a PCP, I try to find out where they messed up and make sure that they understand that chronic pain is best treated by one practitioner in one office and that repeated trips to the ED is not the ideal way to deal with chronic pain, and (if I've found inconsistencies in their story and they have numerous ED visits for similar complaints) that their behavior smacks of addiction and drug seeking. I emphasize the hyperalgesic effects of narcotics and try to get them to see that narcotics aren't the best answer for chronic pain.

I always try to give them the benefit of the doubt. If in my heart I think they are bogus and are seeking a high, I avoid giving them IV narcotics by telling them that the oral route is just as effective, will last longer, and will be less likely to be habit forming. (I don't know that this is true, but it sounds good to me).

If they have an acute complaint that sounds kind of bogus, I tell them that I think that OTC ibuprofen and tylenol seems like the best route to go with to me. If they beg, I usually cave and give them like 8 vicodin. If they want to waste 2-8 hours scoring a measly handful of vicodin, then they are stupid.

If they have what seems to be legitimate pain, I err on the side of compassion and give them 12-30 vicodin or percocet depending on the complaint and how long I think it will last.
 
If they are a chronic painer, they should have a pain specialist. I always tell them "The pain doctors don't like me to interfere with your regimen, I'm going to contact them".

Usually when I call their pain specialist they will agree to see them the next day or so, which allows me to get them out of the ED quickly and with minimum narcs possible.
 
I don't take a hard line with the patient unless I'm pretty sure they are lying to me or abusing the system. Many people do have chronic pain and, at least around here, getting into see a physician, especially a pain management doc can be a Herculean task.

When taken from that perspective it suddenly becomes obvious how a person can rack up 10, 3 day opiate prescriptions, from different providers, in fairly short order.

That doesn't mean that I write everybody a month's worth of Oxycontin with a few refills tell them to see their doctor, but neither do I build a wall.

I give patients a chance to tell me about their opiate use, their doctors, their pain management strategies, etc. Between our hospital's EMR and the state's automated prescription registry the discrepancies become obvious and I can act accordingly.

Case in point, I had a homeless guy last week who gave me crazy story about "some dude" who gave him a ride and then stole his methadone. Everything he told me checked out, including the story about his doctor retiring and his new doctor not having available appointments until this week.

The guy carries a diagnosis. He claims pain. I can't show that he is abusing the system and if he lied to me about his opiate use it was very subtle. He told me he was going to call his new doctor the following morning and try to get in early. So, I wrote him two days worth of his methadone (enough to cover his pain but unlikely to kill him if he took it all).

Maybe the dude gamed me out of 6 tabs of methadone. If so, fine. If he keeps it up system will catch up with him. I don't want to play drug dealer, but then again, I don't want to deny someone who actually has a painful condition. I try to play the middle ground and let the patient hang themselves.
 
Part of the problem is doctors prescribing narcotics for chronic back pain, fibromyalgia, and "todo me duele" (TMD). There are other proven meds to treat pain, but it seems like many physicians (including my EM colleagues) jump right to narcs.
 
Part of the problem is doctors prescribing narcotics for chronic back pain, fibromyalgia, and "todo me duele" (TMD). There are other proven meds to treat pain, but it seems like many physicians (including my EM colleagues) jump right to narcs.

Certainly true. NSAIDs, plus ice, plus back exercises and then maybe a couple opiates for the first day or two. Chronically? Bad idea.
 
Certainly true. NSAIDs, plus ice, plus back exercises and then maybe a couple opiates for the first day or two. Chronically? Bad idea.

I have no problem giving opiates to someone with an acute injury, but I have a big problem managing chronic pain in this manner.

The only patients I will give unlimited narcs to are terminally ill cancer patients. They're the only people I will give Demerol to.