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DUIs?
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it's tempting, but don't lie. if they ever find out you will be fired and oops, there's your career swirling slowly down the drain. maybe crna school? just kidding.
what did you do for med school? leave it out and hope for the best?
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yes, maybe, no. Hire a lawyer, get the offenses expunged, then move on with your life as if it never happened. It's gonna be pricey, but 4k is a lot less expensive than your other options (in the long run). The nice thing about expunging a record is that they are completely removed from your file, and no records will exist of the offenses. That way you won't be lying when you say that you have no record of any misdemeanors.
Hire a lawyer, get the offenses expunged, then move on with your life as if it never happened. The nice thing about expunging a record is that they are completely removed from your file, and no records will exist of the offenses. That way you won't be lying when you say that you have no record of any misdemeanors.
This is NOT true!! When you "expunge" a record it does not go away. Only your culpability does. However, most background checks will check for arrests, convictions, expunged records, the whole burrito. In today's electronic age, there is absolutely no way to make an arrest disappear.
On most background checks it will ask if you have ever been arrested, convicted, or charged with any offenses regardless of conviction or expunged records. Getting it expunged will not keep you from having to report these offenses, and if you leave them off they will still find them and perhaps fire you.
Best bet, just report them if they ask. Unfortunately consequences of stupid decisions can be a real bitch. You're lucky you didn't kill anybody.
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The medial boards are run by cold hearted faceless autocrats looking for the smallest reason to deny your right to practice medicine.
I would defiantly work on getting your DUI records expunged but even after that the DUIs will probably cause you to loose jobs and licenses. Even after you have your record expunged, I doubt you can deny ever having a DUI on any application without risking getting in serious trouble with the Sate Medical board.
The computer has destroyed societies ability to forget.
How "private" sins can alert a state board
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As is customary in California whenever there's a criminal case involving a physician, the court clerk sent a report of Griffiths' conviction to the Medical Board of California. Based on that report, the board filed a complaint against him. According to state law, any physician convicted more than once for offenses involving alcohol is guilty of "unprofessional conduct," and subject to disciplinary action.
At a hearing before an administrative law judge, Griffiths testified that he had never treated patients while under the influence of alcohol or drugs, and no evidence was presented that he'd ever done so. The judge found "no inherent nexus . . . between driving under the influence and the practice of medicine," and concluded that Griffiths' convictions did not warrant disciplinary action.
The Medical Board rejected the judge's recommendation. It concluded that the law did not require evidence that Griffiths had actually practiced medicine while impaired, and that his three convictions by themselves constituted unprofessional conduct.
The board revoked Griffiths' medical license, but stayed that action pending a three-year probation requiring him to perform 60 hours of community service and to undergo psychiatric and medical evaluation to determine whether he should be referred to the state's diversion program for impaired physicians.
Griffiths petitioned a state court to overturn the board's action, claiming it violated due process by failing to establish a relationship between his convictions and his duties as a physician. The trial court denied his petition, and the case went to the state appellate court.
Last February, a three-judge appellate panel upheld the medical board's disciplinary action, finding that repeated convictions involving alcohol "do have a logical connection to a physician's fitness to practice medicine," since they "reflect a lack of sound professional and personal judgment." Noting that Griffiths' second and third convictions violated the terms of his prior probation, the court held that "such repeated conduct by a physician, and particularly its propensity to endanger members of the public, tends to undermine public confidence in and respect for the medical profession."
According to the appellate decision, the medical board's disciplinary actions "are not intended to punish the licensee, but rather to protect the public." The court rejected Griffiths' defense that his behavior had not endangered his patients. "If accepted," the judges ruled, "this argument . . . would prohibit the imposition of discipline on a licensee until harm to patients had already occurred. We reject this argument because it overlooks the preventative functions of license discipline, whose main purpose is protection of the public. . . . It is not necessary to wait until a member of the public is harmed to take steps to prevent such harm from occurring."
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Agree w/this. Your best bet is to report EVERYTHING, no matter if it has been expunged, sealed, whatever. It will save from worrying about it.
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Agree. It will show up again. If you have been honest, they have nothing else on you and you can chalk it up to stupidity of youth. If you are deceitful, you are at a huge risk with your license. If you falsify your documents with the NRMP and the institution you match with turns up something more in your background check(yes, they do background checks), their commitment to you in the match is null and void. Just be honest.
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i had a DUI from April 2003 and made sure i referenced it in all of my applications to everywhere. I put it in my med school app for 2007 at Ohio State and in my applications to work as a nurse at the OSU SICU as well as my application for work at a plasma donation center just north of campus.
I currently have both of those jobs....and although i didn't get into medical school, i did schedule a post rejection interview with one of the committee members and when i asked about the DUI affecting my application, she said that "although it certainly did not help it, the DUI was not even close to a deciding factor." I scored a fabulous 25 %'ile in VR. I used to joke to my now ex-girlfriend that i couldn't read. Anyhow, point is that i decided to disclose my DUI from then on. Veracity, my friend, is just so much easier.
I currently have both of those jobs....and although i didn't get into medical school, i did schedule a post rejection interview with one of the committee members and when i asked about the DUI affecting my application, she said that "although it certainly did not help it, the DUI was not even close to a deciding factor." I scored a fabulous 25 %'ile in VR. I used to joke to my now ex-girlfriend that i couldn't read. Anyhow, point is that i decided to disclose my DUI from then on. Veracity, my friend, is just so much easier.
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If are applyin through ERAS is have you ever been convicted of a felony is the question? If they are misdeamnors then say no and move on.
If its a felony then you have to ask yourself what you want to do but with two dui's its going to be tough to be forgiven. In todays day and age everyone knows someone thats either lost someone to an DUI accident or heard of someone elses story.
If its a felony then you have to ask yourself what you want to do but with two dui's its going to be tough to be forgiven. In todays day and age everyone knows someone thats either lost someone to an DUI accident or heard of someone elses story.
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I don't mean to sound like a jerk but, anesthesia already has the highest rate of addiction in medicine. I would bet that many programs would be leary of having a resident that has shown some poor judgement with the use of substances. I'm not saying that you have an alcohol problem but, getting two DUIs might cause some concern.
Best of luck.
Best of luck.
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yes, maybe, no. Hire a lawyer, get the offenses expunged, then move on with your life as if it never happened. It's gonna be pricey, but 4k is a lot less expensive than your other options (in the long run). The nice thing about expunging a record is that they are completely removed from your file, and no records will exist of the offenses. That way you won't be lying when you say that you have no record of any misdemeanors.
how do you get something expunged.
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I would not go out of my way to mention it to the anesthesia program.. do anything you can to avoid telling them.. It may pose a problem with licensure... when you apply i bet most states will ask you to come in for a personal interview.. i was dating a girl who got a ticket for driving with a suspended license and had to come in for personal appearance in california.. so thats where your hassle is gonna be.. not really with the anesthesia program.. Furthermore, all hospitals verify you prior to allowing you to work there. its called credentialing.. and they go through your record like a fine tooth comb.. they triple check you.. so.. it may be an issue there.. I dont think you wont be able to practice but just be ready to do some splainin.. I dont wanna discourage you but just tell the facts.. tell them you went to rehab classes and you are a better man for it.. that should suffice..
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Expunged or not, you will most likely have to disclose the crimes to any state medical board and on any application for priviliges. As long as the DUIs didn't happen "recently" (defined as within three to five years prior to application), it shouldn't be an issue. Same thing goes for minor misdemeanors. You're in far more trouble if you're found that you lied on your application in order to hide your past, because that speaks more about your character now than previous mistakes.
However, any felonies regarding drugs, weapons, personal injury, or crimes of "moral turpitude" will pretty much end your hopes of a professional career that requires state licensing unless they happened years and years ago.
However, any felonies regarding drugs, weapons, personal injury, or crimes of "moral turpitude" will pretty much end your hopes of a professional career that requires state licensing unless they happened years and years ago.
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Your friendly gestapo licensing medical board would have a field day with you if you were already out of residency, makin' coin and got a DUI or other petty crime. Fines, community service and other silly BS things like an alcohol rehab program once a week that you have to pay for. If ever stopped again, never blow and always refuse the field sobriety tests. Calmly place your hands behind your back, keep your mouth shut and get arrested for whatever they charge ya with. Nowadays, a DUI will provide you with many years of grief and serious loss of coin-- it was designed that way by your government. Regards, -----Zip
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And the penalties are not nearly as harsh as they should be. In America, the best way to kill someone and get away with it is to kill someone with a DUI.
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LOL in new york i think they confiscate your car and never give it back to you.. I think the leasing companies got a little bit ticked off when joe the drunk called and said guess what.. you want your monthly payment. not to mention your car.. call the state police.. they have it and wont give it back to me
