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umm.. i didn't think Duke was rolling, as per their website, interview day, etc.. however a girl in my lab said her friend interviewed there and hadn't heard anything so she called the admissions office and they told her she had been rejected..what do we think about the truth of this statement? and isn't duke non-rolling??

~L
 
So let's just make this a Duke thread, as i don't think there is one..what are folks' general impressions? many folks are hating on Durham, but it's sooo cheap to live there...i wasn't intimidated by the 12month pre-clinical year either.. in fact, i rather liked duke.. anyone else? also interested in hearing from the naysayers...🙂

~L
 
LRmed2003 said:
umm.. i didn't think Duke was rolling, as per their website, interview day, etc.. however a girl in my lab said her friend interviewed there and hadn't heard anything so she called the admissions office and they told her she had been rejected..what do we think about the truth of this statement? and isn't duke non-rolling??

~L

Was this MSTP or regular admissions?
 
LRmed2003 said:
umm.. i didn't think Duke was rolling, as per their website, interview day, etc.. however a girl in my lab said her friend interviewed there and hadn't heard anything so she called the admissions office and they told her she had been rejected..what do we think about the truth of this statement? and isn't duke non-rolling??

~L

hmmm... i interviewed at Duke, and I was told I would not hear anything until March. Are you sure your friend's friend interviewed at Duke? Cause maybe she was rejected post-secondary.... I think she's mixed up her info... but I could be wrong. Gosh, i feel like i should call Duke right now and double check.
 
LRmed2003 said:
So let's just make this a Duke thread, as i don't think there is one..what are folks' general impressions? many folks are hating on Durham, but it's sooo cheap to live there...i wasn't intimidated by the 12month pre-clinical year either.. in fact, i rather liked duke.. anyone else? also interested in hearing from the naysayers...🙂

~L

I loved Duke. I like the fact that the area is inexpensive. Why in the world would I want to pay a lot in rent? And I went to school in Baltimore, so campared to Baltimore, Durham is nice.

And like you, I really like the curriculum. I think it's great that we finish all the science courses in a year. I really want to get another degree like an MBA or and MPH or do some infertility research.
 
I loved Duke, but does Duke love me? It was one of the hardest interviews to guage. I think everyone enjoyed their interviews.
 
GuyLaroche said:
I loved Duke, but does Duke love me? It was one of the hardest interviews to guage. I think everyone enjoyed their interviews.

Gosh. We all loved Duke. *sigh* I'm not getting my hopes up though. I think I screwed up my student interview 🙁
 
i was pleasantly surprised by Duke. I loved the students and the curriculum. I also loved the cheap real estate and that my host and other students all lived in apartment complexes with pools and hot tubs. That being said, it is the South and that would be a big adjustment for me. One of my friends who goes there is starting a safe sex program and can't teach it in schools becuase they only have abstinence only programs. Getting used to stuff like that would take some time since I'm from ultra-liberal Cambridge, ma. Also, the city wasn't exactly bustling. I did get to drive through chapel hill though and that looked more interesting.

Oh and Duke's financial aid rocks. I am really hoping to get in.
 
Duke will tell peops on the website and over the phone if they were rejected pre-interview. The only peops that know post-interview their outcome are the early acceptance applicants. For the regular post-interview of us, Duke seems to be very tight-lipped until March. Read some of the "count down to duke 2004" thread and you'll see. So, if this eighth-hand story is true, the girl was either going for early-acceptance or was rejected pre-interview.

-dope-
 
ummm.. so you guys are awesome.. i thought so about that random girl..but i am sooo glad that other folks loved it. 🙂 my beta interview was awesome, and my alpha was pretty cool too.. does anyone know if they count the same or is alpha more important?? a student did my alpha and faculty for beta..but all in all..wow wowo wow.. the laptops..the lecture hall the campus..the students...llet's hear it for MARCH MADNESS!!!!
 
LRmed2003 said:
ummm.. so you guys are awesome.. i thought so about that random girl..but i am sooo glad that other folks loved it. 🙂 my beta interview was awesome, and my alpha was pretty cool too.. does anyone know if they count the same or is alpha more important?? a student did my alpha and faculty for beta..but all in all..wow wowo wow.. the laptops..the lecture hall the campus..the students...llet's hear it for MARCH MADNESS!!!!

now that you mention it, i actually don't count the whole laptop thing as a plus. they aren't really free, just part of your tuition, and the students i talked with all said it would have been cheaper for them to get their own independently. also, you can't customize them to what you'd want. i am planning on getting a laptop for med school but lots of people already have a laptop and now Duke says they need a new one. that seems a little silly to me.
 
hmmm..true true..i guess i was planning to finally get a computer (laptop), and a good one at that no matter where i go..sooo..that will prolly end up being part of my budget..oh well. ..🙂
 
February 28, 2005 - Decision letters mailed to applicants (be certain you have updated your physical and email addresses housed in your Personal Account System - the Personal Account System address is the address we will capture to mail decision letters, NOT the AMCAS address).
 
I interviewed at Duke last fall, and I went there undergrad (and lived in Durham for the next several years, including three when I worked at DUMC). The Triangle is okay, but I don't know, I feel like I played it out already. It's going to feel strange going back if I get in, especially now that I am getting used to Boston. I used to think that I would decline Duke if I also got into a comparable school, but that idea is becoming so remote that I think I'd take Duke in a heart beat. Plus, there's the chance to see my beloved Blue Devils more often. At this point, with Duke such a top-notch institution and me only having four interviews, I think I'd move back home in a New York minute.
 
I loved Duke when I visisted. There curriculuum is great, and I can get a Masters in Public Policy, which is hugely interesting for me. My only worry is that my fiancee will need to be able to find a job in the area as a poli sci/international relations major, and it doesn't seem like the best area for that. We'll see what happens.
 
I want in. I really want in.
 
I always have to laugh when people talk about how rough Durham is. Same thing applies to New Haven - people always talk about how "ghetto" the city is. I have to assume that the people who say these things are sheltered suburb kids, cause I'll tell you what - Durham and New Haven, while not the Hamptons, are far from some of the scarier places you can go to. East LA, Baltimore, inner-city Philly, the Bronx - just a few of the "nicer" areas you can go to medical school 😉
 
CarleneM said:
Getting used to stuff like that would take some time since I'm from ultra-liberal Cambridge, ma. Also, the city wasn't exactly bustling.

Ditto...Duke did a great job with the interview day and selling themselves, but I have this nagging feeling that I would be happier somewhere a bit more urban. I hung out with a friend there, and as we drove around, it just seemed like there were a lot of patches of desolatedness. I'm also interested in the prospect of not having to drive so much--or at all, in some cities--in med school and they made it clear in the finaid (?) presentation that that's not a possibility. But....the school does have mad resources, including the 4 year MD-MPH. Hard to ignore!
 
exactly...so i guess it's that first week in march then...ho hum..february-march will be such a long stretch!!! 😀
 
Well, I loved the school and the area. I'm from a smallish city so that isn't a problem. Being in a big city isn't a big deal for myself. I had one great interview and one that was, ah, "hard to judge" may be a generous description. I don't know, it is certainly my 1st choice and I'll be sure to put that in a thankyou note. Anyone know if they review everyone at the end or does the committee meet during the interview season?
 
heeter said:
Anyone know if they review everyone at the end or does the committee meet during the interview season?

I'll try to answer some of the questions in this thread. First, the alpha and beta interviews both count equally, but of course other things also weigh into the decision. If you bomb the interviews you proably won't get in, but even if you get two outstanding interview scores you still don't necessarily get the nod...it's a very complicated process.

Regarding the laptop program...it's been off and on since I started at Duke...my class wasn't required to get them, then the next class was, and I heard that the program is actually up in the air for next year, so I'm not sure if anyone knows whether or not incoming students will have to buy their own laptops or buy the Duke ones. They were a bit pricey, but realize that the pricing included a bunch of required software as well as on-site amazing tech support, including loaner laptops if yours breaks, etc.

And yes, the admissions committee meets all throughout the interview season, however final decisions are not made until everyone interviews. My understanding is that students are discussed in committee throughout the process and then assigned a score, but the cutoff for admission isn't decided until the very end. So unless you really bomb the interviews and don't even get to the committee, there's no way anyone in the admissions office could even tell you accept vs. rejection until after March 1st or so. But it's been an unbelievably busy season this year, with record numbers of applicants and interviews, so who knows what'll happen...

Hope that helps! 🙂
 
That's great info thanks a bunch! I guess the quantity of applicants and interviewees doesn't bode well for us. Que sera sera.
 
RunMimi said:
Thanks for the help. I interviewed a while back. So does that mean if I send them a file update/letter of interest, it won't matter, because my score is already decided? Thanks again.

Bumpity bump, bump.
 
RunMimi said:
Thanks for the help. I interviewed a while back. So does that mean if I send them a file update/letter of interest, it won't matter, because my score is already decided? Thanks again.

It's interesting you ask this question, because I was wondering that myself the other day. Unfortunately I don't know the answer, but if course I imagine it couldn't hurt to keep things updated. I've found that Duke's process is pretty mysterious compared to that of other schools, particularly with their waitlist and acceptance criteria. Many places tell you straight out where you're ranked on a waitlist, whether the rankings are fixed or mobile, etc., but not Duke! I wish I knew more...
 
Lived in the Triangle for 3 years, and there are many things to like and dislike about it. What I didn't like about it was that it is literally ALL suburban sprawl and it is pitch black at night. It literally IS like living in the country and not a city. So this can be either an advantage or a disadvantage depending on what you are used to and what you want. I moved there from Milwaukee, which isn't the largest metro area (about 2 million people), and it was a HUGE culture shock to me. Not necessarily the culture, but the way people lived in the area. I don't think I've ever been as bored in my entire life. But at the same time, it WAS peaceful, cheap, and I could see raising a family there to be nice. But there is no "city center" sort of speak where the whole metro gets together and meets. No real entertainment outside of a few bars in Chapel Hill, and then if you drive home you will be driving through what feels like the pitch black countryside. And just like the countryside, the roads are unplanned and not on a grid system, so you better have a map handy or NAV on your car.

But the area is cheap, lots of trees and like others have said desolate areas (in that they are totally undeveloped). I don't think the desolateness of the area is an intrinsic advantage or disadvantage, because it depends what you want. Some people love the country, and the Triangle is the ultimate place for people who love the country and want to feel like they live in the woods, but at the same time have the amenities and services of a real metropolitan area. You'll just have to drive to get to those amenities.

As for Duke. I have good things and bad things to say about the place. I went to UNC Chapel Hill and knew some people that went to Duke. I have many Dukies in my med school class too. Duke Medical School is HARD. No bones about it. I knew someone who went to Duke med while I was at undergrad and he was warning me NOT to go to med school "because it sucks." And my buddy was a Ph.D. there and knew some med students, and said he never saw them. So that is the one negative impression I had of Duke, because I can tell you things here at my med school are very different. We have loads of free time.

With that said, it is obviously a wonderful institution, especially for medicine. The hospital is great. The people are friendly which is VERY important and very underrated on these forums, because a friendly populace really makes your life easier and happier. The winters suck--they may be milder (like in the 40's rather than 20's/30's), but it rains rather than snows and it is still cold, the summers are humid and oppressive, but for MOST of the year the weather is great, especially Spring.

The area has everything you need to LIVE and at a very cheap cost. Just don't go there expecting an exciting life or many outlets for entertainment. What you will get if you attend Duke is a nice, quiet, cheap life outside of the business of med school.
 
Hey, thanks for the thoughtful post... Where do you go now? The students I met didn't make a big deal about how hard the place was. One guy said he never goes to class and just watches the lectures on the internets. Maybe they were downplaying their time commitment. I even stated in my interview that I thought the students I met seemed "relaxed."
 
I go to NU. I don't want to seem like I am badmouthing Duke though because I am not. It is a great place. Take my impressions for just that, "one guy's impression that knew a couple Duke med students." I'm sure there are many people there that are very relaxed and having an easy time with school. On the flip side, when you go on these interviews, realize that at ANY school, the people that are stressed out and hating life are certainly not the ones you'll meet on interview day, or who stop by the admissions office... 🙂
 
I have to disagree with much of ctwickman's above post. Having lived in Durham for about 3 years now, I can vouch for the fact that there's TONS to do around here...I'm not sure what justifies the "no entertainment" comment. The triangle area has a great music scene, the restaurants around here rival those of the north, there are mountains a couple hours to the west, beaches a couple hours to the east, great golfing, great shopping, plentiful volunteer opportunities, and the list goes on and on...

While many of the roads ARE dark, it's because instead of street lights we have those reflectors embedded in the roads, so I haven't found the darkness to be a problem. Furthermore, I've been completely amazed at how accessable everything is around here, so again, I can't see how ctwickman's comments are justified. Everywhere I go is easily accessible from a major highway, and construction is now completed on highway 40, the new highway 540 is completed, and the Durham Freeway (route 147) is great! It's totally different from New England, where I swear I spent half of my college career sitting at red lights in Providence.

Of course, since Durham this is NOT a "big city," things are of course much more spread out. A car is necessary, but I see this as a big plus for medical school...I don't ever feel "stuck" anywhere, because I can get in my car and go wherever I want! (and it's so cheap to live here that it's easy to afford it on my student loans)

Having been through the toughest parts of the Duke curriculum, and having talked to many students at other medical schools, I can assure you that Duke is not by any means significantly more difficult than anywhere else!!! Once again, ctwickman's comments are totally out of step with what I've heard from the overwhelming majority of Duke students. To be honest, I'm really sick of hearing this stuff...it seems like every few weeks someone posts about how Duke "squeezes two years into one" and how it "sucks" and is "so much tougher," and it's just NOT TRUE. I had lots of free time during first year, and second year is the same as the third year anywhere else. Our third year is much more relaxing and productive too (I'm getting a master's degree), and fourth year is just like it is anywhere else. But don't just take my word for it...ask other Duke students and they'll tell you the same! And it's not that I'm at the top of my class either...I'm your average Duke Med student, and I've gotten by just fine, with plenty of time to have friends, have a life, and even get a second degree during my 3rd year.

Duke very consistently receives extraordinarily positive feedback from interviewees about how nice, friendly and normal its students are. Having interviewed at a dozen or so schools myself, I found this to be true as well. Granted, it's likely that any "not nice" students wouldn't show up in admissions to say hello, so that's why it's important to talk to lots of students, but most importantly ones who actually go to the school, like me! I can only think of a couple students in my class who perhaps aren't genuinely happy at Duke.

Please take those negative comments about Duke with a grain of salt...they're inconsistent with what the overwhelming majority would tell you.
 
^

You obviously can speak from a more personal experience than me regarding the curriculum. But the area speaks for itself. I never said things aren't accessible, but the simple fact is is that the Triangle is 99% suburban sprawl, and I would think you will find a lot of people that disagree with you that there is "lots" to do around there. But I guess "lots to do" is all relative.

But there was another thread about the Triangle not to far back and we all pretty much were in agreement that the one negative to the area is that there is "nothing to do." I mean, it is the epitome of suburban sprawl. 9 out of 10 restaurants are conglomerate chains, for instance. There are almost no sidewalks on the roads, and even the major freeways do not have street lighting. I mention these things to give people that haven't been there a mental picture. I don't find suburban sprawl to be particularly a negative unless you are young and looking for excitement.

Yes we can drive several hours either direction and be in the mountains or the beach, but that doesn't make the Triangle itself anymore exciting. Anytime somebody tries to convince you a place has lots to do by mentioning what is several hours away, that should be enough of a hint of how exciting the place actually is.

Like I said, the area is cheap, peaceful, full of trees and vegetation, you can have a nice quiet life there, and I can think of few other places that would be better to raise kids later on in life. I have no bias for or against the place and am not trying to get people to move there or get people to move away. I am TOTALLY neutral on the Triangle. To me, it has about 50% negatives and 50% positives. I definetly enjoyed living there, and at the same time I did not hesitate to move out.
 
I lived in Durham for about 3 months and I thought the area was ok. I always had something to do.... But anyway, I'm applying to medical school for the 2007 class. I was wondering if anyone can give me some insight into the DUKE process..... What were your GPA's, MCAT scores, etc.... I've always wanted to attend Duke for medical school. Will my PHD and publications make me a good applicant?



TommyGunn04 said:
I have to disagree with much of ctwickman's above post. Having lived in Durham for about 3 years now, I can vouch for the fact that there's TONS to do around here...I'm not sure what justifies the "no entertainment" comment. The triangle area has a great music scene, the restaurants around here rival those of the north, there are mountains a couple hours to the west, beaches a couple hours to the east, great golfing, great shopping, plentiful volunteer opportunities, and the list goes on and on...

While many of the roads ARE dark, it's because instead of street lights we have those reflectors embedded in the roads, so I haven't found the darkness to be a problem. Furthermore, I've been completely amazed at how accessable everything is around here, so again, I can't see how ctwickman's comments are justified. Everywhere I go is easily accessible from a major highway, and construction is now completed on highway 40, the new highway 540 is completed, and the Durham Freeway (route 147) is great! It's totally different from New England, where I swear I spent half of my college career sitting at red lights in Providence.

Of course, since Durham this is NOT a "big city," things are of course much more spread out. A car is necessary, but I see this as a big plus for medical school...I don't ever feel "stuck" anywhere, because I can get in my car and go wherever I want! (and it's so cheap to live here that it's easy to afford it on my student loans)

Having been through the toughest parts of the Duke curriculum, and having talked to many students at other medical schools, I can assure you that Duke is not by any means significantly more difficult than anywhere else!!! Once again, ctwickman's comments are totally out of step with what I've heard from the overwhelming majority of Duke students. To be honest, I'm really sick of hearing this stuff...it seems like every few weeks someone posts about how Duke "squeezes two years into one" and how it "sucks" and is "so much tougher," and it's just NOT TRUE. I had lots of free time during first year, and second year is the same as the third year anywhere else. Our third year is much more relaxing and productive too (I'm getting a master's degree), and fourth year is just like it is anywhere else. But don't just take my word for it...ask other Duke students and they'll tell you the same! And it's not that I'm at the top of my class either...I'm your average Duke Med student, and I've gotten by just fine, with plenty of time to have friends, have a life, and even get a second degree during my 3rd year.

Duke very consistently receives extraordinarily positive feedback from interviewees about how nice, friendly and normal its students are. Having interviewed at a dozen or so schools myself, I found this to be true as well. Granted, it's likely that any "not nice" students wouldn't show up in admissions to say hello, so that's why it's important to talk to lots of students, but most importantly ones who actually go to the school, like me! I can only think of a couple students in my class who perhaps aren't genuinely happy at Duke.

Please take those negative comments about Duke with a grain of salt...they're inconsistent with what the overwhelming majority would tell you.
 
I'm lazy right now, I'll admit that straight away. With that said, could someone briefly explain the alpha and beta interviews? I assume one is more scientific/analytical while the other is more personal/service-oriented...
 
DrDarwin said:
I'm lazy right now, I'll admit that straight away. With that said, could someone briefly explain the alpha and beta interviews? I assume one is more scientific/analytical while the other is more personal/service-oriented...

alpha - intellect, academic achievement, research etc.

Beta - personality, extracurriculars, laugh, laugh, joke, joke.


Usually these two will run into each other. A student conducts one. A physician conducts the other. No stress, either way.
 
GuyLaroche said:
alpha - intellect, academic achievement, research etc.

Beta - personality, extracurriculars, laugh, laugh, joke, joke.


Usually these two will run into each other. A student conducts one. A physician conducts the other. No stress, either way.


Does anyone know if the alpha or beta is rated higher than the other? My beta was awesome and my alpha was cool, but not awesome. this waiting is agony!!!
 
LRmed2003 said:
Does anyone know if the alpha or beta is rated higher than the other? My beta was awesome and my alpha was cool, but not awesome. this waiting is agony!!!


They are weighted the same. (Heard this from someone whose acquaintance I made, and who just so happen to be on the adcom. It was a coincidence really. Wink, wink)
 
Tell your acquaintance I'm really cool. Wink, wink. 👍

GuyLaroche said:
They are weighted the same. (Heard this from someone whose acquaintance I made, and who just so happen to be on the adcom. It was a coincidence really. Wink, wink)
 
Do all you Duke students/hopefuls have research? I plan on applying with high MCAT/GPA and some cool EC's but absolutely no research whatsoever, is Duke gonna frown upon the no research?
 
willthatsall said:
Do all you Duke students/hopefuls have research? I plan on applying with high MCAT/GPA and some cool EC's but absolutely no research whatsoever, is Duke gonna frown upon the no research?

Probably. Duke's curriculum has a whole year built into it for research. Such a curriculum would mean that Duke sees research as essential. This is why they'll probably need to see some aptitude for research. On the other hand, many students at Duke go to UNC during that research year for public health. If you explained your interest in public health and Duke's ability to indulge your interest in the field without extending your time in medical school, then you can begin to build a case. Still, you'll have to include some prior commitment to public health or a related field eg. social work.
 
bumpety bump bump bump..

just bumping to page one..how's life evryone?
 
CarleneM said:
i was pleasantly surprised by Duke. I loved the students and the curriculum. I also loved the cheap real estate and that my host and other students all lived in apartment complexes with pools and hot tubs. That being said, it is the South and that would be a big adjustment for me. One of my friends who goes there is starting a safe sex program and can't teach it in schools becuase they only have abstinence only programs. Getting used to stuff like that would take some time since I'm from ultra-liberal Cambridge, ma. Also, the city wasn't exactly bustling. I did get to drive through chapel hill though and that looked more interesting.

Oh and Duke's financial aid rocks. I am really hoping to get in.

I totally understand!!! I grew up near boston and went to school in OHIO!!!!! It was so conservative I moved back this past winter. Im really interested in the Durham area for med school but Im so worried It will be just like Ohio!!! Anyone with any ideas about someone from the north braving it in the south or midwest!
 
eliscord said:
I totally understand!!! I grew up near boston and went to school in OHIO!!!!! It was so conservative I moved back this past winter. Im really interested in the Durham area for med school but Im so worried It will be just like Ohio!!! Anyone with any ideas about someone from the north braving it in the south or midwest!

the triangle really is not that conservative. durham, specifically, is probably the most liberal area of the state. a super blue zone, if you know what i mean. parts of chapel hill/carrboro are similar. honestly, i moved there from new york to work at duke for a year, and the political mentality didn't bother me in the least (obviously i'm a liberal). yes, life in the south in general is a bit different, but i wouldn't let that stop you. it's a great area.
 
eliscord said:
I totally understand!!! I grew up near boston and went to school in OHIO!!!!! It was so conservative I moved back this past winter. Im really interested in the Durham area for med school but Im so worried It will be just like Ohio!!! Anyone with any ideas about someone from the north braving it in the south or midwest!

hey eliscord..

here is my 2 cents.. i loved Duke when I interviewed there.. the way i see it, in terms of social life, it's pretty much at a minimum during med school.. you'll prolly be hanging out with your classmates anyway or studying at the library. i grew up in upstate NY, went to undergrad in atlanta, and now am in boston doing research.. i loved ATL and the Bean isn't too bad either, but i am still excited about the prospect of heading to Durham for med school. i also think that if you really need an influx of metro culture, ATL is only 5 hrs from Durham and if you want to take a mini-vacation to the peach state or to the beach for a weekend...it's not too difficult.

~L
 
..has read my other posts in other threads know i am kind of infatuated with this school...there are tons of fans for yale, harvard, ucla, baylor, vanderbilt, etc...is anyone else out there feeling love for duke?
 
yes, a lot of people

LRmed2003 said:
..has read my other posts in other threads know i am kind of infatuated with this school...there are tons of fans for yale, harvard, ucla, baylor, vanderbilt, etc...is anyone else out there feeling love for duke?
 
please don't start hyping it up though. decisions will be made soon enough, and then you can crap your pants (either way)
 
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